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Floyd wrote:

Isaac wrote:Don't you want to do what Hitler's doing?

absolutely not. on a side note, this sentence can get you in trouble over here.

What kind of trouble?

EngDrewman wrote:

y?

Genesis Myth iconography?

VonVulcan wrote:

Floyd wrote:

Isaac wrote:Don't you want to do what Hitler's doing?

absolutely not. on a side note, this sentence can get you in trouble over here.

What kind of trouble?

with the law.

Really. No free speech?

Duper wrote:

EngDrewman wrote:

y?

Why Mac sucks:
1. Mac users think they're superior to everyone else.
2. Mac is clumsy.
3. Mac is artsy-fartsy instead of functionally efficient.
4. No shortcut keyboard buttons, or for that matter, not even a 2nd mouse button to right click with!
5. All Mac products are overpriced and overrated.
6. Mac software for Windows tries to install all other Mac programs and set them as the default for everything.
7. Mac media formats are useless to any non-Mac software, and Mac software can't do anything with non-Mac formats.
8. NO GOOD GAMES FOR MAC, unless you have an alternate existence in the realm of Warcraft.

The Onion wrote:I'll buy anything that's shiny and made by Apple!" http://www.theonion.com/content/video/a ... olutionary

1. Mac users think they're superior to everyone else.

So do people who assemble computers from pre made parts, and then think they “built” the thing.

lol @ The Onion.

EngDrewman wrote:... Why EngDrewman doesn't like Macs ...

Geez, you sure don't know much about using a Mac, do you. Oh well, your loss.

Spidey wrote:1. Mac users think they're superior to everyone else.

So do people who assemble computers from pre made parts, and then think they “built” the thing.

yup. (I've been in that category myself)

btw, Mac mice are very cool. They have left and right click without buttons as well as left and right scroll without a wheel.

uh... no games? Are you nuts? Have you looked?

Here:

• Publisher: Ambrosia Software
• Aquaria
• Escape Velocity Nova
• GooBall
• pop-pop
• SketchFighter 4000 Alpha

• Publisher: Aspyr
• American McGee’s Alice
• Battlefield 1942 Deluxe Edition
• Battlefield 1942: Secret Weapons of WWII
• BloodRayne
• Call of Duty
• Call of Duty: United Offensive
• Call of Duty 2
• Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
• Delta Force: Black Hawk Down
• Doom 3
• Enemy Territory: Quake Wars
• Ghost Recon: Game of the Year Edition
• Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone
• Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets
• James Bond 007: Nightfire
• LEGO Star Wars
• Medal of Honor: Allied Assault
• Medal of Honor: Breakthrough
• Medal of Honor: Spearhead
• Prey
• Quake 4
• Return to Castle Wolfenstein
• Shrek 2
• Spider-Man
• Spider-Man 2
• SpyHunter
• Star Trek Voyager: Elite Force
• Star Trek: Elite Force II
• Star Wars: Battlefront
• Star Wars The Force Unleashed: Ultimate Sith Edition
• Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy
• Star Wars Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast
• Stubbs The Zombie in Rebel Without A Pulse
• Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six 3: Athena Sword
• Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield
• Tom Clancy’s Splinter Cell
• Tomb Raider: Chronicles
• True Crime: Streets of LA
• Wolverine’s Revenge
• Publisher: Blockland LLC
• Blockland

• Publisher: BravoBug Software
• Mega BrickBash 3000
• Publisher: Chaotic Studios Inc.
• Koth
• Publisher: Codeblender Software
• DeepTrouble 2
• Publisher: Electronic Arts
• Battlefield 2142
• Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince
• Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
• Rage

• Publisher: EMV Software
• Warblade

• Publisher: Feral Interactive
• LEGO Bionicle
• BioShock
• Enemy Engaged
• LEGO Batman: The Videogame
• LEGO Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures
• LEGO Star Wars II
• Rayman 3: Hoodlum Havoc
• Worms 3D
• XIII

• Publisher: Freeverse
• Airburst Extreme
• Neon Tango
• ToySight Gold
• WingNuts 2: Raina’s Revenge

• Publisher: Frogames
• Penguins Arena
• Publisher: GameHouse
• Miriel the Magical Merchant

• Publisher: Garage Games
• Dark Horizons: Lore Invasion
• Gish
• InstantAction
• Marble Blast Gold
• Orbz
• ThinkTanks
• Zap!

