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woodchip wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 10:13 amYes and republicans are pushing granny over a cliff too.

Granny will literally die if Republicans manage to take control and privatize critical healthcare services. This couldn't be any more plain to see. Insurance companies routinely deny lifesaving care to people for profit, and those that fall through the cracks are thankfully caught by medicare and medicaid, something Republicans explicitly want to remove. I'm currently grandfather age and rely on medicare so I'll never vote Republican ever again. I'm literally alive today because of government help for a sudden illness.

woodchip wrote:Yes and republicans are pushing granny over a cliff too.

Are you saying repealing coverage of pre-existing conditions wouldn't have catastrophic consequences for large numbers of real people? Or do you just not want to entertain the idea at all because you know it would?

You're siding with the bad guys, woodchip.

woodchip wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 7:13 am Conspiracy theories are like assholes...everyone has one. It is curious the last three assassination attempts have been against republicans, Scalise : Rand Paul, " I was there at the ballfield when Steven Scalise almost died from a very, very angry, violent man who was incited, really, by rhetoric on the left. And this hasn’t been reported enough: When he came on to the ball field with a semiautomatic weapon, firing probably close to 200 shots at us, shooting five people and almost killing Steve Scalise, he was yelling, “This is for health care!” He also had a list of conservative legislators — Republicans — in his pocket, that he was going to kill."
Why was he yelling about health care? Because the news was covering how people will die if the GOP had their way with a revised Obama era health care revision. Who was the shooter? Why a Bernie Sanders supporter. Another loonie lefty that thought the spray and pray method of shooting was the epitome of rifle marksmanship He also " after relentlessly pushing the Russia Collusion Hoax, a Bernie Bro who, just a few weeks prior had launched a Change.org petition under the title “Trump is a Traitor. Trump Has Destroyed Our Democracy. It’s Time to Destroy Trump & Co.,”
And our feckless FBI, how did they rule the shooting? Why as a suicide by cop. I could go on about the attempt on Kavanaugh and now Trump, but i notice one thing...it's not maga supporters attempting all this. So continue grasping at straws trying to paint Trump and his supporters as evil and Trump as Hitler (then make the statement, "Imagine if someone had eliminated Hitler back then") When in truth it is leftist commies that have murdered more people world wide than any other doctrine (I'd give figures but tough to find with google) Suffice to say neither form of govt. is desirable.

Most conspiracy theories have a small grain of truth, and I mean very small, or they wouldn't get going. I'll agree that the attempt was not "staged" for Trump's benefit. I mean, if the kid came close enough to almost hit Trump in the head, and was a bad shot to begin with, that would not be a person Trump could rely on the stage a fake assassination attempt. But why is it beyond your belief that the shooter in Trump's case was NOT Antifa or a leftie, but instead a pissed off conservative bent on saving the party? And there are a LOT of Republicans who hate Trump and believe he's destroyed the party who also refuse to vote for the man. This kid was staunchly conservative according to his classmates. His parents were conservative as well. He registered to vote at age 18 as a Republican. There are any number of reasons why he donated a measly $15 to some progressive cause, even including mistaking a spam email for something else.

https://news.yahoo.com/news/trump-shoot ... 03482.html

In fact, the Trump campaign, in 2016, created a secret database of likely Republican voters in the area, which included The Crooks.

https://www.channel4.com/news/revealed- ... ans-family

Make no mistake, I don't believe that violence towards any political figure is right or a solution in a Democratic Republic, even in Trump's case. If the guy dropped dead of a coronary, I'd probably throw a party though. In fact, this whole sordid episode has made Trump into a strongman hero and a Godly figure who survived death. His religious thralls are practically drooling over him as proof that Trump is favored by God. If Trump had actually been killed, he'd have become a martyr, an even worse situation for our election and our country, because his supporters would've gone apoplectic with rage. The kid obviously didn't think through the consequences of his actions, he was only 20 years old and most male brains aren't fully developed until age 25, and I'm theorizing he did it out of hate, but not for the reasons you think woody. Time and investigation will hopefully tell the tale, but with any loner, he may not have left very many clues.

