Firefox 3!!!!!!!

Strife · Post by **Strife** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:26 am

Its dope! Get it!

http://www.spreadfirefox.com/

Break guiness book of records.. They are trying to get most downloads in one day starting 11 PST!!!

d3jake · Post by **d3jake** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:23 am

Yes.... wasn't that yesterday?

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:15 pm

Yep, it was yesterday.

And it was comical how instantly mozilla.com and related sites went kaput. Literally one minute they were working fine and the next you would be lucky to even get a HTTP1.1 Service Unavailable error from them.

Cuda68 · Post by **Cuda68** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:35 pm

Firefox 3 downloads hit 7m despite server FAIL

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/18 ... _3_record/

JMEaT · Post by **JMEaT** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:10 pm

Downloaded. Installed and played with it. Then uninstalled.

Sergeant Thorne · Post by **Sergeant Thorne** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:26 pm

Really? Just not a Firefox fan?

(I use v2)

[]V[]essenjah · Post by **[]V[]essenjah** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:42 am

I love Firefox. Safer to use than IE any day, doesn't crash and have all the extra bloat that comes with nutscrape. Opera is ok but just not there yet.

What's new in V3?

JMEaT · Post by **JMEaT** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:03 am

Sergeant Thorne wrote:Really? Just not a Firefox fan?

(I use v2)

Yeah, I've tried to use FF a number of times over IE. It just never really grew on me I guess.

It is a very nice browser though.

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:28 am

JMEaT wrote:
Sergeant Thorne wrote:Really? Just not a Firefox fan?

(I use v2)
Yeah, I've tried to use FF a number of times over IE. It just never really grew on me I guess.

It is a very nice browser though.

Try it with the adblockplus add-on using the easylist USA + element blocker next time.

Spooky · Post by **Spooky** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:34 am

fliptw · Post by **fliptw** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:56 am

9x and NT I think.

it should still work on 2000.

[]V[]essenjah · Post by **[]V[]essenjah** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:21 pm

Hmmmm.... not happy about the fact that you are forced to install Google toolbar or Yahoo toolbar.... also not happy that it has an annoying pop-up under your toolbar when it asks you if you want to save your password. I wonder if there is a way to just disable it from saving passwords at all. I don't like to save that information in my browser... PERIOD.

JMEaT · Post by **JMEaT** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:41 pm

[]V[]essenjah wrote:Hmmmm.... not happy about the fact that you are forced to install Google toolbar or Yahoo toolbar.... also not happy that it has an annoying pop-up under your toolbar when it asks you if you want to save your password. I wonder if there is a way to just disable it from saving passwords at all. I don't like to save that information in my browser... PERIOD.

If you chose the Advanced (or custom or whatever) install you have the option to uncheck those.

heftig · Post by **heftig** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:05 pm

[]V[]essenjah wrote:Hmmmm.... not happy about the fact that you are forced to install Google toolbar or Yahoo toolbar.... also not happy that it has an annoying pop-up under your toolbar when it asks you if you want to save your password. I wonder if there is a way to just disable it from saving passwords at all. I don't like to save that information in my browser... PERIOD.

You can disable password saving: Tools --> Options --> Security

Forced to install Google or Yahoo toolbar? They ship that with the installer? I didn't notice anything like that.

Cuda68 · Post by **Cuda68** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:37 pm

If I remember right, during the install you have the options to install them and the default is set to install them. You have to do the manual or advanced install to skip those.

heftig · Post by **heftig** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:53 pm

The installer doesn't give me these options.

Cuda68 · Post by **Cuda68** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:44 pm

Guess I remember wrong

Happens when you get old fat and toothless

d3jake · Post by **d3jake** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:48 pm

If you have a toolbar installed I think it can infect any browser that you use. The FF3 installer didn't remember seeing any of that when installed. I picked the \"Advanced\" install I think it was and it didn't say anything about a toolbar.

Kyouryuu · Post by **Kyouryuu** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:34 pm

It's a lot faster than the decrepit 2.x series, which is more than enough reason for me get it.

Honestly, switching between Hammer Editor and Firefox was a freakin' chore.

Jeff250 · Post by **Jeff250** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:59 am

[]V[]essenjah wrote:Hmmmm.... not happy about the fact that you are forced to install Google toolbar or Yahoo toolbar.... also not happy that it has an annoying pop-up under your toolbar when it asks you if you want to save your password. I wonder if there is a way to just disable it from saving passwords at all. I don't like to save that information in my browser... PERIOD.

This is so much better though than the traditional way of popping up a dialog asking you if you want to remember the password before the form submits. With this new way, you can actually see if you've entered the correct password before committing the browser to remembering it! Brilliant!

