M$ Sidewinder 3D Pro on USB

Canuck · Post by **Canuck** » Wed May 31, 2006 11:23 pm

OOps thought it was the other way around so I could get USB to work right in D2.

BUBBALOU · Post by **BUBBALOU** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:26 am

Canuck wrote:...so I could get USB to work right in D2.

Use D2x-XL any USB joy works with that.

My question is, Canuck what will you do, they do not have Abend in D2?

Badboy · Post by **Badboy** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:29 pm

nice grendel...see if joystick manufactures just made their stuff right we wouldnt have to return them every 1-2 months. I wish someone made the HAT's and Axis's nice I would pay a little more for a nice robust joysitck.

Ciccio · Post by **Ciccio** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:12 pm

Thanks to Grendel, I shrinked the board (using smd components) and make it to fit into a parallel plastic shield. The adapter works perfectly!!!!
Thanks again Grendel!!! As I promised I'll send you Protel PCB.

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:05 pm

Ciccio, got the email, thanks. Post some pictures

I ran into trouble w/ my color printer, so I'll go ahead and print the manuals in b/w. If anyone wants a color version, please download the manual PDF here.

Ciccio · Post by **Ciccio** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:15 pm

This will be my last and only 3DP adapter... for this reason the circuit has some imperfections...
BTW it works...

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[*] Images recycled.

rrn.Dk · Post by **rrn.Dk** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:54 am

Just stumbled on this forum, after finding my old SideWinder 3d pro from the closet - and not getting it to work in XP (got a gameport, but it keep telling me Not Connected).
Is it possible to get in on any productions ???

BTW: GREAT JOB creating this gadget!

- René

Rajveer · Post by **Rajveer** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 3:54 pm

ooh just found this! looking to use my 3DP for bf2...but ill try it out on descent too!

may i have an order to the UK please?

email address: rajveer_aujla[-at-]hotmail.com incase you need it

p.s. great work grendel, your contribution to the community is excellent, alot of people would have just produced one for themselves, you are a great person!

Mod edit: email obfuscated

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 4:52 pm

Thx. Unfortunately, at this point in time I can only add you to the waiting list. I don't have any more boards and there are no plans to make more, sorry.

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Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:58 pm

I'll be out of town until monday..

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:18 pm

Back and catching up..

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Sligar · Post by **Sligar** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:59 pm

Ok, I think I know the answer already, but tell me, would this work with the logitech cyberman 2?

http://www.3dgamers.com/articles/more/38/

I picked one of these up for cheap, and it would be very cool to get it working with a laptop. It is definately a 'digital' device and not an analog gameport device.

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:05 pm

In this incarnation it will not work w/ the Cyberman 2, sorry. M$ uses the OverDrive protocol, LogiTech uses ADI -- unfortunately they are totally different. OTOH, I do have a Cm2 myself and I may look into an ADI implementation on the 3DP-Vert (if time permits and I want to try something different

.)

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snoopy · Post by **snoopy** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:23 pm

Hehe I'm trying to build one of these things myself and things didn't work on the first iteration. It will end up being more expensive, but hey, I'll get the enjoyment of a project out of it. Thanks Gren for the troubleshooting help and the info to build the thing.

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:57 pm

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Rajveer · Post by **Rajveer** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 3:09 pm

any update? those two people in the list lost their reservation?

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:52 pm

One lost, one not picking up PM (I know he wanted that thing bad, so I'm giving him a bit more time).

I'm trying to contact rrn.gk ATM to get a question answered, I'll give him until the weekend to get back to me. If he won't, you're in

Rajveer · Post by **Rajveer** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:40 pm

cheers grendel! i didnt mean to sound harsh to the other guys...i jus want one really bad!

spence · Post by **spence** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:51 pm

Hey i might be interested in one

btw I was looking around and i found this
http://www.frontx.com/pro/c522_024.html#top

you can buy it here (5th one down)
http://www.frontx.com/store/order_a.html

snoopy · Post by **snoopy** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:01 am

Got mine up and running, thanks to Gren's help. Works beautifully, after many mistakes and much troubleshooting.

Rajveer · Post by **Rajveer** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:23 pm

woohoo does it say one built for me?

if thats not an error lol, let me know how to pay and ill give you my address

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:51 pm

Catching up from a very busy week, I'll contact you guys later..

spence · Post by **spence** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:51 pm

Has anyone tryed this
http://www.frontx.com/pro/c522_024.html#top

JemmyGrove · Post by **JemmyGrove** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:09 pm

I know I'm probably too late to get in the game, but would you put me on the waiting list for one of those adapters?

snoopy · Post by **snoopy** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:03 am

spence wrote:Has anyone tryed this
http://www.frontx.com/pro/c522_024.html#top

I'm not sure what you're suggesting people use this for. If you are looking for a cable adapter to go directly from the 3d pro to the computer, it doesn't exist and never will- the signal has to get converted in the process. The 3d pro uses 8+ wires to transfer information, and the usb only uses 4- so you have to have a chip in the middle that will convert the 3dpro signal into a usb signal. All that cable does is change the pulg type- it doesn't change the signal at all.

spence · Post by **spence** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:14 pm

snoopy wrote:
spence wrote:Has anyone tryed this
http://www.frontx.com/pro/c522_024.html#top
I'm not sure what you're suggesting people use this for. If you are looking for a cable adapter to go directly from the 3d pro to the computer, it doesn't exist and never will- the signal has to get converted in the process. The 3d pro uses 8+ wires to transfer information, and the usb only uses 4- so you have to have a chip in the middle that will convert the 3dpro signal into a usb signal. All that cable does is change the pulg type- it doesn't change the signal at all.

