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But the question is, if the father had done the same thing on camera, would he have been charged with child abuse?
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That's ridiculous and you should be ashamed of yourself.vision wrote:She should also be charged with child abuse. She is a bad parent.
discipline is abuse now?vision wrote:She should also be charged with child abuse. She is a bad parent.
Amen to that!Spidey wrote:"Father".....lol
No, hit your children. I was never hit as a child and look how I turned out.vision wrote:She should also be charged with child abuse. She is a bad parent.
In the context of that climate you cite I'm sure not going to shy away from pointing the spotlight at the biggest player profiting from his role that perpetuates and exploits those who suffer most from those conditions.callmeslick wrote:in the face of the climate on the streets of Baltimore right now, it WAS heroic, Will. Context, context, context. Speaking of which, is there any context that you encounter when you don't feel the need to whip out that big ole Obama-hate-on?
Abuse. Sometimes teenaged males NEED a little healthy slapping around just to keep them in line. I don't think she even left a mark on his covered face. All she was doing was slapping him around and asserting her authority, since he has no father present to do it fo her. How else is a mother going to discipline a teenaged male child? Obviously yelling at him ain't going to cut it since she'd already told him to NOT go to the riots (said in a later interview). IMHO, she should be given a medal for even giving a damn.Ferno wrote:discipline is abuse now?vision wrote:She should also be charged with child abuse. She is a bad parent.
LOL.
Yes, because smacking your teenaged son upside the head once or twice in order to prevent him from doing something that could easily get him arrested/killed is totally "assault."vision wrote:Cool. Now assault is considered good parenting. You guys are all ★■◆●ing idiots. You wonder why the world looks this way? Wars? Violence? You celebrate it. Enjoy your world where "good parenting" involves swinging your arms and hitting your children.
Yes, please let's have "more mothers like her." Morons.
I'm sorry, but context matters. The kid was throwing bricks at cops and trying to get his riot on! For all I know she could be the worlds worst parent off camera, but what that video captured was not bad parenting.vision wrote:Cool. Now assault is considered good parenting. You guys are all **** idiots. You wonder why the world looks this way? Wars? Violence? You celebrate it. Enjoy your world where "good parenting" involves swinging your arms and hitting your children.
Yes, please let's have "more mothers like her." Morons.
The only thing you know about child abuse is what you read from a book. As far as I'm concerned; you have zero right to judge that parent on anything.vision wrote:Cool. Now assault is considered good parenting. You guys are all ★■◆●ing idiots. You wonder why the world looks this way? Wars? Violence? You celebrate it. Enjoy your world where "good parenting" involves swinging your arms and hitting your children.
Yes, please let's have "more mothers like her." Morons.
Was it really extraordinary (I'm assuming the "out-of-the-norm" definition is meant here), or is it just gaining attention because it happened to be caught on film?"That what she did was extraordinary is a sign of the terrible mess we created."
Absolutely.Foil wrote: Are we getting a sensationalism-skewed perspective?
you know that for a fact? Like I say, she was covered near to death down in the Chesapeake region when I was down this week, and zero mention of the fathers at all, let alone 6 different fathers.woodchip wrote:Trying to find out who the father is may be a little hard. The mother has six children...by six different fathers. I do applaud her actions in this case though.
as has the rate of white ones, except the white ones have jumped up at 5 times the rate of increase.Will Robinson wrote:The rate of unwed black mothers from that time to now has jumped a couple hundred percent.
yeah, they do. And, for far too long, black lives come cheaply both within and outside the community.'Black lives matter'?
and you describe a viscious cycle. You see, Will, a good deal of WHY those kids end up being fatherless is that in some cities in the US, black males under the age of 35 are incarcerated at close to 15 times the rate of young white men. Leading to more generations of broken, dysfunctional households, on and on. There is NO reason beyond prejudicial application of justice for that difference.Will Robinson wrote:slick, I'm not sure if you are missing it on purpose, simply looking for a stat to try and hide the elephant in the room behind...., or you are genuinely missing it.
First, our culture is changing for the worse with regard to the family unit. So, yes, the white unwed mother rate is also up.
There is a tipping point, since peers do have an impact on the development children. Neighborhoods have an impact. Etc. etc.
And in the black child's neighborhood...among his peers...he is 3 out of 4 times fatherless. Obviously then so are his peers. That is a very large vacuum in shaping of the sub-culture that shapes his future. How many times among a group of friends about to do something stupid does one of them think about the lesson his father taught him and stop the group from going forward...
Amen to all of that but good luck getting the people in power to approach it without strings attached to their scruples.Vander wrote:End the drug war. Change the culture that incentivizes lawlessness, adversarial relationships with authority, and militarized policing.
