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Lost In Space

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:59 pm
by flip
Bernardo Patti, head of the space station program at the European Space Agency (ESA), told The Guardian: "China is a big country. It is a powerful country, and they are getting richer and richer. They want to establish themselves as key players in the international arena."

"They have decided politically that they want to be autonomous, and that is their call. They must have had some political evaluation that suggests this option is better than the others, and I would think autonomy is the key word."
Well it seems China feels they are strong enough to go it alone, seeing as how they were the only ones not to go along. I see and hear nothing of how big a threat China is to our way of life and that seems more ominous to me than China itself. I don't get it.

Re: Lost In Space

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:03 pm
by Top Gun
And how is China a threat, exactly?

Re: Lost In Space

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:06 pm
by flip
Ask Greece. Greece was one of only a few true democracies left one earth, if the only one. I'm betting things are gonna change big time for those in Greece now and sudden, rash change is a huge threat.

Re: Lost In Space

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:22 am
by flip
Maybe I was looking to far down the road with Greece :). Here's a timeline from our friends at the CFR. Considering China's history and their growing dominance, I damn sure don't want them to be the most prominent power in the sky.

http://www.cfr.org/china/us-relations-c ... ent/p17698

Re: Lost In Space

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:27 am
by flip
http://www.cfr.org/region/china/ri271

Seems the Council on Foreign Relations has it's own reservations.

Re: Lost In Space

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:29 am
by flip
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ ... hina-wants
As a connoisseur of fine diplomacy, Henry Kissinger finds a lot of it to admire in China. His new book, cast as a history of Chinese foreign policy, traces the twists and turns of Chinese strategy since the establishment of the People's Republic in 1949, quoting liberally from his numerous conversations with Chinese leaders. But On China is really neither history nor memoir. Its purpose is to argue that the United States should yield gracefully to China's rise in order to avoid a tragic conflict.
Aaron Friedberg gives the opposite advice. A Princeton professor and former foreign policy adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney, he analyzes the strategies that China and the United States have used in dealing with each other since the early 1990s and tries to decipher China's intentions in the coming decades. In the face of growing Chinese power and ambition, the United States, he argues, must stand strong in those many areas in which China's interests are adverse to its own. Together, the two books offer a window onto the strategic split over China among mainstream Republicans.
Very interesting read.

Re: Lost In Space

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:37 am
by Dakatsu
I find them a threat simply because they are a growing force in the world that is not democratic.

I wouldn't care if say the European Union, Brazil, or Japan were the new superpower to replace the United States, but the issue is that China is not a democratic nation, and I feel that they should not have legitimate power. While I feel that they are becoming more liberal and enacting reforms, they are nonetheless similar to the Soviet Union; an oligarchy.