Day of Silence

[Tunnelcat]

No, Agnosticism. I'm not so blind as to see that life on Earth is too complex to be formed by random chance, so I still believe in a higher power. I'm just skeptical of the writings of men and the distinct lack of actual speech from God. I personally think he needs to come down to Earth and set things straight for our sordid lot.

The Bible was written by men and even translated by men that didn't speak the original langauage it was written in, so how do we know the origianl intent? Things always get lost in translation. The only thing I may consider to be written by God is the Ten Comandments, and even that has no proof of being created by God other than the word of Moses, who I do believe existed, by the way. I also believe Jesus existed and was an exemplary man, posssibly even the Son of God. But, I also consider the Bible a good historical treatise and a source of faith to others, but not to me.

By the way Duper, have you ever read the Gospel of St. Thomas? It's very different from the rest of the Bible and is considered heresy by the Catholic Church. So is it true or false, fact or fiction?

What ticks me off is when Christians or Muslims or some other religion tries to pound their thoughts out as fact to others that don't want it. I have my beliefs and you have yours, that's as it should be in a free society.

[Behemoth]

According to the bible God dwells within those who accept his Spirit of truth.
That being said, those of you who are arguing against the biblical message and those who are presenting it are arguing with God.
So don't be expecting some loud thunderclap voice coming from the clouds if you don't have your hearts open to hear what your fellow man has to say..

Edit: On a sidenote, i think it's important to toss out here that some people seem to have the misconception that your body of emotions is in the same league as your spiritual person, which is not the case.
Emotions are natural and define our very basic moments as human beings.. Spirit could be considered the polar opposite.
Drakona mentioned when feeding an appetite it grows and when you starve it, it withers away until it's easily ignorable.. In the same wind, Feeding your emotional appetite through sexual satisfaction through any outlet:(homosexuality, pedophilia, bestiality, pornography..etc..) Contributes to further destruction of your spirit.

Or am i the only one who has noticed that we are not only in war, amidst economic collapse/unemployment skyhigh records but also exploring newer \"personal freedoms\"?

How about this, do those of you who agree with the GBLT agenda also oppose legalizing weed? Are you hypocritical when it comes to what you consider destructive or non-destructive to our culture as a whole?

[CUDA]

....Until God himself tells me and the whole world all at once the facts according to Him, not just some psyhcobabble from some preacher, I won't believe all the lurid, superstitious and biased tales that came from the minds of mortal men. Sorry, you are free to believe what you want, I'm not trying to change your faith and beliefs. I've tried to live my life as an honest, nice person, so when my chips are called in, I'll take whatever comes forth. I'm not going to worry about the unknown.

However, homosexuality HAS been found in animals, which don't, by the way, make 'choices' about their sexuality and research IS starting to show that it may be coded in our brain's software during early gestation. If it doesn't go right, nothing goes perfect in nature, you get anomolies and if they're not fatal to the organism, they perpetuate. So if God created us, he either had a sense of humor or has the same problems any coder has keeping track of a program. You guys know all too well the variations of software and hardware behavior in computers. Humans are just organic code and 60 to 70% water. However, proof of the existance of a soul is something we'll never know for sure, will we?

Well thought out and said.

And, I find it hard to believe that there are still human beings who believe that being Gay is a choice.

Bee

Prove it isnt and we'll believe it. until then its a choice.

[Spidey]

Drakona, it indeed was a “silly” statement, it was a “silly” statement made for the “silly” notion that anybody chooses to be gay. (or at least most) Or that it’s even relevant.

CUDA…prove it is…if anybody could prove anything there wouldn’t be this discussion.

[CUDA]

CUDA…prove it is…if anybody could prove anything there wouldn’t be this discussion.

I don't need to. it was Bee that said it's not a choice. it is HER burden to prove her claim.

[Duper]

Cool down TC. It's obvious we share different view points. You, like many others regard the Bible as manufactured. I don't believe that and that's where I leave that.

Or am i the only one who has noticed that we are not only in war, amidst economic collapse/unemployment skyhigh records but also exploring newer "personal freedoms"?

Yeah, that occurred to me the other day as well.

[Spidey]

Fair enuf CUDA, but I’m hearing a lot of claims that it “is” a choice. And the people making those claims can’t seem to offer any proof either.

The people who “are” gay, are making the claim that it’s “not” their choice…so that’s it right from the horses mouth.

But of course since they are gay, they are probably liars too.

