Ironman vs Batman

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:09 pm

There's no way Batman has a chance.

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:28 pm

If Batman has any time to plan for it then Iron Man is completely screwed.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:40 pm

Let's just say we give each a week for prep and instruct both to meet in an area on a specific date. No way would Batman win. He'd have to build massive amounts of tech he's never thought of making before. Maybe Batman could outsource some weaponry from a different weapon developer, but nothing will compare to the Ironman suit.

So yeah, if ONLY Batman knew of the fight he'd sneak into Stark's house and zip-tie Stark's wrist to his ankle, winning. That's not really Batman VS Ironman, is it?

Avder · Post by **Avder** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 2:11 pm

Batman easily.

Batman keeps himself in the peak of physical conditioning, knows tons of martial arts, and has tons of toys in that belt of his.

Ironman is fast and very strong, but at the cost of dexterity. Also there is no way in hell Stark is in the same condition Batman is in, nor does he have the marital prowess to match Batman.

Granted, Ironman lands one half decent blow and Batman is done, but Batman just isn't going to get hit.

Oh, and if Batman has any advanced warning of the fight, AT ALL, there wont even be a contest.

Foil · Post by **Foil** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 2:18 pm

Avder wrote:...marital prowess...

I thought they were both habitual bachelors.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 2:33 pm

You forget, Avder, that Batman is really only good at fighting enemies weaker than himself. His gear only sometimes works against stronger enemies, like Bane, who almost killed Batman in the comic. Imagine Bane with greater intelligence (far greater), greater speed, and the ability to fly.

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 2:33 pm

With a week of planning, Batman will so EMP blast Iron Man into the stone age. Martial arts and all that jazz wouldn't even matter, Batman would just turn Iron Man into a human sized paperweight. Even if Tony Stark got out of the suit to continue the fight Batman would just bag him with a net and drop him off at the judge's doorstep.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 2:38 pm

A an EMP is massive and a small one might not even work against the suit. And has Batman ever used one against his enemies? He might not be able to build one. Oh, has an EMP ever worked on Ironman?

edit:
in another forum I found that Ironman was hit by an EMP by the "female Hawkeye" (from MASH?) and it only took a few second for Ironman to recover.

edit edit:
http://fans.marvel.com/go/thread/view/1 ... TO_IRONMAN

a true nerd wrote:As he said in the issue right before Bucky took over the role of Captain America, "You think that by this stage of my career I don't know how to deal with an EMP?", or something to that effect. Basically, he's been at this for years, now, so EMP's aren't anything new to him, and he's well prepared for them. Either he builds suits that are hardened against EMP's, or the suit temporarily shuts off just as the EMP is about to go off, and then reactivates right after in order to avoid damage.

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 3:00 pm

EMPs aren't magical or anything, its just a fluctuating magnetic field that induces voltage within metals. An EMP doesn't have to be nuclear bomb sized big in order to be effective, as long as you get an electromagnetic pulse powerful enough to induce damaging voltages on the target it will burn the circuits.

Nuclear EMP blasts work because they actually warp the Earth's magnetic field, causing it to fluctuate which induces voltages in any metals within the disturbed area of the field. A nuclear EMP blast centered over North America would burn out the power grid and most electronics within several hundred miles in a somewhat U shaped pattern.

However any magnetic field that fluctuates will induce voltage over any conductive material, a fixed magnet waved over a nail will induce voltage into the nail. Electric generators are nothing more than a bunch of magnets that get waved by a bunch of coils.

It is possible to partially shield against an EMP, however shutting down the suit won't do any good because the magnetic field will still induce current into all the components. The only way to harden something against an EMP would be to construct it entirely out of superconductors that naturally reject magnetic fields, but even that has limits. A sufficiently powerful magnetic field will still penetrate even a superconductor and will still induce voltage that could burn the components. Basically short of using magic, it is impossible to completely protect something from a sufficiently powerful EMP.

Batman could beat Superman, and Superman could crush Iron Man with his eyelid, its no contest.

TigerRaptor · Post by **TigerRaptor** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 3:04 pm

Its a amazing how serious this thread got just now.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 3:08 pm

Ugh... and I can't fix my grammar errors in my last post because I can't submit my edits!!!

