I was wondering what all of your opinions are on it. I know everyone has their own point of view. Go...
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:43 pm
by Duper
I've known about this very thing for a couple of weeks now. It's got me concerned. I've been praying a lot.
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:57 am
by Krom
No taxes without representation!
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:13 pm
by Duper
A new world order won't care about old cliches.
...\"old cliche\"... is that redundant?
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:53 pm
by Sniper
I'm surprised that this video hasn't gotten more attention. So am I to assume that what these guys are saying in this video is all true? Certainly someone must have a counter-opinion to all this.
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:15 pm
by Nightshade
Alex Jones is a well known alarmist. Yes, a number of things governments are doing are scary but they aren't as bad as he puts them out to be.
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:15 pm
by Pandora
didn't watch it because I really dislike these news via youtube and because it is Lord Monckton --- he's somewhat of a nutter, known for faking his admission to the british house of lords, etc.
If you could give me a summary of what he is claiming?
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:23 pm
by Sniper
The claim is that this new treaty in Copenhagen is disguised as a \"save the earth\" treaty but in reality it's a \"give the UN ultimate power and control\" leading to the UN becoming the next world power and government in one way or another.
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Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:24 pm
by Sniper
ThunderBunny wrote:Alex Jones is a well known alarmist.
I think he's a part of a group that firmly believes that "9/11" was an inside govt. job too.
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Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:30 pm
by Pandora
Sniper wrote:The claim is that this new treaty in Copenhagen is disguised as a "save the earth" treaty but in reality it's a "give the UN ultimate power and control" leading to the UN becoming the next world power and government in one way or another.
told you he was a nutter
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Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:42 pm
by Sniper
Pandora wrote:
Sniper wrote:The claim is that this new treaty in Copenhagen is disguised as a "save the earth" treaty but in reality it's a "give the UN ultimate power and control" leading to the UN becoming the next world power and government in one way or another.
told you he was a nutter
Ok, it does sound absurd, but you have to admit that just because something sounds bizarre doesn't make it untrue, right? There has to be better reason for people not to believe in this other than because he's a nutter, right?
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:46 pm
by Pandora
For something this absurd, I'd like to see some *very* convincing evidence. And if it comes from someone who has been caught lying several times already, and who might have - in my humble psychologigist's opinion - a personality disorder, I am very, very skeptical. Is there any evidence to back that up?
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:48 pm
by Spidey
So some nutcase said that “climate change” is a power grab…so have a gazillion other people…who are not nuts.
(including me)
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Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:57 pm
by Sniper
Pandora wrote:For something this absurd, I'd like to see some *very* convincing evidence. And if it comes from someone who has been caught lying several times already, and who might have - in my humble psychologigist's opinion - a personality disorder, I am very, very skeptical. Is there any evidence to back that up?
No no, you're right on. I'm looking for convincing evidence, either way, myself. I was hoping someone here had already went down this path and could've provided some. Ok, back to the data mining
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 5:08 pm
by Pandora
Spidey, there is a difference between what you say and what Lord Monckton says. Its a sad fact of politics that somebody will try to make a power grip out of any problem, crisis, whatever. But using Copenhagen to establish one world government, come on, I don't think you would say that.
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sorry Alpha. I don't get it. I was saying that it's a PDF file and not a site. I assume you are making a pun but I don't know the ref.
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Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:47 pm
by Isaac
AlphaDoG wrote:
Duper wrote:UNFCCCP (DF)
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Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:55 pm
by Pandora
I think he means the CCCP in there
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 4:45 pm
by Duper
er.. no.
UNFCCC = United Nations Convention on Climate Change.
wait. oh.. Duh!
Ok.. little slow today.
Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 1:36 pm
by SilverFJ
Told you so.
Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 3:19 pm
by Ferno
cccp = soviet russia.
Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:12 pm
by Duper
yeah. I know. It just took a while as it had been years since I'd seen it.
...told us what?
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:42 pm
by Tunnelcat
Creating fear is how people are manipulated. This apropos little statement by none other than Carl Rove, applies equally to any and all fear mongering you hear out in the world, no matter who's spouting the words:
\"Tell a lie long enough and loud enough and it becomes the truth\"
Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:51 pm
by Duper
I think Hitler said something along those lines.
iirc, (on the techinical side of that) it takes about 21 repetitions before a person is programed. (+/- depending on the individual)
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:55 pm
by Sniper
tunnelcat wrote:"Tell a lie long enough and loud enough and it becomes the truth"
A perceived truth told long enough was not necessarily a lie.
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:34 pm
by Lothar
tunnelcat wrote:This apropos little statement by none other than Carl Rove...
"Tell a lie long enough and loud enough and it becomes the truth"
As far as I can tell, Karl Rove didn't say that. It looks like someone took a Hitler quote, slightly modified it, and attributed it to Karl Rove. Which ever so perfectly illustrates the principle -- someone lied to you about the source of the quote, and you believed it.
Corollary: fact-check and you'll make it harder for people to make lies into truth.
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:44 am
by Gooberman
Lothar wrote:
tunnelcat wrote:This apropos little statement by none other than Carl Rove...
"Tell a lie long enough and loud enough and it becomes the truth"
As far as I can tell, Karl Rove didn't say that. It looks like someone took a Hitler quote, slightly modified it, and attributed it to Karl Rove. Which ever so perfectly illustrates the principle -- someone lied to you about the source of the quote, and you believed it.
Corollary: fact-check and you'll make it harder for people to make lies into truth.
Looks like your mixing your Hitler and your Stalin.
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:41 am
by Duper
Gooberman wrote:
Lothar wrote:
tunnelcat wrote:This apropos little statement by none other than Carl Rove...
"Tell a lie long enough and loud enough and it becomes the truth"
As far as I can tell, Karl Rove didn't say that. It looks like someone took a Hitler quote, slightly modified it, and attributed it to Karl Rove. Which ever so perfectly illustrates the principle -- someone lied to you about the source of the quote, and you believed it.
Corollary: fact-check and you'll make it harder for people to make lies into truth.
Looks like your mixing your Hitler and your Stalin.
HEYYY!!!
YOU got Chocolate in my Peanut butter!
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:51 pm
by Lothar
Gooberman wrote:Looks like your mixing your Hitler and your Stalin. :)
Actually it looks even more interesting than that:
Hitler spoke of it in Mein Kampf, but not in those words. Goebbels, too, said something similar. But it was actually a US intelligence assessment of Hitler that seems to be closest:
people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it
The line never seems to appear in conjunction with Stalin, at least as far as I can tell.
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:27 pm
by Tunnelcat
You guys are right. I've seen references to Hitler, Joseph Goebbels and Karl Rove concerning this statement, so it's got murky origins. Funny how things get lost in history. Sorry about that. But it seems to be an appropriate statement when it concerns a general population and government, political or corporate propaganda methods used to sway people's opinions.
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:36 pm
by Gooberman
Lothar wrote:
Gooberman wrote:Looks like your mixing your Hitler and your Stalin.
Actually it looks even more interesting than that:
Hitler spoke of it in Mein Kampf, but not in those words. Goebbels, too, said something similar. But it was actually a US intelligence assessment of Hitler that seems to be closest:
people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it
The line never seems to appear in conjunction with Stalin, at least as far as I can tell.
Ah, I thought you were continuing the Joke. Most often I have seen it attributed to Vladimir Lenin, "A lie told often enough becomes the truth", but with that quote, any name is fitting.
