Evolution (@ inevitably the origin of life and the universe)

Spaceboy · Post by **Spaceboy** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:09 pm

How is it possible people still think evolution is 100% false?

I thought it was a small amount of people that thought that, so I dismissed it; there's actually serious debate going on about it!

This is baffling to me.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:12 pm

You might want to read these threads:
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viewtopic.php?t=11969&view=next&sid=9ba ... f03823b8c4
viewtopic.php?t=8617&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

There's a lot of threads here on this subject. Lots of long ones with people's opinions.

Spaceboy · Post by **Spaceboy** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:22 pm

Oh.
I used the search bar but I only got a random topic on the first page.

Thanks.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:24 pm

It's cool. I'm not trying to imply that you shouldn't make a thread about this.

Anyway... My work here is done *flys away*

dissent · Post by **dissent** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:34 pm

Hey, there's also a Flat Earth Society. So why not.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:37 pm

Now you're just trying to pick a fight.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:11 pm

I think it's a lot like the global warming debate, most people agree it happens but the cause is in dispute....

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:12 pm

I think a belief system is a survival trait in this cruel world. And atheists like me only exist because we live such comfortable lives. But if I were whipped daily to move stones up a mountain I bet I would believe in something. Otherwise wouldn't I just go nuts? Especially if I could claim all of my pain was in the service of my god. Or better yet if I knew that being so poor and ill treated meant I had a guaranteed place in heaven.

And isn't it funny how so many people need religion? If it's an instinct, only humans have it.

Gooberman · Post by **Gooberman** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:54 pm

dissent wrote:Hey, there's also a Flat Earth Society. So why not.

I see your flat earth people, and raise you one Stop The Spin of the Earth people.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:54 pm

Isaac wrote:Now you're just trying to pick a fight.

Pot meet kettle

dissent · Post by **dissent** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 5:35 pm

Gooberman wrote:
dissent wrote:Hey, there's also a Flat Earth Society. So why not.
I see your flat earth people, and raise you one Stop The Spin of the Earth people.

ROFLMAO !!

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 5:48 pm

dissent wrote:
Gooberman wrote:
dissent wrote:Hey, there's also a Flat Earth Society. So why not.
I see your flat earth people, and raise you one Stop The Spin of the Earth people.
ROFLMAO !!

Best post ever.

AlphaDoG · Post by **AlphaDoG** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:20 pm

Isaac wrote:
dissent wrote:
Gooberman wrote:
dissent wrote:Hey, there's also a Flat Earth Society. So why not.
I see your flat earth people, and raise you one Stop The Spin of the Earth people.
ROFLMAO !!
Best post ever.

Yea the ROFLMAO!! did it for me

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:22 pm

NO I quoted dissent to imply I was agreeing with him, that the original post was good. ... never mind...

Foil · Post by **Foil** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:28 am

All I have to say is that Spaceboy's and dissent's avatars are too similar. I keep reading one and thinking it's the other.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:47 am

actually they are ancestors. DBB history tells us that Spaceboy came from the Oceans of space and after many years EVOLVED into what has become dissent. with that being said I personally believe that Spaceboy was created. I mean how could Spaceboy just appear out of no where

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:21 am

oh come on Cuda, \"Spaceboy\"?? duh? He's an alien. (either that or he was uplifted.)

dissent · Post by **dissent** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:58 am

CUDA wrote:actually they are ancestors. DBB history tells us that Spaceboy came from the Oceans of space and after many years EVOLVED into what has become dissent. with that being said I personally believe that Spaceboy was created. I mean how could Spaceboy just appear out of no where

I dissent from this opinion (naturally

)

besides, my avatar pwns.

Spaceboy · Post by **Spaceboy** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 1:15 pm

Foil wrote:All I have to say is that Spaceboy's and dissent's avatars are too similar. I keep reading one and thinking it's the other.

Ahh! You're right.

