Caught green handed...

Sniper · Post by **Sniper** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:19 pm

So my friend sent me this link:

I was wondering what all of your opinions are on it. I know everyone has their own point of view. Go...

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:43 pm

I've known about this very thing for a couple of weeks now. It's got me concerned. I've been praying a lot.

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:57 am

No taxes without representation!

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:13 pm

A new world order won't care about old cliches.

...\"old cliche\"... is that redundant?

Sniper · Post by **Sniper** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:53 pm

I'm surprised that this video hasn't gotten more attention. So am I to assume that what these guys are saying in this video is all true? Certainly someone must have a counter-opinion to all this.

Nightshade · Post by **Nightshade** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:15 pm

Alex Jones is a well known alarmist. Yes, a number of things governments are doing are scary but they aren't as bad as he puts them out to be.

Pandora · Post by **Pandora** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:15 pm

didn't watch it because I really dislike these news via youtube and because it is Lord Monckton --- he's somewhat of a nutter, known for faking his admission to the british house of lords, etc.

If you could give me a summary of what he is claiming?

Sniper · Post by **Sniper** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:23 pm

The claim is that this new treaty in Copenhagen is disguised as a \"save the earth\" treaty but in reality it's a \"give the UN ultimate power and control\" leading to the UN becoming the next world power and government in one way or another.

Sniper · Post by **Sniper** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:24 pm

ThunderBunny wrote:Alex Jones is a well known alarmist.

I think he's a part of a group that firmly believes that "9/11" was an inside govt. job too.

Pandora · Post by **Pandora** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:30 pm

Sniper wrote:The claim is that this new treaty in Copenhagen is disguised as a "save the earth" treaty but in reality it's a "give the UN ultimate power and control" leading to the UN becoming the next world power and government in one way or another.

told you he was a nutter

Sniper · Post by **Sniper** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:42 pm

Pandora wrote:
Sniper wrote:The claim is that this new treaty in Copenhagen is disguised as a "save the earth" treaty but in reality it's a "give the UN ultimate power and control" leading to the UN becoming the next world power and government in one way or another.
told you he was a nutter

Ok, it does sound absurd, but you have to admit that just because something sounds bizarre doesn't make it untrue, right? There has to be better reason for people not to believe in this other than because he's a nutter, right?

Pandora · Post by **Pandora** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:46 pm

For something this absurd, I'd like to see some *very* convincing evidence. And if it comes from someone who has been caught lying several times already, and who might have - in my humble psychologigist's opinion - a personality disorder, I am very, very skeptical. Is there any evidence to back that up?

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:48 pm

So some nutcase said that “climate change” is a power grab…so have a gazillion other people…who are not nuts.

(including me)

Sniper · Post by **Sniper** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:57 pm

Pandora wrote:For something this absurd, I'd like to see some *very* convincing evidence. And if it comes from someone who has been caught lying several times already, and who might have - in my humble psychologigist's opinion - a personality disorder, I am very, very skeptical. Is there any evidence to back that up?

No no, you're right on. I'm looking for convincing evidence, either way, myself. I was hoping someone here had already went down this path and could've provided some. Ok, back to the data mining

Pandora · Post by **Pandora** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 5:08 pm

Spidey, there is a difference between what you say and what Lord Monckton says. Its a sad fact of politics that somebody will try to make a power grip out of any problem, crisis, whatever. But using Copenhagen to establish one world government, come on, I don't think you would say that.

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 5:58 pm

June copy - Rev 1 (PDF) I have no idea what rev they are on now.

UNFCCC (PDF)

AlphaDoG · Post by **AlphaDoG** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:02 pm

Duper wrote:UNFCCCP (DF)

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:38 pm

?
sorry Alpha. I don't get it. I was saying that it's a PDF file and not a site. I assume you are making a pun but I don't know the ref.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:47 pm

AlphaDoG wrote:
Duper wrote:UNFCCCP (DF)

x2

Pandora · Post by **Pandora** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:55 pm

I think he means the CCCP in there

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 4:45 pm

er.. no.

