\"Back when the greats were playing\"....

Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:10 pm

who are these \"greats\" anyways? ;-P

ReadyMan · Post by **ReadyMan** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:33 pm

ack! dont fool yourself, maybe a dozen or less players from 2000 are still playing. Chalk that up to poor lvl selection, and an even smaller pool of skill--which leads to a vortex of boredom as you waste away hours with little or no competition.

Worse yet, team play has all but disappeared, which is what kept many playing long after they were tired of anarchy games.

Ferno, perhaps we should sticky this thread :p

Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:55 am

I know not of any good players from that era that are still playing currently.

The only good players left are the ones in kali, (Warlord, Jediluke, Daz, DJCJR) I would not consider anyone in d3 at their level right now.

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:35 am

most folks on Kali don't play descent anymore. Even fewer D3. Some of us do, but I gave up a couple years back. While I enjoy playing, I'm not that good. Never have been. Got tired of getting MD'd evertime I poked my head around a corner.

MD-2389 · Post by **MD-2389** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:18 am

Stickied per request, though in the future you shouldn't put quote marks in the subject as the entire thing gets stripped out when you go to edit the post.

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 12:58 pm

Isn't this the oldest thread on the DBB? If it is stickied then we won't be able to bump it every 2 years...

ReadyMan · Post by **ReadyMan** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:20 pm

7 years ago I had the habit of using quotes in my subject lines, but I've since seen the error of my ways.

Hopefully 2 years from now we'll be discussing the current greats of Core Decision! I think we'll see a great influx of Descent talent playing CD as soon as a playable demo is out...if CD is good, the multiplayer arena should be insanely good.

RM

KoolBear · Post by **KoolBear** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 2:37 pm

What a beaqutiful thread, to see so many old skoolers here! This is a good thread to tell all you old farts about the Pyro-GX models that maybe for sale soon!

http://descentbb.net/viewtopic.php?t=12239

Ok shoot me for spamming this thread but this is something that will warm your hearts for more Descent!

KB

Sirius · Post by **Sirius** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:37 pm

Behemoth - another thing that kind of intrigues me - has said level of competition among D1/2 players on Kali improved or declined in recent years? It isn't very easy for me to judge, considering I never played against any of them much back at the height of IDL and the like, but someone might have a better answer.

Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:32 pm

Sirius wrote:Behemoth - another thing that kind of intrigues me - has said level of competition among D1/2 players on Kali improved or declined in recent years? It isn't very easy for me to judge, considering I never played against any of them much back at the height of IDL and the like, but someone might have a better answer.

I wouldn't really say any better or worse considering 95% of the kali players today have been playing since the beginning.

What i meant to say was there is still some players that will take anyone to town.

KoolBear · Post by **KoolBear** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:37 pm

Behemoth wrote:snip...
What i meant to say was there is still some players that will take anyone to town.

I need a ride please! I can always take the subway! ;P

Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:56 pm

Subway's are for rats

KoolBear · Post by **KoolBear** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:03 pm

I became a tunnel rat right after D1 multiplyer hooked me. These big open levels remind me of flight similators. The mine walls were good for collateral damage on your opponent an art forgotten these days I am afriad.

Yes indeed and ol'skooler I be!

ReadyMan · Post by **ReadyMan** » Wed May 16, 2007 11:05 pm

will CD have a form of fusion?
I think the use of fusion and the MD are what
separated the truly \"great\" players.

Hopefully CD will have something similar.

RM

Sirius · Post by **Sirius** » Wed May 16, 2007 11:22 pm

Eh... the MD didn't really require that much skill, being a point-and-shoot weapon... truth be told in D3 the Fusion didn't either (they are staple for a reason). In D1 the guys who were awesome with the Fusion did have to be pretty good to get shots to land at all; however that's really just a side-effect of all the other things you have to learn to do that, rather than making you good by itself.

However, Fusion is also kind of a signature of Descent, and knowing the angle the CD devs are taking I think it's safe to bet CD will have something similar. I have no idea whether it'll have anything like MD, but then you didn't ask that question.