As for Republicans being victims of assassination attempts, don't forget Democrat Gabby Gifford. She's still living with brain damage from her assault. There are also many recent physical assaults on congress people too. Most of these assaults aren't even politically motivated and occurred only because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. In Rand Paul's case, it was a neighbor fight over a lawn. In Alito's case, his neighbors took exception to his flying the American flag upside down outside his home in solidarity with the Jan. 6th insurrectionists. Don't forget, 3 liberal political figures were actually assassinated in the 1960's. JFK, RFK and Martin Luther King.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U ... _in_office

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_a ... oliticians

You know, there is no favored political party one way or another when someone decides to kill or assault. But now we have Trump, who's been bashing the left ever since he got into politics. Why? Because the far right loves it. YOU love it. Every rally, and I mean EVERY, he's done nothing but call the left names or blame them for our country's ills. He gets wild cheers for it and probably a boner, because sex and power are intertwined in the brain. In fact, Trump coins insulting nicknames for his opponents and enemies just to get a rise out of them. That sounds like a man who can't think of an intelligent way to debate the facts, so he comes up with derogatory nicknames like some kid school yard bully who's flunked class and has nothing better to do than assert his power. I really didn't vehemently hate Trump until he started running for president. I always thought he was a entitled rich buffoon. His shows were nothing but a demonstration of his ego and sucked. But it didn't take long to figure out he was a womanizer, racist, bully, egomaniac and a lying crook without principles. As he did more and more of his rallies antagonizing the left, his temperament, foul mouth, ego and vanity only showed that he was not fit to be elected to the office of president in a nation where there are more Independents and liberals than conservatives. After being president once, that's only been confirmed. He only wants to get back into power for revenge and the power it brings him, plain and simple.

Oh, and Biden called the Comperatore family to give them his condolences, although his wife refused to take the call. Trump hasn't even bothered to call her at all. No compassion for the man who took the bullet originally meant for him.

https://www.nj.com/politics/2024/07/tru ... s-why.html

That's typical. Nut carries guns into the state capitol and gets arrested a misdomeaner charge. Heaven forbid we have tougher laws for stuff like this.

This gets better. Apparently the authorities knew about an Iranian plot to kill Trump weeks before the rally. So why was the S.S. security zone for Trump so small and didn't include the building only yards from the podium?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-rec ... 024-07-16/

The cherry on top in that story was he came back after posting bond to do the same thing with a rifle.

Someone explain something to me. Trump stands up at the convention and claims that God saved him. What about that poor firefighter who died protecting his family and the other 2 wounded? Collateral damage?

Tunnelcat wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 8:40 pm Someone explain something to me. Trump stands up at the convention and claims that God saved him. What about that poor firefighter who died protecting his family and the other 2 wounded? Collateral damage?

This is one of those questions for which you won't get a straight answer because of different view points.

Vander wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 11:53 am

woodchip wrote:Yes and republicans are pushing granny over a cliff too.

Are you saying repealing coverage of pre-existing conditions wouldn't have catastrophic consequences for large numbers of real people? Or do you just not want to entertain the idea at all because you know it would?

You're siding with the bad guys, woodchip.

Perhaps you are being led by "A story" instead of the story. Candidate Trump "In his first address to Congress in 2017, Trump declared that his “first” principle in repealing and replacing Obamacare would be that “we should ensure that Americans with preexisting conditions have access to coverage.” Later that year, Republicans in the House of Representatives passed a Trump-backed bill to repeal and replace Obamacare, the American Health Care Act (AHCA), which included additional spending to protect Americans with pre-existing health conditions."
One of the reasons I started going to the local VA hospital is the ACA did away with Co-Pay insurance. Up until then I didn't have to pay for any medical care including surgeries and hospital stays. Just my 2 cents.

Tunnelcat wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 8:40 pm Someone explain something to me. Trump stands up at the convention and claims that God saved him. What about that poor firefighter who died protecting his family and the other 2 wounded? Collateral damage?

I can think of a couple of times God helped me out so I don't go around wondering why he did or didn't do something.

So God saves a conceited, ★■◆●, womanizing, liar, but kills a nice family man who needs to be around to support his family. That's no God I want to worship, because that's the devil. By the way, conceited Trump took days to call in his condolences the family of Mr. Compatore. Biden tried right away, although he was rebuffed.

woodchip wrote:Trump declared that his “first” principle in repealing and replacing Obamacare would be that “we should ensure that Americans with preexisting conditions have access to coverage.”