Ok, so you're saying even though Ironman can beat an EMP in the comic that idea should be thrown out because it's not possible in our realm. You realize what his suit runs on, right? How possible is that? Using THEIR comic rules, which they have to abide by since Stark and Wayne can do thing we can't in our world, it's not possible for Batman to win.

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 3:19 pm

So basically what you are saying is that Iron Man would have to pick a different universe with different laws of physics in order to be able to beat Batman. I think we can agree on that.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 3:20 pm

...and to add to my last post, since editing is an issue at the moment...

An Ironman beats an EMP in the comic world.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 3:21 pm

Krom wrote:So basically what you are saying is that Iron Man would have to pick a different universe with different laws of physics in order to be able to beat Batman. I think we can agree on that.

Hahha @ tap dancing.

I'm saying their "laws of physics" are not ours, and thus we can only use our world as a reference when their "history" provides no examples. We have EMPs in Ironman.

Money! · Post by **Money!** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 3:32 pm

The terrain would matter too. If it was just a big, well-lit open area then Batman would have a harder time. But if it was at night, and there were a bunch of shadows and tall obstacles..

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:07 pm

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BatmanGambit

VonVulcan · Post by **VonVulcan** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:35 pm

Krom wrote:Batman could beat Superman, and Superman could crush Iron Man with his eyelid, its no contest.

No way can Batman beat Superman! Not buyin it.

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:57 pm

VonVulcan wrote:No way can Batman beat Superman! Not buyin it.

No it makes perfect sense when you realize that Batman's super power is "Crazy Prepared", with a week of planning Batman would find and weaponize a supply of Kryptonite (actually according to the comics he keeps some on his belt at all times "just in case") and when Superman showed up he would promptly get owned after having his powers disabled.

Seriously just read the Comics examples from: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... zyPrepared

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:59 pm

Anyone can beat Superman…all you need is Kryptonite.

Krom beat me to it...

Heretic · Post by **Heretic** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 7:03 pm

Krom wrote:
VonVulcan wrote:No way can Batman beat Superman! Not buyin it.
No it makes perfect sense when you realize that Batman's super power is "Crazy Prepared", with a week of planning Batman would find and weaponize a supply of Kryptonite (actually according to the comics he keeps some on his belt at all times "just in case") and when Superman showed up he would promptly get owned after having his powers disabled.

Seriously just read the Comics examples from: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... zyPrepared

Superman gave him the Kryptonite.

http://www.helium.com/items/578309-Char ... rformances

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:46 pm

Krom wrote:http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BatmanGambit

Ok... If the battle took place in a Batman comic, Batman will win. Of course, the same would happen the other way around were the story happening in an Iron Man comic; Iron Man would win.

Taking the two and putting them in the same place means joining the two worlds, including their fighting strategies, from top to bottom; in and out; 大&小!

Both are planners! However, Stark does plan for countering through technology. And Stark is brilliant at this and normally beats the stronger enemy as a result.

How does this compare to the Batman Gambit, linked in your article?

They negate each other! We have a perfect upgrade counter strategy verses a perfect battle counter strategy. Each party is able to predict and research the other to the fullest extent and can brilliantly predict the others actions. Strategy, their most important asset, is equal on both sides of the equation. Clearly, Iron Man's side carries the balance.

VonVulcan · Post by **VonVulcan** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:32 pm

Oh crap, it burns! I concede.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:36 pm

VonVulcan wrote:Oh crap, it burns! I concede.

If it's my tense shifting in my last post, sorry. I dare not try to edit that post... it won't submit.

Avder · Post by **Avder** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:01 pm

Isaac wrote:
Krom wrote:http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BatmanGambit
Ok... If the battle took place in a Batman comic, Batman will win. Of course, the same would happen the other way around were the story happening in an Iron Man comic; Iron Man would win.

Taking the two and putting them in the same place means joining the two worlds, including their fighting strategies, from top to bottom; in and out; 大&小!

Both are planners! However, Stark does plan for countering through technology. And Stark is brilliant at this and normally beats the stronger enemy as a result.

How does this compare to the Batman Gambit, linked in your article?

They negate each other! We have a perfect upgrade counter strategy verses a perfect battle counter strategy. Each party is able to predict and research the other to the fullest extent and can brilliantly predict the others actions. Strategy, their most important asset, is equal on both sides of the equation. Clearly, Iron Man's side carries the balance.

