RIP John Paul II

Top Wop · Post by **Top Wop** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:24 pm

According to 5 mins ago, he is finally resting.

dissent · Post by **dissent** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:38 pm

God bless you, Karol Wojtyla!

Top Wop · Post by **Top Wop** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:59 pm

My bad, its a false report by the same agency that reported that he was in coma which wasnt true. >:(

But given the obvious, he will go soon, and I still keep my RIP for him.

Flabby Chick · Post by **Flabby Chick** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:50 pm

I don't think he's popped his clogs yet, but is well on the way. As a leader i thought he was a pretty cool bloke, regardless of what i think of the Catholic faith.

One of those constants that one's had throughout one's life without being directly affected by him, rather like Cliff Richard or Ali.

Avder · Post by **Avder** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:30 pm

As cold as this sounds, in all honesty I wish he just die and get it over with so this "deathwatch" obsession the media currently has can finally go to bed.

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 4:21 pm

Pope Fakes Death for April Fools

CDN_Merlin · Post by **CDN_Merlin** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:20 pm

No web site says he's died. Just in declining health.

Bet51987 · Post by **Bet51987** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:37 pm

I don't believe in God but I feel bad that the Pope is dying. He was a good man that tried to bring peace to the world.

Long live the pope.

Bettina

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:14 pm

Ah, yes -- and preaching against birth control. Etc..

Edit: Just cought up on the news, a lot officials say they expect him to die today -- so he will, if he's ready or not.. RIP.

TheCops · Post by **TheCops** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:50 pm

thanx for the pre-pre-report of the death of pope john paul II that everyone that has any news access on the on the planet is aware of. i was thinking of using google news but i'll take the dbb with it's field reporter top wop.

JMEaT · Post by **JMEaT** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:34 pm

Lothar wrote:Pope Fakes Death for April Fools

Heh!

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:26 pm

Heh, nice find Lothar.

kurupt · Post by **kurupt** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:48 pm

anyone wanna put up a 10 spot that he'll live until at least monday? (last i heard they say he wont make it through the weekend)

Zoop! · Post by **Zoop!** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:02 pm

Im sure he'll make it through to Saturday morning, local time, just to make us suffer from the media.

Ned · Post by **Ned** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 11:33 pm

he was really miffed about Schiavo upstaging him

TigerRaptor · Post by **TigerRaptor** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 12:12 am

Some of these new reports are getting my nerves a little bit. A man is in bed dying, and we got these bozos telling every one they donâ??t believe in god or Iâ??m not part of this religion. Who even cares what they believe in. Idiots.

JMEaT · Post by **JMEaT** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:45 am

Two sides to every coin there, Tiger. And sometimes three or four. In that case it would be a many sided die.

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:17 pm

NOW He's gone.

lucky guy!

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:26 pm

One of the greatest promoters of peace and social justice that the world has ever known has finally been called home. May God keep you in His care, John Paul. We here on Earth are better off for your life. You didn't make "sto lat," but you came close.

Tyranny · Post by **Tyranny** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:18 pm

Anyone else understand what Top Gun just said? I don't speak sheep

Sapphire Wolf · Post by **Sapphire Wolf** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:50 pm

I can't believe he died... how sad...

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 5:25 pm

Posted by a Catholic friend elsewhere:

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It's very fitting, in a way, that the Pope died on the evening before the second Sunday of Easter: as a result, most of the readings and hymns in Catholic churches --and other churches that use the common lectionary, of course-- this weekend would have been focused on the resurrection of Christ and our own hope of the resurrection anyway. I think that makes it little easier to focus on the Pope's death as a source of joy as well as sorrow. The second reading in the lectionary seemed particularly appropriate to me:

"Reading II
1 Pt 1:3-9

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
who in his great mercy gave us a new birth to a living hope
through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading,
kept in heaven for you who by the power of God are safeguarded through faith, to a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the final time.
In this you rejoice, although now for a little while
you may have to suffer through various trials,
so that the genuineness of your faith,
more precious than gold that is perishable even though tested by fire,
may prove to be for praise, glory, and honor
at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Although you have not seen him you love him;
even though you do not see him now yet believe in him,
you rejoice with an indescribable and glorious joy,
as you attain the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls. " (NAB)

Kiran · Post by **Kiran** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:45 pm

I have always like Pope John Paul II, since I was a child. He did great things to bring peace. I am very sad to see him go, but I am happy to know that he is in a better place now.
Rest in peace, Pope John Paul II.

By the way, this thread is for paying respects to a great man. Should there be any criticism, start a different thread. Leave this one alone.

Iceman · Post by **Iceman** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:49 pm

Well he has really kicked the bucket now. RIP JP2

Kiran · Post by **Kiran** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:58 pm

Title: RIP Pope John II
Y'know... someone should just remove this thread. Apparently the replies are no longer concerning the topic, but getting on to each other.

Jeez, can't we all just get along?

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:32 pm

Tyranny wrote:Anyone else understand what Top Gun just said? I don't speak sheep

I am no sheep, at least not in the sense that you mean, and I'm insulted that you would call me so. I believe what I do out of my own free will and reasoning; this is the source of true faith. Having religious faith does not imply lack of intelligence or rational thought; I believe that Lothar and Drakona, among others, have provided more than enough evidence of that here. In a certain sense, however, I'm not insulted by what you say; it's all right for me to be a sheep, so long as I'm following the Good Shepherd.

As for Whuppinboy, you are an absolutely disgusting piece of slime. If I had any power at all to ban you, I would without a moment's thought or regret. If you're too blind or utterly stupid to recognize the accomplishments of a man who did more than anyone else over the past twenty-five years to promote peace and justice for all people, you've forfeit any right to speak here.

This board is utterly ridiculous sometimes. Someone starts a thread about the death of the Pope, and half of the people here start spewing anti-Catholicism and other idiotic statements. Apparently, some members of this board haven't quite yet reached the level of civilized human beings.

Edit: I may have been a bit too harsh, but to me, this feels like losing a close family member. Imagine having one of your grandparents die and then seeing them being maligned; that's what it feels like to me. If you don't have something civil to say, please, just stay out of the thread.

Top Wop · Post by **Top Wop** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 10:08 pm

I dont understand why one or two individuals always have to ruin a whole thread. As usual its only one person who's causing trouble and a ban is therefore in order.

Whippinboy, you are a total ignorant jerk. If you read a page of history you would realize what kind of impact JPII had in Poland in regards to the solidarity movement and therefore the fall of communism. Can we please get back on topic and be a bit more civilized and not thread-crap?

Top Gun: I think Tyranny was reffering to "Sto Lat". Its a common Polish phrase which means "100 years", wishing someone to live at a ripe age of 100. It comes from a chant when said at a person's birthday.

Anyway, im very proud of my Polish background, he has left a significant mark on the world and he was an example of the best of what Poland had to offer with its Catholic history. I only hope that his sucessor will not screw up the church like they did in the 60's.

Tyranny · Post by **Tyranny** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 10:26 pm

No Top Wop, you're wrong. I wasn't refering to anything specific. Based on Top Gun's posts in E&C and this one I poked a little fun at him based on his beliefs.

I swear, an influential man is dead but some of you guys need to lighten up. Sheesh...

MD-2389 · Post by **MD-2389** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 10:31 pm

Offending posts split and moved.

If you can't bother to show a little respect, then STFU and hit the back button. There is absolutely NO need for what was posted in this thread at all. If thats the best you can do, then I suggest you cease posting here and go somewhere else. Whether or not you liked the pope is irrelevant. This is NOT the place to debate anything. For crying out loud! A man of great influence just passed away, and you want to make asses of yourselves? Grow up you cowards.