[Bet51987]

I don't need to. it was Bee that said it's not a choice. it is HER burden to prove her claim.

Fair enuf CUDA, but I’m hearing a lot of claims that it “is” a choice. And the people making those claims can’t seem to offer any proof either.

The people who “are” gay, are making the claim that it’s “not” their choice…so that’s it right from the horses mouth.

But of course since they are gay, they are probably liars too.

I would call that proof enough and I can understand the church being worried. Once science has proof (and it will) that you're born that way it brings up implications that God had to create them.

So Cuda, are gays liars?

Bee

[Duper]

I don't need to. it was Bee that said it's not a choice. it is HER burden to prove her claim.

Fair enuf CUDA, but I’m hearing a lot of claims that it “is” a choice. And the people making those claims can’t seem to offer any proof either.

The people who “are” gay, are making the claim that it’s “not” their choice…so that’s it right from the horses mouth.

But of course since they are gay, they are probably liars too.

I would call that proof enough and I can understand the church being worried. Once science has proof (and it will) that you're born that way it brings up implications that God had to create them.

So Cuda, are gays liars?

Bee

Thank you Bett.

Here it is Kilarin.

[Neo]

Maybe we should make a day of silence for other hedonists and pedophiles, etc. since we're doing it for gays, etc.

Homosexuality may not be a choice, but that doesn't make it acceptable. For example, mental illness isn't a choice, but people who have that usually end up receiving some kind of treatment, as society won't tolerate any deviation from behavioral norms.

[CUDA]

I don't need to. it was Bee that said it's not a choice. it is HER burden to prove her claim.

Fair enuf CUDA, but I’m hearing a lot of claims that it “is” a choice. And the people making those claims can’t seem to offer any proof either.

The people who “are” gay, are making the claim that it’s “not” their choice…so that’s it right from the horses mouth.

But of course since they are gay, they are probably liars too.

I would call that proof enough and I can understand the church being worried. Once science has proof (and it will) that you're born that way it brings up implications that God had to create them.

So Cuda, are gays liars?

Bee

Bee just because some one says something does not make it FACT or even true. I said Prove it.

edit: after re-reading this came across as a dig, that was not my intent

and Just for clarification.

proof

noun
1. any factual evidence that helps to establish the truth of something; "if you have any proof for what you say, now is the time to produce it"

and you give me

con⋅jec⋅ture
   
–noun
1. the formation or expression of an opinion or theory without sufficient evidence for proof.

[TheCope]

No moment of silence here. I can't wait to have group sex again. I like females though, so I'm not a target, right?

Morality police don't want to lose their benefits so they pick on people. Oh no, I'll just do it anyways. ;(

Can you ★■◆●ing idiots ever have a thread on this message board without bible quotes? It's like you are all living in some rural farm town.

[Sergeant Thorne]

... Once science has proof (and it will) ...

Well maybe we should dispense with the science altogether and just consult the philosophers, eh? ...Just drop the pretense and run with it...

Can you **** idiots ...

Oh crap... you mean you don't approve?

[TheCope]

Can you **** idiots ...

Oh crap... you mean you don't approve?

It doesn't matter if I approve or not. I think your moral base could be a fabrication of a persons mind.

I just don't think your brothers should murder, brutally assault, and use "laws" to oppress people. This thread is about bullying... and your "pure, ethical, and righteous brothers" are sure good at bullying.

[Sergeant Thorne]

I think your moral base could be a fabrication of a persons mind.

And everybody is entitled to their opinion, no matter how much it's based in opinion, speculation, and rumor. Do a real study of the history of the Bible, and maybe I'll even begin to give a damn what you think.

And I don't think you even know what the people I would consider to be my "brothers" are like. They're few and far between, though I have some friends--people who share at least some of the healthy values I was raised with.

By the way, what is the essential difference between you and someone who lives in a rural farm town? Are you better off, for all of your enlightenment?

[Dakatsu]

It's like you are all living in some rural farm town.

[Behemoth]

I suppose as far as getting the message across the day of silence thing isn't too bad, I would have more support for this type of thing if it were a message against bullying of all types and not just a reason to make said individuals even more like helpless lambs.
If you want equality first you have to believe you are equal, and that means not striving for attention as one who doesn't believe in themself for what they stand for.

[TheCope]

By the way, what is the essential difference between you and someone who lives in a rural farm town? Are you better off, for all of your enlightenment?