• Publisher: GraphSim
• Red Faction

• Publisher: Happy Nutz Studio
• RotoAdventures Momo’s Quest
• Publisher: Hothead Games
• Braid

• Publisher: id Software
• Quake III: Gold
• Quake Live

• Publisher: Jamie Woodhouse
• Qwak

• Publisher: Macgamestore
• Little Space Duo
• Lucy’s Expedition
• Mystic Emporium
• Nanny Mania 2
• Paradise Beach - Demo
  vParty Down

• Publisher: MacSoft
• Atari Arcade Classics
• Cake Mania
• Close Combat: First to Fight
• Halo: Combat Evolved
• Max Payne
• Unreal Tournament 2003
• Unreal Tournament 2004
• Unreal Tournament 3

• Publisher: Nimbly Games
• Altitude

• Publisher: Pangea Software
• Billy Frontier
• Bugdom 2
• Nanosaur II: Hatchling
• Otto Matic
• Pangea Arcade

• Publisher: Phelios, Inc.
• Bud Redhead
• Doulber Gold

• Publisher: PlayFirst
• Cooking Dash: DinerTown Studios
• Diaper Dash
• Diner Dash: Flo Through Time
• Diner Dash Seasonal Snack
• DinerTown Tycoon
• Fitness Dash
• The Great Chocolate Chase: A Chocolatier Twist
• Hotel Dash: Suite Success
• Jessica’s Cupcake Cafe
• Parking Dash
• Pet Shop Hop
• Wedding Dash: Ready,Aim,Love

• Publisher: Playrix Entertainment
• Fishdom H2O: Hidden Odyssey

• Publisher: PopCap Games
• Peggle
• Peggle Nights
• Plants vs Zombies
• Publisher: Phelios, Inc.
• Bud Redhead
• Doulber Gold

• Publisher: Rake In Grass
• Archibald’s Adventures

• Publisher: Redlynx Ltd
• Monster Trucks Nitro

• Publisher: Reflexive Entertainment
• Airport Mania: First Flight

• Publisher: Red Marble Games
• Cake Mania 2

• Publisher: Runesoft
• Dream Pinball 3D
• Jack’s Crazy Cong

• Publisher: Tarmo Hyvarinen
• Warsow

• Publisher: Team17
• Worms 2: Armageddon

• Publisher: THQ
• The Incredibles
• The Incredibles: Rise of the Underminer
• Ratatouille: The Video Game
• UP: The Video Game
• WALL•E: The Video Game

• Publisher: TimeTrap
• Emberwind

• Publisher: TransGaming, Inc.
• Foreign Legion: Buckets of Blood
• Kung Fu Panda The Game
• Prince of Persia
• Prince of Persia: The Two Thrones
• Rayman Raving Rabbids
• Star Trek: D-A-C

• Publisher: Tricky Software
• Armado

• Publisher: U.S. Army
• America’s Army
• Publisher: ViquaSoft Co., Ltd.
• First Class Flurry

• Publisher: Virtual Programming
• Alien Shooter 2
• Chronicles Of Riddick: Dark Athena
• Mind Rover
• Project Nomads
• X2: The Threat
• X3: Reunion
• X3: Terran Conflict

If you want to play other xp/7 (forget vista ) there are several apps that will let you do that. You will need to buy a windows OS, but if you want games, there is a way. Mac is Unix now so you should be seeing more software in the future. That's also a bit of hope for the Linux community. (perhaps) Also, you can get Microsoft Office etc. software for Mac too.

Prices on-line ARE steep, but seem to be a bit more reasonable in the stores if you have on close.

...yeah, but where's DESCENT on that list?

http://descent.en.softonic.com/mac

Here!!

just a quick google didn't dig.

Of course you can hack it to work, if you know what ur doing, but even then, will it run as well as it does natively on a PC? I doubt it. I've tried that stuff on Linux, and yeah it ~runs~ but not as well as on Windows.
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What do you make of #7? They don't just do that with their software--they do that with their hardware too, namely- iPod. True that Windows requires \"Genuine Advantage\" crap to work, but MAC requires that for their hardware, stuff like an iPod dock or even heaven forbid you might want to use your own headphones!

VonVulcan wrote:Really. No free speech?

Certain limits apply.

Ahhh, pretty much the same as here then.

EngDrewman wrote:Of course you can hack it to work, if you know what ur doing, but even then, will it run as well as it does natively on a PC? I doubt it. I've tried that stuff on Linux, and yeah it ~runs~ but not as well as on Windows.[/url]

Hack? so DX-XL and DXX are "hacks"? I don't see that kind of derixsion applied to those mods.
I seems that the link has it's roots Here as linked on the site. This is the original W32 / all OS attempt for D2.

But you can make these arguments all day. It's no different than the console vs console vs PC arguments. Mac had moved out of the schools and made itself more market friendly; especially since it dumped Motorola.