*Changes later today*

CUDA wrote:actually they are ancestors. DBB history tells us that Spaceboy came from the Oceans of space and after many years EVOLVED into what has become dissent. with that being said I personally believe that Spaceboy was created. I mean how could Spaceboy just appear out of no where

Ah, but the origin of my existence doesn't have anything to do with whether I evolved into dissent or not.

Stroodles · Post by **Stroodles** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:23 pm

Well then...thanks Foil, I now have a clearer outlook on life.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:30 pm

Stroodles wrote:Well then...thanks Foil, I now have a clearer outlook on life.

You've been foiled

Stroodles · Post by **Stroodles** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:32 pm

Isaac wrote:
Stroodles wrote:Well then...thanks Foil, I now have a clearer outlook on life.
You've been foiled

Oh Drat.

thwart · Post by **thwart** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 4:57 pm

One of the reasons evolution is such a hot debated topic is because it is not science. It is a religious belief. I made that point in another forum which is strangely blocked by this site?? Real science doesn't require faith (i.e. "believe" in evolution). Science is proven by experimentation not by random daydreams.

Spaceboy wrote:How is it possible people still think evolution is 100% false?

This is baffling to me.

I imagine the reason why you are so puzzled there is another viewpoint is that you only hear one side of the debate. The government only allows atheistic beliefs to be taught in their schools and most of the "science" tv shows only show this religion also. There is another reason why it is such a heated topic: Many people believe, as I do, that the government is promoting one religion over another by teaching evolution only and to add insult to injury, force people to pay for it through taxes. A big no-no in the first amendment. This is why they must keep pretending it is science.

For anyone with an open mind there is an excellent DVD on this subject that is humorous too.

Burlyman · Post by **Burlyman** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 5:02 pm

heh

\"Evolution\" just got pwned.

Spaceboy · Post by **Spaceboy** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 5:07 pm

thwart wrote:One of the reasons evolution is such a hot debated topic is because it is not science. It is a religious belief. I made that point in another forum which is strangely blocked by this site?? Real science doesn't require faith (i.e. "believe" in evolution). Science is proven by experimentation not by random daydreams.

People somewhat misuse the term "believe" when they are talking about evolution.

That does not mean evolution is a religion;
there is a fundamental difference between religion and evolution which is the fact that evolution has plenty of evidence.

The word 'believe' is then used because the question becomes whether or not the evidence is convincing enough.

If you aren't convinced by the evidence towards evolution, you are either extremely skeptical or very biased against it.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 5:10 pm

But don’t you know the “theory” of evolution, evolved into “fact” years ago.

I stole that from a cartoon posted over on .com

Spaceboy · Post by **Spaceboy** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 5:13 pm

Burlyman wrote:heh

"Evolution" just got pwned.

It didn't, but I believe the word you're looking for is thwarted.

Spidey wrote: But don’t you know the “theory” of evolution, evolved into “fact” years ago.

I stole that from a cartoon posted over on .com

It isn't fact, there is just an overwhelming amount of evidence for its case.

Burlyman · Post by **Burlyman** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:07 pm

It didn't, but I believe the word you're looking for is thwarted.

lol

...Oh, you mean like the \"evidence\" of all the 'missing links?' haha

But don’t you know the “theory” of evolution, evolved into “fact” years ago.

Indeed. =P When I started elementary school, evolution was still a theory. After I got to high school, it became \"fact.\" heh

Spaceboy · Post by **Spaceboy** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:23 pm

Burlyman wrote: ...Oh, you mean like the "evidence" of all the 'missing links?' haha

Now it's clear you haven't taken evolution seriously.
It doesn't have to be missing links connecting species to today, we can see many different examples in the fossil record.

However, the real evidence is in genetics. It is far more compelling than the fossil record. If you're going to take evolution seriously then look it up.

Also, explain to me why bacteria is becoming more resistant to antibiotics without any concepts of evolution.

Tell me your reasoning for not being convinced by evolution.

So far the only argument I've heard against evolution is "It can't possibly be!"
which is pure disbelief. Disbelief does not disprove something.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:29 pm

Spaceboy wrote:Also, explain to me why bacteria is becoming more resistant to antibiotics without any concepts of evolution.