UNFCCC = United Nations Convention on Climate Change.

wait. oh.. Duh!

Ok.. little slow today.

SilverFJ · Post by **SilverFJ** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 1:36 pm

Told you so.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 3:19 pm

cccp = soviet russia.

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:12 pm

yeah. I know.

It just took a while as it had been years since I'd seen it.

...told us what?

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:42 pm

Creating fear is how people are manipulated. This apropos little statement by none other than Carl Rove, applies equally to any and all fear mongering you hear out in the world, no matter who's spouting the words:

\"Tell a lie long enough and loud enough and it becomes the truth\"

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:51 pm

I think Hitler said something along those lines.

iirc, (on the techinical side of that) it takes about 21 repetitions before a person is programed. (+/- depending on the individual)

Sniper · Post by **Sniper** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:55 pm

tunnelcat wrote:"Tell a lie long enough and loud enough and it becomes the truth"

A perceived truth told long enough was not necessarily a lie.

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:34 pm

tunnelcat wrote:This apropos little statement by none other than Carl Rove...

"Tell a lie long enough and loud enough and it becomes the truth"

As far as I can tell, Karl Rove didn't say that. It looks like someone took a Hitler quote, slightly modified it, and attributed it to Karl Rove. Which ever so perfectly illustrates the principle -- someone lied to you about the source of the quote, and you believed it.

Corollary: fact-check and you'll make it harder for people to make lies into truth.

Gooberman · Post by **Gooberman** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:44 am

Lothar wrote:
tunnelcat wrote:This apropos little statement by none other than Carl Rove...

"Tell a lie long enough and loud enough and it becomes the truth"
As far as I can tell, Karl Rove didn't say that. It looks like someone took a Hitler quote, slightly modified it, and attributed it to Karl Rove. Which ever so perfectly illustrates the principle -- someone lied to you about the source of the quote, and you believed it.

Corollary: fact-check and you'll make it harder for people to make lies into truth.

Looks like your mixing your Hitler and your Stalin.

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:41 am

Gooberman wrote:
Lothar wrote:
tunnelcat wrote:This apropos little statement by none other than Carl Rove...

"Tell a lie long enough and loud enough and it becomes the truth"
As far as I can tell, Karl Rove didn't say that. It looks like someone took a Hitler quote, slightly modified it, and attributed it to Karl Rove. Which ever so perfectly illustrates the principle -- someone lied to you about the source of the quote, and you believed it.

Corollary: fact-check and you'll make it harder for people to make lies into truth.

Looks like your mixing your Hitler and your Stalin.

HEYYY!!!

YOU got Chocolate in my Peanut butter!

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:51 pm

Gooberman wrote:Looks like your mixing your Hitler and your Stalin. :)

Actually it looks even more interesting than that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie

Hitler spoke of it in Mein Kampf, but not in those words. Goebbels, too, said something similar. But it was actually a US intelligence assessment of Hitler that seems to be closest:

people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it

The line never seems to appear in conjunction with Stalin, at least as far as I can tell.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:27 pm

You guys are right. I've seen references to Hitler, Joseph Goebbels and Karl Rove concerning this statement, so it's got murky origins. Funny how things get lost in history. Sorry about that. But it seems to be an appropriate statement when it concerns a general population and government, political or corporate propaganda methods used to sway people's opinions.

Gooberman · Post by **Gooberman** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:36 pm

Lothar wrote:
Gooberman wrote:Looks like your mixing your Hitler and your Stalin.
Actually it looks even more interesting than that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie

Hitler spoke of it in Mein Kampf, but not in those words. Goebbels, too, said something similar. But it was actually a US intelligence assessment of Hitler that seems to be closest:

people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it
The line never seems to appear in conjunction with Stalin, at least as far as I can tell.

Ah, I thought you were continuing the Joke. Most often I have seen it attributed to Vladimir Lenin, "A lie told often enough becomes the truth", but with that quote, any name is fitting.

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