It's failed policy, and a significant contributor to the unrest we currently see.
right with you here, Will(and Vander). Way too much money is being made throughout the criminal justice system by too many influential people. That will make for a really tough battle.Will Robinson wrote:Amen to all of that but good luck getting the people in power to approach it without strings attached to their scruples.Vander wrote:End the drug war. Change the culture that incentivizes lawlessness, adversarial relationships with authority, and militarized policing.
It's failed policy, and a significant contributor to the unrest we currently see.
I'm certainly not arguing that it is. I'm just saying that we're seeiing a complex dynamic that still includes the after affects of 300 years of abuse heaped upon a group of people. Just as bigotry is not removed from a society in any way other than gradually, so too the effects of centuries of victimization.Let me clarify my perspective a bit to head off the predictable mischaracterization of it by others.
Yes historically black people have suffered injustice and it has been a long slow fight to where we are now.
Does that create conditions that contribute to higher levels of dysfunction and poverty? Of course it does/did.
However, the current dynamic at work isn't just residual bigotry.
can't disagree with this statement at all. That exploitation comes at them from all sides, and frankly is to be expected from human nature. They are the most easily exploitable segment of the populace, thus easy marks. That is where government has a role to play in protection, although you'd perhaps disagree.The victims of the residue of past and lingering bigotry are also victims of exploitation.
That's funny. I was responding to you having said exactly that!callmeslick wrote:I'm certainly not arguing that it is. I'm just saying that we're seeiing a complex dynamic that still includes the after affects of 300 years of abuse heaped upon a group of people. Just as bigotry is not removed from a society in any way other than gradually, so too the effects of centuries of victimization.Will Robinson wrote:...Let me clarify my perspective a bit to head off the predictable mischaracterization of it by others.
Yes historically black people have suffered injustice and it has been a long slow fight to where we are now.
Does that create conditions that contribute to higher levels of dysfunction and poverty? Of course it does/did.
However, the current dynamic at work isn't just residual bigotry.
You said "There is NO reason beyond...."callmeslick wrote:... You see, Will, a good deal of WHY those kids end up being fatherless is that in some cities in the US, black males under the age of 35 are incarcerated at close to 15 times the rate of young white men. Leading to more generations of broken, dysfunctional households, on and on. There is NO reason beyond prejudicial application of justice for that difference.
Great, but don't ever say this is "good parenting." This is barely a notch above shitty parenting. Violent, emotional, and uncivilized. Calling this sort of ★■◆● good is lowering the bar much too far for society.Vander wrote:IThis ladies violent actions could very well have prevented further and greater violent actions.
I suggest you look elsewhere for reasons that 70% of black moms are single. Try a welfare system that would not pay ADc unless there was no father/husband in the home. Thanks to the Democrats there is now a self replicating system of keeping black children fatherless, poverty as a given and a segment of voters more securely chained to the plantation than ever before.callmeslick wrote:
and you describe a viscious cycle. You see, Will, a good deal of WHY those kids end up being fatherless is that in some cities in the US, black males under the age of 35 are incarcerated at close to 15 times the rate of young white men. Leading to more generations of broken, dysfunctional households, on and on. There is NO reason beyond prejudicial application of justice for that difference.
hmmm, how come my daughter got welfare bennies for 3 months, with husband in household?woodchip wrote:I suggest you look elsewhere for reasons that 70% of black moms are single. Try a welfare system that would not pay ADc unless there was no father/husband in the home. Thanks to the Democrats there is now a self replicating system of keeping black children fatherless, poverty as a given and a segment of voters more securely chained to the plantation than ever before.
My mother would read this and laugh. My sister would, too. (she's a parent now.)vision wrote:Great, but don't ever say this is "good parenting." This is barely a notch above shitty parenting. Violent, emotional, and uncivilized. Calling this sort of ★■◆● good is lowering the bar much too far for society.Vander wrote:IThis ladies violent actions could very well have prevented further and greater violent actions.
Great analogy if you only want to be as civilized as a bear.tunnelcat wrote:vision, even mother animals will sometimes cuff their cubs when they become unruly.
Great advice, if you want to be restricted to a world where morality is defined by physical pain. Lake of Fire anyone? How's that biblical morality working out for us?MD-1118 wrote:Vision, you do realise that punishment only works if it hurts, right? The original latin word that led to 'punishment' means 'pain'. Pretty telling, I think.
My friend already has. He is a single dad, a black male from DC who is raising a beautiful, polite, well-mannered seven year old daughter. He's never laid a violent hand on her. Not even once. He, of course, wasn't so lucky. His dad beat the ★■◆● out of him until he was a grown man. My friend was able to break a cycle of violence passed down from generations. Can you be that strong? I know I can.MD-1118 wrote:If you find a sure-fire way to punish someone without inflicting actual pain or discomfort on them, let me know, because you'll have been the first to discover it and will probably win a Nobel or something.