I'm not "enlightened" - my best guess is that "enlightenment" happens during your last breath on this planet and certainly not when you are a some 18 year old on a video game BB.

I have nothing against farm towns. My family came from farm towns and some members still live there. They just seem to have no expierence with people different from them, it's just homogeny. They expect others to accept their "way of life" as truth. It just isn't - it's A way of life - not THE way of life.

And phuck all if they are gonna let someone get away with it if they are different; whether or not they are hurt by them. There are billions of peoples and cultures on Earth and their little life is just perty laughable at times.

Why don't you just mind your own business if people aren't hurting you? Arrogance? Naahhh, couldn't be... you are "enlightened".

[Neo]

Don't write off 18-year-old people on a video game message board as not being enlightened. To assume that they have less knowledge/wisdom than you is to take a step backwards; and you end up displaying that which you didn't want in the first place: arrogance. Remember, you never know who you're going to learn something from. Enlightenment can come from any direction.

There is only one truth and one way of life. Whether or not theirs is true is irrelevant. But I've heard you say things like 'grace' from 'sin' is an attempt to absolve oneself from personal responsibility, but believing in relativism is nothing but self-deception used to try to sidestep responsibility, as relativism is complete nonsense and totally illogical.

[TheCope]

There is only one truth and one way of life. Whether or not theirs is true is irrelevant.

No. There is only your life - narcissist - you can't be other people.

Neobat, I happen to like young peoples perceptions of the world... it is full of energy - doesn't make it wrong or right or accurate. Don't call it "enlightenment", it prolly isn't. At best "could be".

[Bet51987]

Maybe we should make a day of silence for other hedonists and pedophiles, etc. since we're doing it for gays, etc.

Pedophiles hurt the innocent. Gays do not.

Homosexuality may not be a choice, but that doesn't make it acceptable. For example, mental illness isn't a choice, but people who have that usually end up receiving some kind of treatment, as society won't tolerate any deviation from behavioral norms.

People with a mental illness that is not harmful to others need and deserve treatment to obtain a better life. Society, as you describe, are intollerant of gays because they stand too far under the religious umbrella. Gays do not have a mental illness.

...here's an example for you. you Chose a lifestyle of attending Church and Singing God's praises, are you a Christian? or are you Lying?

Neither. I never once said I was a Christian. I've always described myself as "Christian like" having the same lifestyle as a true Christian. I've left out morals and values because I have a growing dislike for some of the Christian views.

As far as lying goes... Whether I talk to people after mass, or through the emotion of my songs, all of my words are derived from the bible. So, if you consider the bible as truth then how am I lying?

...and Just for clarification.

proof

noun
1. any factual evidence that helps to establish the truth of something; "if you have any proof for what you say, now is the time to produce it"

and you give me

con·jec·ture

–noun
1. the formation or expression of an opinion or theory without sufficient evidence for proof.

Show me factual evidence of a loving God or any evidence of God not based on expression or opinion. Show me and I'll gladly give up my atheist belief.

Bee

[woodchip]

Lets cut to the chase. This thread isn't about homo's vs straights. It's about a school promoting a way of life on school ground. If they are going to allow a \"Day of Silence\" then they should allow a \"Day of Prayer\" to promote religion or a Day of Honor to remember our troops. Either open up Days for all life styles or have none at all.

Edit: spelling

[Behemoth]

Either open up Days for all life styles or have none at all.

x2

[Jeff250]

I view it identically to how I view drug use, I guess. I can't really say how it'll turn out for any individual. The most I can say is that the community is a picture of how folks who have those tendencies turn out after pursuing them, and the view is not flattering.

I can't agree with this, but I can't think of anything to say that I haven't already said. I think we just have different worldviews and different ideas of what is flattering.

I will say this, though. I think the over-the-top compassion for gays is misplaced. You want a hard row to hoe? Try being born mentally retarted. Try being born in true poverty. Try being born in an abusive setting. Try being physically crippled. A little bit of social disapproval is nothing.

I think that the over-the-top condemnation of gays by the Christian church is also misplaced. Even if you think that the gay lifestyle is unflattering, the greater evils are still the ones that you just mentioned, and things like being born into hunger we can do a lot about.

Prove it isnt and we'll believe it. until then its a choice.

This isn't math class, so you won't find any proofs for anything in this topic. If the burden is that high, then none of us can say anything about the subject, and we might as well pack our bags and go home.