Where the IPad is concerned. It fits an interesting market nitch. I have to laugh at all the griefers who cry because it's not this or that. It is what it is. Mac provides a gadget and function for just about what anyone wants. I'm sure the IPad's offspring will be even closer to the unified field theory of gizmos than anything we've seen.Personally, I'd like to see at sketch pad like you see during the D3 install. I wonder if Wacom would consider making something portable....

On Mac Vs PC:
The whole reason I went to Ubuntu was because I wanted something like the Mac OS, but affordable. A Mac's value doesn't match what's on the price tag; I'll never buy one. Linux distros have about the same compatibility as a Mac and runs much lighter. It also looks much better. With a few tricks in Wine and VB it's the perfect OS. And if you're a gamer then dual boot with a cheap copy of XP. But there's no reason to ever buy a Mac.

EngDrewman wrote:Of course you can hack it to work, if you know what ur doing, but even then, will it run as well as it does natively on a PC? I doubt it. I've tried that stuff on Linux, and yeah it ~runs~ but not as well as on Windows.

You must have had something configured wrong, or hardware that didn't work well in linux. Descent 3 always worked better for me in linux.

I really don't get the whole apple vs pc thing.

They're both computers.. meaning apple = pc

There ARE however apple BRAND computers with apple OS.
Apple's OS vs Windows OS is more of the debate here, yet 90% of apple users I know just have a windows section on their apple computer.

with apple computers you do get good customer support along with nicely integrated hardware. However you pay out the ass to get it.

an \"apple\" computer is in the same category with an \"alienware\" computer, or a \"hp\" computer. Alienware is just as overpriced as apple yet everyone seems to love it.

Basically, why distinguish apple from the rest of pc's? What a horrible waste of energy.

Spaceboy wrote:I really don't get the whole apple vs pc thing.

Read my last post then. PC includes linux and windows, to name a few OSs.

Yeah I don't get this whole Windows = PC thing. It annoys me when I see something say it runs on PC only to find that isn't true - it really only runs on Windows.

Spaceboy wrote: There ARE however apple BRAND computers with apple OS.
Apple's OS vs Windows OS is more of the debate here, yet 90% of apple users I know just have a windows section on their apple computer.

.......

an "apple" computer is in the same category with an "alienware" computer, or a "hp" computer. Alienware is just as overpriced as apple yet everyone seems to love it.

Basically, why distinguish apple from the rest of pc's? What a horrible waste of energy.

....ok...

BAck in the day, there was only IBM making computers (for the most part) When they started making "small" desktop systems they needed a way to differentiate between thier mainframe market (that only used remote terminals) and thier "Personal Computer" market. And thus we got the IBM PC The public needed to be educated on this new product and that is the way IBM did it. Kinda like any thing we put on an "owie" is a "Band-aid" even though that is a brand name.
By the time Apple came along the term "PC" had worked it's way into the house hold vocab and it wasn't necessary. The Apple and later Macintoch is a personal Computer, just not an IBM type OS. That and later they were built as SCSI not as the IBM serial/IDE/parallel standards.

Later, after IBM kinda dropped out of the PC business, Windows kinda took over the title as "Windows PC". There were also Tandy computers; then known as TRS (trash for short )

Tandy... I've contributed quite a few hours to those.

Xamindar wrote:Yeah I don't get this whole Windows = PC thing. It annoys me when I see something say it runs on PC only to find that isn't true - it really only runs on Windows.

Not true. PC can run any operating system- Windows, Linux, even "Hackintosh"

PC = \"Personal Computer\"

So that means any computer that isn't a mainframe type. So, stand alone Desktops are PCs REGARDLESS of brand or OS.
Laptops are PCs REGARDLESS of brand or OS.
Iphones, plampilots etc. and yes, IPads.

They are all PC's.

I understand that \"PC\" implies a DOS run computer, but that's only marketing.

Well, there's the technical definition, then there's the common parlance. While people might be thinking specifically of Windows when they term something a \"PC\" in contrast to a Mac, I think at least most would consider something running Linux the same deal... even though you could do that with a Mac just as well. So, it would really become any computer with an Intel x86-compatible instruction set that isn't a Mac. Which is a bit of a convoluted description, but people seem to quite often use terms they have only a hazy understanding of (what is \"life\", for instance?).

Something tells me the above text will not be very coherent.

Sirius, did ya know that Apple's new OS is Unix? Not linux, but just as solid and certainly not as obscure as their earlier os's; and I'm sure easier to code for.