Testiculese · Post by **Testiculese** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:24 am

FF3's rendering isd a bit strange...it loads the whole page in 18pt Times New Roman, standard blue/purble links, and only afterwards applies the CSS. Wierd. I only really noticed it on this site and .com. Other sites not so much. Maybe beause they are more graphically oriented...

Renderer is a bit faster. I lost only one extension. It prompted and upgraded my Adblock and flashblock nicely. The tabs are a lot cleaner than before. The <- -> buttons are slick, I like (ie: will steal) the idea.

I haven't tested the memory leak yet, I don't have it installed at home yet. Anyone leave the browser open overnight? How much memory did it use?

Sirius · Post by **Sirius** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:16 pm

It already does seem to be a bit lighter in usage from FF2... haven't had it break 100 MB memory yet, whereas I'd eventually get 200 in its predecessor. Which dragged things down quite a lot.

Not sure whether my usage patterns have been sufficient to replicate that though. Eventually I might work it out...

[]V[]essenjah · Post by **[]V[]essenjah** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:18 pm

Jeff250 wrote:
[]V[]essenjah wrote:Hmmmm.... not happy about the fact that you are forced to install Google toolbar or Yahoo toolbar.... also not happy that it has an annoying pop-up under your toolbar when it asks you if you want to save your password. I wonder if there is a way to just disable it from saving passwords at all. I don't like to save that information in my browser... PERIOD.
This is so much better though than the traditional way of popping up a dialog asking you if you want to remember the password before the form submits. With this new way, you can actually see if you've entered the correct password before committing the browser to remembering it! Brilliant!

Yeah.... however, you shouldn't be storing your passwords in ANY browser EVER. At least if you like your identity.

Jeff250 · Post by **Jeff250** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:51 pm

Or else!

Sirius · Post by **Sirius** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:24 am

I store my passwords. I don't care what others say, especially since if someone somehow broke into my house and read the passwords off my computer to, like ... spoof me on this bulletin board, it's not really going to matter anyway. The breaking into my house bit is what I'd be worried about.

[]V[]essenjah · Post by **[]V[]essenjah** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:08 am

I would be more concerned about malware or a backdoor program of some sort, allowing someone to gain access to wherever Firefox stores your passwords.

Then again... if you had a problem.... you might want to be concerned about key-loggers more than that. I don't need Firefox to store my password, my brain takes care of that for me.

If you buy anything on-line, you might be more concerned about someone getting into your account information to purchase anything they want on your bill.

There are some really nice hacking tools out there for cracking passwords on a windows machine.

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:15 am

Physical access to the machine = compromised security, and that will never change no matter what you do.

Top Wop · Post by **Top Wop** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:00 am

I cant even get FF3 to EXECUTE on my machine. It installs, but the moment I double click the process it disappears.

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:12 am

Top Wop wrote:I cant even get FF3 to EXECUTE on my machine. It installs, but the moment I double click the process it disappears.

Uninstall (2.x too if you still have it), delete all related folders and settings (search C:\\ for any folder named "firefox" or "mozilla" including hidden and system folders), reboot, reinstall.

Jeff250 · Post by **Jeff250** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:26 pm

[]V[]essenjah wrote:There are some really nice hacking tools out there for cracking passwords on a windows machine.

What does this have to do with me?

But this is due to known weaknesses in the Windows LM password hash. Windows versions prior to Vista have been, by default, storing these hashes for backwards compatibility purposes, even though everyone has known for quite a while that they suck hard. You may want to look into disabling LM hashing if you are concerned about this.

But your Windows password is moot if someone has physical access to your machine anyways. They would have to crack your Firefox master password to get your passwords that Firefox remembers. I assume that Firefox, unlike Windows, uses cryptographically secure hashing.

[]V[]essenjah · Post by **[]V[]essenjah** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:45 pm

I didn't mention anything about physical access now did I?

fliptw · Post by **fliptw** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:54 pm

[]V[]essenjah wrote:I didn't mention anything about physical access now did I?

doesn't matter. You not forgetting your password doesn't prevent anyone with physical access from getting your data. Its actually a pretty open hole people never think about, physical security.

TechPro · Post by **TechPro** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:44 pm

Sirius wrote:It already does seem to be a bit lighter in usage from FF2... haven't had it break 100 MB memory yet, whereas I'd eventually get 200 in its predecessor. Which dragged things down quite a lot.

Not sure whether my usage patterns have been sufficient to replicate that though. Eventually I might work it out...