CajunAce · Post by **CajunAce** » Sat May 26, 2007 8:43 am

Hi all,

I'm still around occasionally. Lately, I've been playing D2 single-player on my old Win-95 machine with a Voodoo 2 card. Haven't tried Kali in a while. Is anyone playing D2 there these days? I always liked getting a good coop game going (on Insane, of course!)

CajunAce

Aus-RED-5 · Post by **Aus-RED-5** » Sat May 26, 2007 8:51 am

CajunAce wrote:Haven't tried Kali in a while. Is anyone playing D2 there these days?

Almost everyday.

Just ask in chat and surely someone will play.

KoolBear · Post by **KoolBear** » Sat May 26, 2007 10:03 am

CajunAce wrote:Hi all,

I'm still around occasionally. ....

CajunAce

OMG! The original Ask Ace! Hey bro how have you been? Still keeping an eye on the weather?

I've shared a few emails with olPFunk lately too!

Darn nice to see you Chris!

KB

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Sat May 26, 2007 2:41 pm

Cajun, get back on kali, you old git!

I haven't played D2 co-op in.. forever. and the last game was with you.

Karash · Post by **Karash** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 4:30 pm

Good to see some old friends in this thread...even if it is 7 years old

KoolBear · Post by **KoolBear** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 4:41 pm

Karash, it's damn good to see you too, I was playing some SRP a few weeks ago. What a blast!

KB

Karash · Post by **Karash** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 4:56 pm

I still lurk around from time to time...definately miss the game.

Sup · Post by **Sup** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 11:52 pm

Karash wrote:I still lurk around from time to time...definately miss the game.

Cool, so do I

Good times! Miss the Pyro show too dude

.

Sup · Post by **Sup** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:40 am

Tyranny wrote:1. Thundercat is NOT Xciter.

2. Thundercat is NOT Tomcatt.

Don't know how this slipped by, sorry I missed it 3 years ago but ..

Thundercat is definitely Xciter and vice versa

I know, they were both r/l friends of mine at the time

Kyle knows. I don't know why people are so easily fooled

.

Strife · Post by **Strife** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:23 pm

Behemoth wrote:
Sirius wrote:Behemoth - another thing that kind of intrigues me - has said level of competition among D1/2 players on Kali improved or declined in recent years? It isn't very easy for me to judge, considering I never played against any of them much back at the height of IDL and the like, but someone might have a better answer.
I wouldn't really say any better or worse considering 95% of the kali players today have been playing since the beginning.

What i meant to say was there is still some players that will take anyone to town.

The skill level in Kali has gone down IMO. When "The Greats" Were playing... the people you listed as being the best now would be getting beat horribly... I've been there first hand to see it. Even me barely playing anymore at all hold my own against most of the people in Kali these days. That would not be the case circa '97/'98. Before d3 even came out... Alot of the good people left even came out due to health issues or other circumstances.

Strife · Post by **Strife** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:27 pm

* left before d3 came out. It was more of a mind game back in the day. I don't play enough d3 to say anything about it... I will start though.

Sirius · Post by **Sirius** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 7:56 am

Well... D3 can probably support that, but the sorts of games I've seen around aren't very conducive to a mental component.

Strife · Post by **Strife** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:15 am

Exactly... I used to love(and hate) Being stalked by someone across a level... Then them cutting me off at a pass or just straight up hearing an afternburner for a second as a smart missle landing directly in front of me... Stupid ass Vlider... Those where the fun days...

Sllik · Post by **Sllik** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:36 am

As I've said before - Descenters never die, they just moth into new challenges. ;p

We're all still around, even if we go off and do other things from time to time. This community will always be a home for me like no other. It's kinda like Cheers. It's always good to return to a place where everybody knows your name.

Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:40 am

Strife wrote:
Behemoth wrote:
Sirius wrote:Behemoth - another thing that kind of intrigues me - has said level of competition among D1/2 players on Kali improved or declined in recent years? It isn't very easy for me to judge, considering I never played against any of them much back at the height of IDL and the like, but someone might have a better answer.
I wouldn't really say any better or worse considering 95% of the kali players today have been playing since the beginning.

What i meant to say was there is still some players that will take anyone to town.

The skill level in Kali has gone down IMO. When "The Greats" Were playing... the people you listed as being the best now would be getting beat horribly... I've been there first hand to see it. Even me barely playing anymore at all hold my own against most of the people in Kali these days. That would not be the case circa '97/'98. Before d3 even came out... Alot of the good people left even came out due to health issues or other circumstances.

I would agree with you on that note, But i was meerly comparing the general d1 skill level vs d3 level, Most of the d3 players playing now have not been playing long.
The majority of the people playing d1 on kali have been playing for quite some time, Correct?

Strife · Post by **Strife** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:07 pm

Behemoth wrote:
Strife wrote:
Behemoth wrote:
Sirius wrote:Behemoth - another thing that kind of intrigues me - has said level of competition among D1/2 players on Kali improved or declined in recent years? It isn't very easy for me to judge, considering I never played against any of them much back at the height of IDL and the like, but someone might have a better answer.
I wouldn't really say any better or worse considering 95% of the kali players today have been playing since the beginning.

What i meant to say was there is still some players that will take anyone to town.

The skill level in Kali has gone down IMO. When "The Greats" Were playing... the people you listed as being the best now would be getting beat horribly... I've been there first hand to see it. Even me barely playing anymore at all hold my own against most of the people in Kali these days. That would not be the case circa '97/'98. Before d3 even came out... Alot of the good people left even came out due to health issues or other circumstances.
I would agree with you on that note, But i was meerly comparing the general d1 skill level vs d3 level, Most of the d3 players playing now have not been playing long.
The majority of the people playing d1 on kali have been playing for quite some time, Correct?

Yeah the people left have been playing for a while... But even the people that have been playing a while and are still in Kali are sub-par minus maybe 2 players... who aren't nearly as good as they were during descents prime... I really miss the good old clan wars back in the day... people getting heated because some punk would run their mouth... ENOUGH CLAN MEMBERS FROM BOTH TEAMS on at all times were the war would happen right then and there... and for the Record.... DMC was the best clan

ReadyMan · Post by **ReadyMan** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:27 pm

and for the Record.... DMC was the best clan

Bah! That's what BoTS said before the ANTs decimated them.

ReadyMan · Post by **ReadyMan** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:29 pm

..and from July 2006 we have this beauty:

Xamindar wrote:So, who's gonna bump it in 2008 when we are all playing Core Decision?

HEH!

Money! · Post by **Money!** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 11:41 pm

Foil wrote:There aren't as many cheaters around as I thought there were when I first got into multiplayer about a year and a half ago. I was a complete multiplayer n00b, so I had quite a few "They must be hacking! Nobody can be that good!" moments. Since then, I've found that in most cases, those players were really just that skilled/experienced.

QFT! I have had the same experience

Behemoth wrote:
aaronb wrote:
Foil wrote:There aren't as many cheaters around as I thought there were when I first got into multiplayer about a year and a half ago. I was a complete multiplayer n00b, so I had quite a few "They must be hacking! Nobody can be that good!" moments. Since then, I've found that in most cases, those players were really just that skilled/experienced.
Getting accused of cheating is one of the greatest compliments ever.
Actually, It can be quite annoying and usually makes players not want to play.

And QFT again. Getting called a cheater once is nice. But if you're like behemoth and Zero! and others who are nagged in every game, it can be quite discouraging.

Nice thread btw guys.