Spaceboy, the Alienware comparison was good. I buddy of mine is dropping 10K into a new box. o_0 It's not Alien though .. it was by ..um. Ballistic Gaming PC

Can't comment on the ease of programming for OS X so much since I haven't done it, but normally a lot of the difficulty in writing applications can wind up in creating the UI, and Apple promotes Cocoa (which uses Objective-C) for that rather than Unix's X11 - although it does support that.

Either option is a big step up from OS 9 though, which pretty much did UIs backwards from how everyone else was handling them at that point.

Nice perspective on the iPad:

A big part of the reason for all the excitement about the iPad is that, similar to the Nintendo Wii in the videogames industry, it appeals to segments of the market which have not traditionally been targeted. Segments which are nevertheless ready and willing, as with Wii, to buy devices in their hundreds of thousands.

It’s difficult to get our heads around the fact that these non-technologically-savvy users can suddenly constitute a core market for a device, yet that’s the case here. Nintendo saw it, and Apple sees it too. It’s an uncomfortable realisation since these people are so unfamiliar to people like you, as hardware manufacturers, and me as a software engineer. This discomfort leads to a kind of understandable blindness, and more importantly can make us leave money on the table. The relative sales and demand figures for Wii vs PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 over the last several Christmases are indicative of that.

and:

When competing with iPad, you have to realise that, to your new core market, tablets are not computers. There’s no such thing (to your customer) as a “tablet computer”; the very name reduces the likelihood they’ll buy it. The potential of the tablet is that it’s not even seen as a computing device.

http://mattgemmell.com/2010/02/05/how-t ... -with-ipad

He doesn't explain why this supposed new market segment is interesting. But it may not need too much explaining, I suppose: it lets you do some computer-y tasks more effectively than a phone would, but you don't need the same space and all that stuff as a notebook would, can pass it around more easily, etc, etc...

However it still comes down to a question of whether the things you can do with that actually get people interested enough to buy one. (Playing video? Browsing websites? Reading books? They're OK, but the tablet form factor only makes incremental improvements over what's already there.) Obviously Steve Jobs believes in it, and funny enough Bill Gates did too, but only time will tell whether the past lack of enthusiasm for the market is due to improper execution or a genuine lack of appeal for the product class altogether.

It's certainly not something I see as being as sure a bet as cloud computing, to say the least, and even that has its sceptics.

I agree, Sirius. The challenge is basically to get all those interested who don't care about computers till now. If it works, they might be gaining a huge market segment --- if not, well, Apple has enough money to afford a failure.

Nice post Pandora. It brings to bare the old \"space age\" notion that technology is \"cool\" and simple and easy to use. \"Just push a button\".

..btw.. are we still in the space age?

Anyways, I think that author has a nice grip on what's going on in the market place.

Duper wrote:Nice post Pandora. It brings to bare the old "space age" notion that technology is "cool" and simple and easy to use. "Just push a button".

..btw.. are we still in the space age?

Anyways, I think that author has a nice grip on what's going on in the market place.

thought so, too, Duper. found the link at Daring Fireball, my favourite Mac Nerd site. He's a very critical fanboy
http://daringfireball.net/

Super-necro for a shameless foxtrot plug:

link

snoopy wrote:Super-necro for a shameless foxtrot plug:

link

I don't get Foxtrot. It has NEVER made me laugh. It's like the artist lives in a different world.

His older stuff was funny. A lot funnier than that last strip.

snoopy wrote:Super-necro for a shameless foxtrot plug:

link

Nice (I got it).

The cartoonist is portraying Steve Jobs doing his usual thing (whatever the new product is ... "It's going to save you" or "It is freaking awesome"...hype, hype) and in this case it's the iPad which does not (and apparently never will) support Flash (as in Adobe Flash) ... which brings us to the fourth frame ("Sorry, Flash, You're out of luck").

Yeah, the cartoonist has done funnier ones, but you're not gonna have a winner every time, right? (que the iPad...)

Xamindar wrote:I don't get Foxtrot. It has NEVER made me laugh. It's like the artist lives in a different world.

So, I'm gathering you don't live in the nerd/math geek world?

Kilarin wrote:

Xamindar wrote:I don't get Foxtrot. It has NEVER made me laugh. It's like the artist lives in a different world.

So, I'm gathering you don't live in the nerd/math geek world?

No, I live in the nerd/computer geek world. And the imeh and everything else Apple is from the "I want my computer to be an appliance instead of a computer and I sit at Starbucks and drink my coffee all day" world. Not for me at all. So yeah, that joke went right over my head. But now I remember the thing about it not supporting flash and the joke makes sense now.