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This semester I graduate with dual bachelor's degrees from the University of Montana in the fields of anthropology and history, I'm an expert on the Middle East primarily concerning fundamentalist Islamic terrorism and its impact on the Levant. I speak fluent Arabic, hold seven academic commendations and am a UofM credentialed scholar. I begin my master's degree relating to Central, Southwest Asian and North African Counterterrorism in 2024.

I figured you would all still be in here arguing about stuff.
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Hey ya FJ.

Can you translate what the crowds are chanting? It sounds like:
“Ha, hoe-hey! Hoe he hoe ha hoe hay!” and they keep repeating it. What does it mean and why do they blow people up over a religion and a human made god figure?

Ha, hoe-hey! Hoe he hoe ha hoe hey!

TheWhat wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:31 pm Can you translate what the crowds are chanting? It sounds like:
“Ha, hoe-hey! Hoe he hoe ha hoe hay!” and they keep repeating it. What does it mean and why do they blow people up over a religion and a human made god figure?

Ha, hoe-hey! Hoe he hoe ha hoe hey!

Given that the "H" and "L" often merge together in Arabic, the syllabic length of your description, and this just being a random guess as I don't know what crowd you're referring to I think they're probably actually saying "h'la ailha ih lla allah" = "there is no god but Allah" which is usually accompanied with "and his messenger is Muhammad", or "wa muhammadan rasul allah".

This statement, known as the "shahada", is key to the Muslim faith as it is the religion's conversion words I.E one says in earnesty and is then Muslim. It's one of the most common phrases in Islam and used for virtually everything including Muslim unity in protest, and is the statement one can find on both the Isis and Saudi Arabian flags.

People blow up over God figures all over the place whether they are of a religious Institution or the Intelligentsia of socialist movements, however fundamentalists are raised from birth to believe their religion and subsequently every single thing in life is framed in that context. While you were taught science and math and philosophy as a kid, many of these Muslim children learn only the Quran until they're about 12. Indoctrination is very real, and when the foundation is laid that early and that heavily and that uniformly you get explosive crowds at the very least in traumatic times.

TigerRaptor wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:05 pmHey ya FJ.

What up holmes

SilverFJ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2023 8:35 pm This semester I graduate with dual bachelor's degrees from the University of Montana in the fields of anthropology and history, I'm an expert on the Middle East primarily concerning fundamentalist Islamic terrorism and its impact on the Levant. I speak fluent Arabic, hold seven academic commendations and am a UofM credentialed scholar. I begin my master's degree relating to Central, Southwest Asian and North African Counterterrorism in 2024.

I figured you would all still be in here arguing about stuff.
https://ibb.co/7kY4SWV

Congratulations on that achievement! You dove in to some of the deepest waters known to man!
Don’t let any of the three letters entities hijack you….or if one of them already has watch your back and keep your bug out bag well regulated.

SilverFJ, long time no see. Good to hear from you. Glad to have someone knowledgeable on the Middle East for once.

Hey Bro, good to read your posts again.

SilverFJ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 8:35 am Given that the "H" and "L" often merge together in Arabic, the syllabic length of your description, and this just being a random guess as I don't know what crowd you're referring to I think they're probably actually saying "h'la ailha ih lla allah" = "there is no god but Allah" which is usually accompanied with "and his messenger is Muhammad", or "wa muhammadan rasul allah".

This statement, known as the "shahada", is key to the Muslim faith as it is the religion's conversion words I.E one says in earnesty and is then Muslim. It's one of the most common phrases in Islam and used for virtually everything including Muslim unity in protest, and is the statement one can find on both the Isis and Saudi Arabian flags.

I thank you for the attempt at an explanation. Very informative. I don't know if this helps but it's kinda like this. It sounds like a bunch of drunk Joe Rogan fans chanting "USA! USA!" and you're like what the ★■◆● does that even mean and why are you getting whooped up into a frenzy you psycho?

Congratulations.

TheWhat wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 3:14 pm

SilverFJ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 8:35 am Given that the "H" and "L" often merge together in Arabic, the syllabic length of your description, and this just being a random guess as I don't know what crowd you're referring to I think they're probably actually saying "h'la ailha ih lla allah" = "there is no god but Allah" which is usually accompanied with "and his messenger is Muhammad", or "wa muhammadan rasul allah".

This statement, known as the "shahada", is key to the Muslim faith as it is the religion's conversion words I.E one says in earnesty and is then Muslim. It's one of the most common phrases in Islam and used for virtually everything including Muslim unity in protest, and is the statement one can find on both the Isis and Saudi Arabian flags.