This assumes of course that Stark can figure out several things about Batman. Namely: his real identity, and vulnerabilities he has, and his entire stockpile of secret assets.

Not gonna happen.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:18 am

Chuck Norris trumps all.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:42 am

Avider, you forget, Iron Man would not be one of Batman's regular villeins. It's because of Iron Man's intelligence he's powerful. Batman and Iron Man, according to each of their comics, would be able to research, spy, and predict each other almost completely, or at least evenly; they both can make terrible mistakes.

Alter-Fox · Post by **Alter-Fox** » Wed Nov 10, 2010 9:52 am

Krom wrote:...(actually according to the comics he keeps some [kryptonite] on his belt at all times "just in case")...

What the... I thought these comics were in separate universes.

Neo · Post by **Neo** » Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:59 pm

woodchip wrote:Ip Man trumps all.

fixed? ^_~

TOR_LordRaven · Post by **TOR_LordRaven** » Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:30 pm

Easy! Stark Technologies is a Public Company. Wayne Enterprises starts a Hostile takeover and Stark becomes subsidiary of Wayne Enterprises. Thus, Bruce owns Tony. Bruce owns the Suit.

Plus, they are both Good guys. So they wouldn't fight anyway.

Heretic · Post by **Heretic** » Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:32 pm

Batman would just deploy a Bat Virus from the Bat Computer transmitted through his Bat Cowl Ears to infect Ironman's suit disabling it.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:37 pm

TOR_LordRaven wrote:Easy! Stark Technologies is a Public Company. Wayne Enterprises starts a Hostile takeover and Stark becomes subsidiary of Wayne Enterprises. Thus, Bruce owns Tony. Bruce owns the Suit.

Plus, they are both Good guys. So they wouldn't fight anyway.

One of the comics had Tony lead a hostile take over to reclaim his company... so Bruce would have to buy shares from Tony? Not possible.

Heretic · Post by **Heretic** » Wed Nov 10, 2010 4:12 pm

Alter-Fox wrote:
Krom wrote:...(actually according to the comics he keeps some [kryptonite] on his belt at all times "just in case")...
What the... I thought these comics were in separate universes.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Wed Nov 10, 2010 4:16 pm

One puts on a mask while the other takes one off... Yet the mask, for one, is his true face, while the other's is not.

AlphaDoG · Post by **AlphaDoG** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:43 am

While Batman and Ironman are getting jiggy with it, Spiderman would seal the deal and web those two morons together. Marvel beats DC yet AGAIN!

TechPro · Post by **TechPro** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:48 am

So ... What is it with male 'Superheros' that they tend to be bachelors?

Batman = Bachelor (and often has young 'wards')

Iron Man (Tony Stark) = Bachelor, because of a lack of morals, Narcissism, and a bit crazy

Superman = Bachelor, maybe not by choice

and the list goes on ....

You could say it's because having a spouse or significant other puts the other person in danger (true in Tony Stark's case), or you might say that introduces a 'weakness' in their environment ... but I just don't but it.

These guys are all just a bit 'nuts' mostly because they just don't have someone to share their lives with.

null0010 · Post by **null0010** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:52 am

TechPro wrote:These guys are all just a bit 'nuts' mostly because they just don't have someone to share their lives with.

That's actually a significant part of Wayne's and Stark's stories.

Heretic · Post by **Heretic** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 3:29 pm

TechPro wrote:Superman = Bachelor,

Clark Kent Married Lois Lane

As Clark Kent, Superman lives among humans as a "mild-mannered reporter" for the Metropolis newspaper Daily Planet (Daily Star in the earliest stories). There he works alongside reporter Lois Lane, with whom he is romantically linked. This relationship has been consummated by marriage on numerous occasions across various media, and this union is now firmly established within mainstream comics' continuity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman

Neo · Post by **Neo** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:23 pm

TechNoob wrote:So ... What is it with male 'superheroes' that they tend to be bachelors?

AlphaDoG wrote:While Batman and Ironman are getting jiggy with it, Spider-Man would seal the deal and web those two morons together. Marvel beats DC yet AGAIN!

Fixed.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:06 pm

Spider-man is married to a super model…

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:55 pm

I think it's somewhat relevant to ask, did anybody else think the second Iorn Man Movie was better than the first? I did, but I'm like the only one.

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