So far for me (yes, I did finally install it) ... the "memory leak" isn't as bad, though I've gotten it up to 190mb and still slowly climbing (but very, very slowly) ... I also don't blame FireFox for that, but blame the various media components (Flash, Shockwave, etc.) because it's only with those items in use that I'm seeing anything like a "memory leak" with it.

As for anything like a Google or Yahoo toolbar being packaged with it ... no such thing, at least not from where I downloaded it (http://www.mozilla.com, why anywhere else?).

Overall the UI seems smoother and more polished while being a little trimmer (less screen space required). Not quite used to the address bar yet (though it is certainly more informative) and I miss the the style of the previous versions downloads window. Oh well. Does seem to be faster overall.

EDIT: Oh, lest I should forget ... Check the system requirements. Works on Windows 2000 and newer. Installed perfectly on all my 2000 systems along with my XP Home and XP Pro systems. In a few days I'll have it installed on a Vista system (but I really don't want to).

Dakatsu · Post by **Dakatsu** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:03 am

Well, I have officially shifted to Firefox! I absolutely love it, and holy crap it even has SPELLCHECK!

I also love FoxyTunes! WEEEE!!!!!!! Music signature!!!
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Now playing: The Offspring - Come Out Swinging
via FoxyTunes

[]V[]essenjah · Post by **[]V[]essenjah** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:18 am

fliptw wrote:
[]V[]essenjah wrote:I didn't mention anything about physical access now did I?
doesn't matter. You not forgetting your password doesn't prevent anyone with physical access from getting your data. Its actually a pretty open hole people never think about, physical security.

Dude... your missing my point. I don't know how you missed it, but you did. I'm not talking about physical access. I'm talking about spyware/malware. Physical access is a different situation. That is why you buy a home security system and lock up your PC. Point is, it makes it a whole lot easier to store your passwords in the easiest place to look, particularly for malicious, automated, programs. I would rather try to track down someone who hacked my machine with physical access (since it narrows down the suspects) than I would, trying to locate the person across the globe.

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:01 am

Spyware and malware is one of the reasons we use Firefox. Even though nobody working for mozilla would like the concept, I would prefer it if Firefox remained at less than 20% market share and the market stays dominated entirely by IE. As long as IE draws in most of the malware attention it is good for Firefox users like us.

Also being cautious with your browsing habits, keeping up to date on OS security patches, and scanning for malware once or twice a month is sufficient to keep a system totally clean. No antivirus scanner is going to protect your computer from you, and not having Firefox remember your passwords does not equal safety from malware/identity theft. If you are careless, your security WILL be compromised weather your computer asks for your password once a year, or once a minute.

Cuda68 · Post by **Cuda68** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:06 am

Krom wrote:Spyware and malware is one of the reasons we use Firefox. Even though nobody working for mozilla would like the concept, I would prefer it if Firefox remained at less than 20% market share and the market stays dominated entirely by IE. As long as IE draws in most of the malware attention it is good for Firefox users like us.

Also being cautious with your browsing habits, keeping up to date on OS security patches, and scanning for malware once or twice a month is sufficient to keep a system totally clean. No antivirus scanner is going to protect your computer from you, and not having Firefox remember your passwords does not equal safety from malware/identity theft. If you are careless, your security WILL be compromised weather your computer asks for your password once a year, or once a minute.

Yup and Linux helps also

Jeff250 · Post by **Jeff250** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:55 pm

[]V[]essenjah wrote:That is why you buy a home security system and lock up your PC. Point is, it makes it a whole lot easier to store your passwords in the easiest place to look, particularly for malicious, automated, programs. I would rather try to track down someone who hacked my machine with physical access (since it narrows down the suspects) than I would, trying to locate the person across the globe.

If you have malicious spyware on your computer, then you are SOL anyways. Manually typing in passwords will be keylogged. At least unencrypting stored passwords will take on the order of a few decades to crack.

[]V[]essenjah · Post by **[]V[]essenjah** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:25 pm

Yep, I mentioned that in a previous post too. I constantly run antispyware/antivirus programs, even though I never find anything other than spyware. However, I specialize in PC cleanup and restoring lost data at work.

I'm aware of keyloggers, thus why I mentioned it. It is still a lot safer to do everything you can to prevent identity theft.

I may be a bit of an extremist in that sense but I'm also a paranoid perfectionist.

Sirius · Post by **Sirius** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:10 pm

I don't store my bank passwords anywhere, actually, not even on a piece of paper. But forum accounts, which I have at least a dozen of... suffice it to say I don't think it's worth the effort trying to remember that many passwords. The world isn't going to end if someone breaks into those anyway.

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