Spaceboy · Post by **Spaceboy** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:38 pm

Money! wrote:
Foil wrote:There aren't as many cheaters around as I thought there were when I first got into multiplayer about a year and a half ago. I was a complete multiplayer n00b, so I had quite a few "They must be hacking! Nobody can be that good!" moments. Since then, I've found that in most cases, those players were really just that skilled/experienced.
QFT! I have had the same experience

Behemoth wrote:
aaronb wrote:
Foil wrote:There aren't as many cheaters around as I thought there were when I first got into multiplayer about a year and a half ago. I was a complete multiplayer n00b, so I had quite a few "They must be hacking! Nobody can be that good!" moments. Since then, I've found that in most cases, those players were really just that skilled/experienced.
Getting accused of cheating is one of the greatest compliments ever.
Actually, It can be quite annoying and usually makes players not want to play.
And QFT again. Getting called a cheater once is nice. But if you're like behemoth and Zero! and others who are nagged in every game, it can be quite discouraging.

Nice thread btw guys.

Or being banned from popular servers.

Descent has really dwindled down. Before I had taken a break for a few years, 'teams' were almost completely dissipated.

I've never played on kali - though I haven't successfully gotten D2 or D1 to run on any of my computers, for ages.
Do the kali players ever come in Descent3, or is it somewhat a different community?

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:20 pm

Djcjr1 · Post by **Djcjr1** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:30 pm

Strife wrote:
Behemoth wrote:
Sirius wrote:Behemoth - another thing that kind of intrigues me - has said level of competition among D1/2 players on Kali improved or declined in recent years? It isn't very easy for me to judge, considering I never played against any of them much back at the height of IDL and the like, but someone might have a better answer.
I wouldn't really say any better or worse considering 95% of the kali players today have been playing since the beginning.

What i meant to say was there is still some players that will take anyone to town.

The skill level in Kali has gone down IMO. When "The Greats" Were playing... the people you listed as being the best now would be getting beat horribly... I've been there first hand to see it. Even me barely playing anymore at all hold my own against most of the people in Kali these days. That would not be the case circa '97/'98. Before d3 even came out... Alot of the good people left even came out due to health issues or other circumstances.

Aye, I'd say the average skill level has gone down. This has been mulled over time and time again by the "greats" of the past and the newer crop that rose over the past 5-6 years. You can make a case for either side.

Even though I was around during Descent 1 and 2's prime (97-99), I hardly ever played any 1 on 1 games against the people who were believed to be the best of those days. If I did play against them, it was usually in a minerva3 game with 7 other people. Back then, I just played to have fun. Oddly enough, after playing a bunch of IDL matches or competitive 1 on 1s over the past few years, I've gone back to the way I was when I first started; playing to have fun.

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:22 pm

I'd say it is the good players of today are still good, just there are a lot fewer of them. Sure I have played against players in the past who were nothing short of monsters and some of them I don't think have ever been topped. But that isn't to say that all of the players today are bad.

Since I have dropped into a few games this weekend and seen a bit of the population I'd say the average skill level has dropped a couple notches, perhaps just because fewer players are out there. The most notable change from the past is the ratio of players I have seen that are for lack of a better word: horrible. In the past you would see a pilot that just couldn't fly at all from time to time, but never as many as I have seen in just a couple games. There are also a lot of players that rarely use sliding or chording, sometimes they don't use any at all. Its like they are trying to play this game like it is any garden variety ground pounder and not even trying to learn or do anything new.

There are also a bunch of players that seem to be easily thrown off by slight changes in weapons, stupid old tricks, or are abysmally weak if they don't have one of the big primaries.

It just seems there are a lot of players that seem like it is really easy to twist their arms once you know their main gimmick which is usually worn right on their shoulder.

Money! · Post by **Money!** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:01 pm

A little over a week ago, I was considering the fact that this thread hadn't been updated in a year... and was wondering when the next time would be for someone to bump it.

1v1 me sometime krom, teach me your ways.

BUBBALOU · Post by **BUBBALOU** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:22 am

Too much Burning Indika, Veins, Skybox, Adend and Subway Dancer - they are soft. They do not have any tricks or the level, where to chuck, where to cherry pick, is there a MD or Fusion in this level, and why cant they find any 4Packs to boat.... so they run around aimlessly lost and in tears

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