No it just lets you put your chip inside your computer and connect it to a usb header (and not have to go back outside the case with a usb cord)

Bold Deceiver · Post by **Bold Deceiver** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:35 pm

Great contribution to the community Grendel.

I wonder if this thing works ... Opinions?

http://www.usb-port.com/rm203.html

BD

amogan · Post by **amogan** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:16 pm

Hmm I've heard that those don't work very well with the 3D Pro.

Bold Deceiver · Post by **Bold Deceiver** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 6:41 pm

amogan wrote:Hmm I've heard that those don't work very well with the 3D Pro.

Thanks for your reply. I know a lot of pilots like the 3D Pro for the twist, but I lost that twist-capacity years ago and I'm pretty used to it. I've ordered this product and I'll give a report later if I can get it to work.

BD

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 7:13 pm

Sorry for my delay in updates here -- it's a madhouse @ work..

Grendel wrote:Unfortunately a regular gameport to USB converter isn't very usefull -- you loose the 8-way hat (becomes a 4-way hat) and the base buttons.

True for Thrustmaster mode (mode select pos. II) You loose the slider in this mode as well. CH mode (pos. I) is worse, two buttons pressed at the same time will not register.

Bold Deceiver · Post by **Bold Deceiver** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:39 am

Grendel wrote:Sorry for my delay in updates here -- it's a madhouse @ work..

Grendel wrote:Unfortunately a regular gameport to USB converter isn't very useful -- you lose the 8-way hat (becomes a 4-way hat) and the base buttons.
True for Thrustmaster mode (mode select pos. II) You loose the slider in this mode as well. CH mode (pos. I) is worse, two buttons pressed at the same time will not register.

Thanks for the response. I'm unaware whether my hat is operational for 8-way. Sounds like I'm running an inferior operation here, which is entirely possible. We'll see. Fortunately, the item is returnable.

Rajveer · Post by **Rajveer** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:30 am

Grendel wrote:Sorry for my delay in updates here -- it's a madhouse @ work..

no worries

any news on my adapter?

Genison · Post by **Genison** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:32 pm

Please put me on the list for a USB adapter. I just found this forum. If there are no more to be made, no problem. Just thought I'd try.

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:00 pm

Catching up..

Edit: ack, looks like no. 45 got caught in the lid of the case I store them in. I should have taken them home.. Investigating..

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There will be 15 units available, price per unit is $25 (US) + $1 (US) packaging + shipping (~$5 w/in the US).

Units will be made on order, I'll start assembling units and send payment details via PM/email to everyone on the list below in 1st-come-1st-served order as time permits.

So far the following people have reservations:

[43] 1x LunchBox
[44] 1x amogan
[45] 1x
[46] 1x Zombie
[47] 1x Rajveer
[48] 1x Dahlgren
[49] 3x mwr2
[52] 2x Theftbot
[54] 1x Grendel
[55] 3x Do_Checkor (for Checkor, VPN-User & Glen)
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15

[nn] is the serial no., color code is:
** WIP
** unit built
** PM or email sent
** PM not picked up
** waiting for payment clearance
** payment received
** unit shipped
** reservation expired

Waiting list:

1x rrn.dk
1x Cyker
1x JemmyGrove
1x Genison
--

Please let me know if you see any error in the list.

Please read this post for a quick start manual.

palwhatsup · Post by **palwhatsup** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:17 pm

I have been looking everywhere desperately for an gameport-adapter but none on the market seems to work! My joystick will hopefully regain its full functionality again! How can I get one?

weed/hopper · Post by **weed/hopper** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:31 am

Excellent job there Grendel ..... if I may I would like 3 boards @ whatever cost you deem. The D3 community has always had alot to thank you for so Thank You once more

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 6:46 pm

Well, unfortunately there are no boards left and no plans to make more

One option for you would be to try to build the converter on a breadboard (if you have some electronics skills.) Anyone interested in that should send me a PM w/ an email address, I'll then send the shematics, program image etc.

I'm still interested in getting my Cyberman2 and Interceptor up & running so I spent some time looking into that. Since it really can't be done w/ this setup I just ordered a AT90USBKey ($30) to play w/. Most likely I'll port the 3DP-Vert code over to it 1st and then extend it to recognize Wingman devices as well. The AT90USB has enought CPU power to hold the code for autodetecting and dealing w/ any SW or WM device (would be kinda neat.)

I'll keep you posted but this will take some time so don't expect results tomorrow.

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:31 pm

I ported the firmware to use AVR-USB (most excellent project). This makes the firmware a lot easier to read and maintain (written in C w/ a little assembler code vs. 3200 lines of assembler code

) and it's ready for PD release.

The current project archive can be found on this page. Scroll to the very bottom and look for the link labled \"Project archive 2007-01-11\". Future releases will be appended there.

Enjoy!

KoolBear · Post by **KoolBear** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 10:48 pm

BUMP ... (to notify all those receiving notifications of this subject)

Still looking for a an adapter? I am fishing ...
http://descentbb.net/viewtopic.php?p=192956#192956

baloma · Post by **baloma** » Thu May 10, 2007 4:09 am

hi,
i'm new here...
i've been read this forum from days...

may i have your gerber files?
i want to make the PCB, becouse i have 3D pro too and i cannot use it anymore becouse my board doesnt have any game port anymore..

i hope u can help me in that part..
Thanks Alot

Baloma - Indonesia

M$ Sidewinder 3D Pro on USB

3DP cable adapter WORKING!!!

Images of my converter

Re: Images of my converter

I wonder if this thing works ... Opinions?

If there are anymore

I want one too!

3dpro adapter board - yaaaHOOOOO