Now, I'm leaving this thread open for those of you that want to say something constructive or meaningful. I will not tolerate any further threadcrapping. PERIOD.

TigerRaptor · Post by **TigerRaptor** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 11:05 pm

JMEaT wrote:Two sides to every coin there, Tiger. And sometimes three or four. In that case it would be a many sided die.

I'll keep this brief, some of these reports and news reporters did light a fire under me at first. Fine they can believe what ever they want to. But I could care less about someoneâ??s pointless opinions or smartass remarks. Some of it was uncalled for. I was watching for one reason to keep up to date on the John Paul.

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:47 am

MD-2389 wrote:Offending posts split and moved.

Making Top *'s posts both look out of place... heh

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 1:17 am

You're right, Lothar; that's the one negative consequence of using the split function.

Top Wop, I'm well-aware of the meaning of that phrase, considering my family has sung the song at every family birthday since I was born.

Having some Polish blood in me made John Paul's papacy seem all the more special.

Tyranny, I know your intentions were lighthearted, but as I said above, to a lot of people around the world, today was like losing a close member of the family. I never met John Paul II, nor even seen him in person, but there's a very real part of me that feels like I knew him well. He had that effect on a lot of people. My mother still remembers when he visited Philadelphia in 1979; over a million people attended the open-door Mass he held in Logan Circle. No one else alive today has that type of influence; John Paul II was seen in person by more people than any other person in history. He was definitely one of the greatest popes in the 2000-year history of the Church.

Asrale · Post by **Asrale** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 2:38 am

Not that I mean to sound ignorant but what did John Paul II do as man, on this world? If anyone knows how he contributed to anything please let me know; otherwise I can only contribute apathy to the fact of his passing. As a non-Catholic I have no knowledge of what he did that was significant. (Not trying to make any religious implications, just an honest question here.)

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 2:58 am

Do a google search for "Karol Wojtyla" (his birth name).

As I mentioned in a post that got moved (*grumble grumble*):

1) When he was a Cardinal in Poland, he just kept pushing the Soviets to give more religious freedom there (for Catholics and others), and eventually they did. The situation in Poland -- both in terms of religious freedom and economic freedom (which was obtained by other reformers) -- was very important in leading to the fall of the Soviet Union.

2) He spent a lot of his life travelling to whatever country would have him, and he'd speak out against bad governments (sometimes at great risk to himself) and for freedom for people. He was a consistant and strong advocate for the poor and oppressed worldwide. He had no qualms with giving various national leaders an earful, regardless of who they were, when their nation's policy was out of line.

3) He did a lot to contribute to understanding between Protestants, Catholics, and Jews. (I'd consider this both a religious issue and a social issue.)

Overall, he was just a really good leader. I'm not Catholic, but I really respected him.

Sirius · Post by **Sirius** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:39 am

I don't agree with the Catholic doctrine in the least, and I've heard so many bizarre things about John Paul II that I'm not really sure what to think any more.

But I do know he was a very significant man, for more reasons than most people can lay claim to. I don't have a good memory of what he accomplished, but it looks like we have Lothar for that.

Honestly I think his death may have been a little overdue; he seemed painfully unable to do much of anything for the last few years. But that's the way it goes, and for a reason I assume...

It will be interesting to see what happens under the next Pope...

Flabby Chick · Post by **Flabby Chick** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 6:24 am

There're families alive in Israel today as a direct result of the man helping during the holocaust.

[DWL]Punk · Post by **[DWL]Punk** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:24 pm

wow, the internet is just evil crazy now.

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:20 am

A very complete assessment of his Papacy (hat tip: Judith Weiss, Kesher Talk)

Flabby Chick · Post by **Flabby Chick** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:52 am

Kesher is the Hebrew word for "connection". Just a BTW.

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 3:20 pm

I figured it was the name of a Hebrew gathering place... I'd heard it used in that context a couple times.