"Access" is doing the heavy lifting here. Before ACA everyone already had "access" to health insurance, you just needed to have enough money. The Republican plan that passed the House would've killed the mandate, cut the subsidies, and lowered the base quality of coverage. It allowed insurance companies to charge more for pre-existing conditions. The CBO estimated 25 million people would lose their health insurance if enacted, which, no ★■◆●. Lowering the quality, raising the price, and cutting the subsidies will do that.

ACA sucks, but it was by and large an improvement on what came before.

But whatever, Trump said everyone would have the best healthcare, and he never lies. I'm sure those 25 million people would've been fine.

In the U.S., even money doesn't help our lousy capitalist health care system give better care and outcomes.

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/cha ... countries/

TBH the lack of public information about the motives of this shooter is... weird. Right?

I'm figuring it will come out in time. But as it stands now, it's honestly giving me impressions of AN ASSASSIN (or purposeful missed shot) WHO'S HISTORY HAS BEEN SCRUBBED.
I hear there's countless conspiracy theorys about it already - so i'll assume that's a major one, meh whatevs.

The fact this kid didn't seem noteworthy is what alarms me. You'd think trying to assassinate an ex-president would LEAVE SOME IDEOLOGICAL MARKS IN SOMEONE'S HISTORY.
What the ★■◆●? Either this is fishy, or i'm about to learn something again about how the world works (don't worry, it happens every few hrs).

roid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 4:54 am TBH the lack of public information about the motives of this shooter is... weird. Right?

I'm figuring it will come out in time. But as it stands now, it's honestly giving me impressions of AN ASSASSIN (or purposeful missed shot) WHO'S HISTORY HAS BEEN SCRUBBED.
I hear there's countless conspiracy theorys about it already - so i'll assume that's a major one, meh whatevs.

The fact this kid didn't seem noteworthy is what alarms me. You'd think trying to assassinate an ex-president would LEAVE SOME IDEOLOGICAL MARKS IN SOMEONE'S HISTORY.
What the ★■◆●? Either this is fishy, or i'm about to learn something again about how the world works (don't worry, it happens every few hrs).

Kinda like Oswald was killed while in police custody by Jack Ruby. Dead men tell no tales eh.

roid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 4:54 am TBH the lack of public information about the motives of this shooter is... weird. Right?

I'm figuring it will come out in time. But as it stands now, it's honestly giving me impressions of AN ASSASSIN (or purposeful missed shot) WHO'S HISTORY HAS BEEN SCRUBBED.
I hear there's countless conspiracy theorys about it already - so i'll assume that's a major one, meh whatevs.

The fact this kid didn't seem noteworthy is what alarms me. You'd think trying to assassinate an ex-president would LEAVE SOME IDEOLOGICAL MARKS IN SOMEONE'S HISTORY.
What the ★■◆●? Either this is fishy, or i'm about to learn something again about how the world works (don't worry, it happens every few hrs).

The explanation is dead simple: They don't want to make him famous.

Maybe he did want infamy. He was apparently Googling a bunch of different politicians from both parties. Searching for targets? It turned out that Trump's rally happened to be close to his home and outdoors. But the one search the FBI zeroed in on was his search for the distance between Oswald and JFK. I'll bet he practiced target shooting at that range too.

As far as I can tell, this basically looks like a school shooting with a higher value target.

With all the ammo that the kid brought and the bombs in his car, there is a theory that he really wanted to do a mass killing event.

Who could have seen that coming?

You ★■◆● about the left wing media woody, but Rueters just fact checked and debunked an old 2022 Trump photo going around now that claims no ear wound. Yet no kudos from you. BTW, my husband had his ear torn in a car accident. I could clearly see the white cartilage of his ear through the tear in his skin. Cartilage does not regrow either, so if Trump had a chunk of it taken out by that bullet, it'll leave a notch in his ear for the rest of his life. But he's too vain to even show a little flesh wound like the proud MAGA soldier he is, so I'm sure he'll get a little plastic surgery to make it look all perfect. You know, like his ★■◆●ing hair, at least from his perspective.

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/phot ... 024-07-19/