The "until then it's a choice" part isn't fair either. Since you haven't proven that it is a choice, it's "until then we don't know what causes it." But again, holding out for absolute proof is a lame way to avoid having to come to terms with the evidence that we do have.

It's about a school promoting a way of life on school ground.

That's not the case though. It's about the students doing it. If any teachers participated in this in the classroom, then that's lame, but I haven't heard of any of them doing that yet.

[Tunnelcat]

Maybe we should make a day of silence for other hedonists and pedophiles, etc. since we're doing it for gays, etc.

Homosexuality may not be a choice, but that doesn't make it acceptable. For example, mental illness isn't a choice, but people who have that usually end up receiving some kind of treatment, as society won't tolerate any deviation from behavioral norms.

Who defines a "behavioral norm"? The Church, the Government, the Medical Community? Oh right, the Medical Community no longer defines homosexuality as a aberrant behavior or mental illness. So now we're down to the other two options.

Neo, your reactions and statements about gay people are precisely why bullying biased on homophobia is a problem that needs addressing in public school. It's not about promoting a 'lifestyle' but about teaching respect for others. That applies to all types of people who are perceived by the 'normies' as different. Maybe if you'd been taught in school to respect others that are different from you, you wouldn't be so full of vehemence.

[Spidey]

JFTR, my defense of homosexuality ends at promoting it as “normal” “acceptable” or anything else for that matter.

I simply believe people who are not breaking any laws, have a right to be left alone. And freedom from religious persecution. (both ways)

[woodchip]

It's about a school promoting a way of life on school ground.

That's not the case though. It's about the students doing it. If any teachers participated in this in the classroom, then that's lame, but I haven't heard of any of them doing that yet.

Doesn't matter Jeff. Try having a student organized Day of Prayer for Christians on school grounds and see what happens. If you allow a day of silence to be a recognized event on school grounds then the school is tacitly promoting it.

[Kilarin]

Sorry, long post again, trying to catch up.

"I've never met a Christian that became gay after becoming a Christain."

Hmmm. The example I'm thinking of was born in a Christian home, raised Christian, and despite many difficulties, is still trying to stay actively Christian. I disagree with her on this point, but she's a good person and loves Christ.

In that paragraph, I was only talking about the way things are and criticizing culture for being hypocritical.

Ah, good, thank you. Thats what I thought/hoped you meant.

I understand, some people are born gay and may never lose those desires, though they try as devoutly as possible. From my perspective as a Christian, this is not extraordinary. I believe everyone is born with twisted, sinful desires--sexual or non--and generally that controlling them is difficult, and losing them is only possible by the grace of God. I am not singling out gay folks as being born wretched in a world where grace is hard to find. I believe everyone is in this condition.

Amen!

...God. I personally think he needs to come down to Earth and set things straight for our sordid lot.

I agree, and I think He's going to.

have you ever read the Gospel of St. Thomas? It's very different from the rest of the Bible and is considered heresy by the Catholic Church. So is it true or false, fact or fiction?

I'm not duper, but I'll answer anyway. The Gospel of Thomas is a gnostic work. It's very different from the rest of the Bible because it comes from a philosophical background that is incompatible with the rest of the Bible. The gnostics teach that the body is evil (all physical things actually). The Bible teaches that God created our Bodies, and they were very good. As for who wrote it? It was declared to be a fake in the early 200's, by people much closer to the original than we are. Combine that with it's incompatibility with the rest of the Bible and I don't see any reason to take it seriously.

I can understand the church being worried. Once science has proof (and it will) that you're born that way it brings up implications that God had to create them.

Only in the sense that He created all of us before the fall. A genetic link towards a certain behavior has nothing to say, either for or against, the morality of that behavior. See Drakona's point that I quoted above.

Thank you Bett. Here it is Kilarin.

Yes, but I don't think it helps to deny the genetic (or teratogenic or environmental or whatever) link, any of which may turn out to be true. The proper response is to explain that it is a foundation of Christian doctrine that we are born with some tendencies that are sinful.

Rom 7:14-19 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am carnal, sold under sin. I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. Now if I do what I do not want, I agree that the law is good. So then it is no longer I that do it, but sin which dwells within me. For I know that nothing good dwells within me, that is, in my flesh. I can will what is right, but I cannot do it. For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I do

Can you **** idiots ever have a thread on this message board without bible quotes? It's like you are all living in some rural farm town.