The last time I tried to explain that, I got sidetracked by having to prove I knew the difference between extrapolation & interpolation.

thwart · Post by **thwart** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:36 pm

Spaceboy wrote: Also, explain to me why bacteria is becoming more resistant to antibiotics without any concepts of evolution.

Bacteria evolved into....bacteria???? That is evolution?

No one's children look exactly like them or have the same immune system as their parents. That is not evolution.

Spaceboy wrote: Tell me your reasoning for not being convinced by evolution.

So far the only argument I've heard against evolution is "It can't possibly be!"
which is pure disbelief. Disbelief does not disprove something.

This is exactly what I am talking about. You haven't heard the other side just as I said. There is no evidence for evolution. It is all presumed to have happened. Buy the DVD. It will be the best $10 you ever spent. A real eye (or brain) opener.

Spaceboy · Post by **Spaceboy** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:55 pm

thwart wrote: Bacteria evolved into....bacteria???? That is evolution? No one's children look exactly like them or have the same immune system as their parents. That is not evolution.

-.-

A trait that was once very rare in bacteria is now dominant throughout bacteria. Survival of the fittest, that's what evolution is.

This is exactly what I am talking about. You haven't heard the other side just as I said. There is no evidence for evolution. It is all presumed to have happened. Buy the DVD. It will be the best $10 you ever spent. A real eye (or brain) opener.

It is a model that fits with a high degree of accuracy with what we see in the world.

We can see it happening on a smaller scale, definitely in bacteria.

Another example:
Say you have 200 roaches. You spray them with roach killer, so 95% of them die. The remaining 10 reproduce so there are 200 roaches again.

This time when you spray them, only 15% of them die.

The roach killer resistance traits were chosen over other traits. Thousands - Millions of traits make up living creatures. No one trait is exempt from being eliminated.

Logically, this is definitely possible.

How could you see this as not possible?

SuperSheep · Post by **SuperSheep** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:35 pm

Why do we (as humans) always look for a single explanation to everything. I think it's perfectly acceptable that evolution is a part of what happens, but that does not eliminate a creator from the mix, nor does having a creator eliminate evolution.

Bet51987 · Post by **Bet51987** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:37 pm

SuperSheep · Post by **SuperSheep** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:45 pm

Bet51987 wrote:Dang, I have a lot to say about modern biology and evolution but every time I try to post it a photo of a priest shaking his finger at me keeps popping up.

I give up trying to post it here.

Bee

And yet you posted here, and from the sounds of it, believe in evolution. Who cares what other people think? Post your thoughts. Would only add to the evolution of this topic.

Spaceboy · Post by **Spaceboy** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:53 pm

SuperSheep wrote:Why do we (as humans) always look for a single explanation to everything. I think it's perfectly acceptable that evolution is a part of what happens, but that does not eliminate a creator from the mix, nor does having a creator eliminate evolution.

Ah, but the origin of my existence doesn't have anything to do with whether I evolved into dissent or not

The debate generally turns into religion vs evolution because it is usually religious people vs. not so religious people.

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:56 pm

That's not surprising. Darwin was an atheist.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:08 pm

I think it's amazing that we evolved into humans so fast and recent. And maybe an interdimensional being with admin rights influenced it. But evolution happened. Ha ha.

VonVulcan · Post by **VonVulcan** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:30 pm

One does not rule out the other.

Foil · Post by **Foil** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 8:19 am

FYI for everyone in this thread, there is a whole spectrum of viewpoints on origins. It's not just \"Atheist Evolutionists vs. Religious Creationists\".

There are some atheists who see a relatively young intentionally-designed universe. There are many religious folk (including myself) who see the current cosmological and biological models as a reflection of God's infinite creativity.

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Back to the original topic, before this blows up into another \"origins debate\" thread:

Spaceboy, the debate over all aspects of this topic are still strong. Stick around long enough, you'll find that most threads on the topic start well, but eventually dissolve into scattered thoughts and lengthy rants.

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