I was asked, specifically, to provide Bible quotes so the Atheist could understand the context. You can no more discuss issues of ethics with Christians without involving Bible quotes than you can discuss issues of politics with a constitutionalist without invoking the constitution occasionally, or evolution without quoting Dawkins, Gould, or Darwin. The quote above has two purposes. 1: It is a valid argument with fellow Christians. 2: It explains the Christian point of view to those who do not accept the Bible, but are discussing this issue with those who do.

I don't see how either point can be objectionable. When I'm discussing religion with my Hindu friends at work, they explain things from a Hindu point of view. I don't accept their scripture or philosophy, but how can I LEARN about it if they don't explain it? I'm certainly not afraid of it, or offended by it.

Why do Bible quotes offend you so? If I were quoting Robinson Crusoe all the time, you would say "It's just a book" and ignore it.

I just don't think your brothers should murder, brutally assault, and use "laws" to oppress people

Woah, hold on to your hat Cope, cause we agree!!!

Pedophiles hurt the innocent. Gays do not.

This is an entirely valid observation.

I think that the over-the-top condemnation of gays by the Christian church is also misplaced.

I agree. And I think a lot of other Christians here do as well. It's one sin among many, and certainly not anywhere near the worst. (although the very concept of a "worse" sin is questionable in many aspects).

The "Ick" factor makes homosexuality get more attention than some other sins that really deserve much more of our condemnation. And that's a shame.

[Spidey]

The "Ick" factor makes homosexuality get more attention than some other sins that really deserve much more of our condemnation. And that's a shame.

And BAM…there it is…

Because if you really want to go after a sin that “really” degrades society, you might want to start with Laziness, because that “sin” does far more damage then being gay. But all we seem to be able to to about that one is throw money at it and make excuses.

[Bet51987]

Only in the sense that He created all of us before the fall. A genetic link towards a certain behavior has nothing to say, either for or against, the morality of that behavior. See Drakona's point that I quoted above.

I didn't see any point to Drakona's post. However, "the fall" and "free will" are the usual blatant cop-outs. When either of those two are used, I know I've won the argument.

Thanks Kilarin

Bettina

[Kilarin]

But all we seem to be able to to about that one is throw money at it and make excuses.

Thats because we are lazy. (sorry, couldn't resist)

[Duper]

I didn't see any point to Drakona's post. However, "the fall" and "free will" are the usual blatant cop-outs. When either of those two are used, I know I've won the argument.

This issue has been beaten enough this last year and you STILL don't get it., nor did you get what Kilarin said by:

I was asked, specifically, to provide Bible quotes so the Atheist could understand the context. You can no more discuss issues of ethics with Christians without involving Bible quotes than you can discuss issues of politics with a constitutionalist without invoking the constitution occasionally, or evolution without quoting Dawkins, Gould, or Darwin. The quote above has two purposes. 1: It is a valid argument with fellow Christians. 2: It explains the Christian point of view to those who do not accept the Bible, but are discussing this issue with those who do.

or did you miss that?

Thanks Kilarin for answering the St. Thomas thing. That was the right answer. I'm taken 5 as I'm getting too wound up and that won't do anyone any good.

[Spidey]

Good one Kilarin...

[TheCope]

Why do Bible quotes offend you so? If I were quoting Robinson Crusoe all the time, you would say "It's just a book" and ignore it.

I just don't think your brothers should murder, brutally assault, and use "laws" to oppress people

Woah, hold on to your hat Cope, cause we agree!

No, we don't.
You are just another human who doesn't play the video game the whole "community" is based on, but has the time to yammer about jebus.
Would you please, shadup? Waste of space.

"And here are my 47 diagrams to prove we can make jello from swine!"

Shut the hell up and get out of peoples lives and play descent today.

[Jeff250]

Kilarin is one of the fairest Christian posters on this board, and I am always interested in what he has to say.

[Duper]

Cope .. you were the one that came HERE and posted...

X2 Jeff

[Sergeant Thorne]

They just seem to have no experience with people different from them, it's just homogeny. They expect others to accept their "way of life" as truth. It just isn't - it's A way of life - not THE way of life.

I think that's true, but at the same time there are many things about their culture that is head and shoulders above the one that either you or I live in. If you've ever heard the term "good, wholesome people", it is my experience that, for whatever reasons (and I think I have some idea of the reasons), there is really some truth to that. Not that they don't suffer from the same character faults, but those faults do not blossom into the wide array of vices and problems experienced in more urban cultures. When I hear someone put them down in a general fashion, I know to brace myself for a load of nonsense.

And phuck all if they are gonna let someone get away with it if they are different; whether or not they are hurt by them.

That one sounds like it's only yours.

Why don't you just mind your own business if people aren't hurting you? Arrogance? Naahhh, couldn't be... you are "enlightened".

This is actually a big assumption on your part. I do mind my own business. ...Did you get that? And whenever this issue becomes my business you or anyone else will hear about it. The difference between myself and people who don't like to judge anything (except judgment itself), is that I do not, in essence, make a pact with the morally bankrupt of society not to judge what they're involved in if they agree not to judge what I'm involved in. It's not "live and let live," it's really more like sin and let sin. I do not ask that my faults be accommodated (though sometimes I might wish to, and but for the character instilled by my parents, and grace of God, I certainly would), and so I have not closed my eyes to those of others. In my life I do not shape morality to make room for my life, I try my best to honestly perceive/recognize a morality that I am convinced exists, that I was taught in part as a child, and is presented in the Bible, and then to be shaped by that standard. I have a leg-up, in some of these discussions, because I know the vast majority are compromising morality for various reasons that are never good enough.

I am not God, I cannot tell you exactly what you should be doing (this is what I was talking about when I said sometimes I may overstep my bounds), and I cannot dictate salvation, but I can speak the truth without doing wrong. It's according to the Bible that it's "truth", but even outside of the Bible it's evidently true in that it is good and worthwhile.

Can I be done taking you seriously for now? I find it emotionally draining.

[flip]

Christians are supposed to do everything by example. That in itself is the judgment that Paul speaks of when he says that Christians will judge the world. They judge the world by showing it is possible to live according to God's statutes and decrees. We are to do nothing towards anyone but to exhort, encourage and edify. Without the example it's just words and no evidence. I'm guilty as charged.

[Kilarin]

I didn't see any point to Drakona's post.

Oh? Sorry, I thought she explained the idea very clearly. The point was not to defend the idea as correct (that would be a whole different argument), but to explain that from a Christian point of view, people are expected to have flaws. The fact that we have a tendency or an inclination or even an obsession with an activity does NOT prove that activity is a moral one, or that God intended it to be in our natures. Because basic Christian doctrine is that man is no longer exactly as he was designed to be. And that, through our choice to let Christ have control of our lives, our behaviors can be changed, no matter what our tendency, inclination, or obsession was.

But that brings us to...

"the fall" and "free will" are the usual blatant cop-outs. When either of those two are used, I know I've won the argument.

Ah, well. Sorry. Without an understanding of these two doctrines, Christians won't make any sense to you. Hindu beliefs didn't make any sense to me until I finally understood the point that from their view, we are all God. Literally. Once that sunk in, everything else lined up as reasonable and the differences in our beliefs started making sense.

I'm not saying you have to AGREE with us, but an understanding of the two points might help you understand us.

You are just another human who doesn't play the video game the whole "community" is based on, but has the time to yammer about jebus.

You seem to have a very limited view of the community. Descent brought us together, but its not the only thing that keeps us together. My wrist is keeping me out of descent again. But my son is learning to play. So perhaps that will raise me in your estimation.

And, you know, sometimes you CAN agree in limited areas with people with whom you disagree on other points. Try finding common ground, instead of emphasizing our differences.

I am always interested in what he has to say

You are way to kind! Please note that I've always found you to be fair and intelligent and I value your contributions to any discussion. Even when we disagree. Sometimes especially when we disagree.

Can I be done taking you seriously for now? I find it emotionally draining.

I'm not certain cope WANTS to be taken seriously. That's why I always do.

We are to do nothing towards anyone but to exhort, encourage and edify.

Yes!

Christians are supposed to do everything by example.

We ALL fail at this one, unfortunately. <sigh>

[TheCope]

This place is a forum to push your way of life. Nobody cares. You are dull and un-inviting. You act like you are open to humans, as long as you are the authority. You are not.

My snipe at whatever his name is... is to get you to play descent. I don't personally care what he believes because it's just blabber and he isn't gonna change my mind with bible quotes. Have you ever met another person before? I'm not sure.

It never ends. BLAH. Seriously. Get some perspective. 10 people play the video game multiplayer and you type about the bible and peoples lifestyles?

Go to a \"MY LIFE IS THE RIGHT WAY\" forum. You don't play descent. You just type.