I thank you for the attempt at an explanation. Very informative. I don't know if this helps but it's kinda like this. It sounds like a bunch of drunk Joe Rogan fans chanting "USA! USA!" and you're like what the ★■◆● does that even mean and why are you getting whooped up into a frenzy you psycho?

Is that the song the Dwarve's sang in Snow White ( original, not the woke piece of crap)

TheWhat wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:31 pm Can you translate what the crowds are chanting? It sounds like:
“Ha, hoe-hey! Hoe he hoe ha hoe hay!” and they keep repeating it. What does it mean and why do they blow people up over a religion and a human made god figure?

Ha, hoe-hey! Hoe he hoe ha hoe hey!

I also wanted to add something else to my last statement, and I didn't think it would be as articulate in text:



TL;DW It's not just religion; it's everything

Will Robinson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:33 am

SilverFJ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2023 8:35 pm This semester I graduate with dual bachelor's degrees from the University of Montana in the fields of anthropology and history, I'm an expert on the Middle East primarily concerning fundamentalist Islamic terrorism and its impact on the Levant. I speak fluent Arabic, hold seven academic commendations and am a UofM credentialed scholar. I begin my master's degree relating to Central, Southwest Asian and North African Counterterrorism in 2024.

I figured you would all still be in here arguing about stuff.
https://ibb.co/7kY4SWV

Congratulations on that achievement! You dove in to some of the deepest waters known to man!
Don’t let any of the three letters entities hijack you….or if one of them already has watch your back and keep your bug out bag well regulated.

Hey thanks! In my dreams one of those agencies would approach me however I most likely going to be headed for the Peace Corps.

I remember you SilverFJ from many years ago. I may have been a MeatPuppet, a {DmC}Meat, a TheCops, or a god knows what that week. But I remember your name.

Here’s the deal; I’m not an expert on the Middle East but I’m not the block head I’m portraying. I just think it’s funny to hear chanting as meter and timbre and not as words beyond shape. That’s what all that he ho ha ho hey bull★■◆● is about.

What’s really fascinating is that ISIL was Sunni slaughtering Shite like some methed out SS troops invading France running on speed and willingness to die for nothing - and now 5 years later they’re all buddies again to kill the “insects” that are lower than you but you’re not quite as bad but eventually when these are gone we’re going to exterminate you from the Levant but for now we’re buddies.

Ho he ho havho hey!!

TheWhat wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 5:19 pm I remember you SilverFJ from many years ago. I may have been a MeatPuppet, a {DmC}Meat, a TheCops, or a god knows what that week. But I remember your name.

Here’s the deal; I’m not an expert on the Middle East but I’m not the block head I’m portraying. I just think it’s funny to hear chanting as meter and timbre and not as words beyond shape. That’s what all that he ho ha ho hey bull★■◆● is about.

What’s really fascinating is that ISIL was Sunni slaughtering Shite like some methed out SS troops invading France running on speed and willingness to die for nothing - and now 5 years later they’re all buddies again to kill the “insects” that are lower than you but you’re not quite as bad but eventually when these are gone we’re going to exterminate you from the Levant but for now we’re buddies.

Ho he ho havho hey!!

Hey I remember you too. I think we got into it because I developed a drug problem. I don't quite remember I joined this board when I was 14 years old now I'm 37. To quote president Curtis "we've come a long way and buried a lot more than nuts."

And yeah, money and power determine who is enemies with who, I find it's hardly ever ethnic or religious reasons in the long run just convenient tools for the wealthy to manipulate the poor with. Hamas doesn't operate in Gaza, they live in seven star hotels in Qatar. Hamas is a pyramid scheme where the people at the bottom blow themselves up and the people at the top eat caviar.

Tunnelcat wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:26 am SilverFJ, long time no see. Good to hear from you. Glad to have someone knowledgeable on the Middle East for once.

Hey you too. But I have to agree with the socratic statement, the more I learn about the Middle East the more I realize I knew less than I did.

Here's a question: What would likely happen if Israel tried to 'wipe clean' the entire Gaza strip (as suggested by a certain poster here). What would be the international response to this attempt at mass genocide?

Darth Wang wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 6:13 pm Here's a question: What would likely happen if Israel tried to 'wipe clean' the entire Gaza strip (as suggested by a certain poster here). What would be the international response to this attempt at mass genocide?

This is an enormous question with a huge answer that might take another video let me make up some notes and get back to you, but it's going to be about geopolitics and the fact that Hamas is only one of Iran's proxy satellites.

Hey, slut.

Good read, I'll have to come back to this again to parse it more thoroughly.

Yo, I remember you Silver, I was probably an ★■◆● back then (and still am, just older). Good to see you!

TheWhat wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 3:14 pm

I don't know what you are referencing in this pic. Is this the meter for Eine kleine Nachtmusik but turned into the worst drinking song ever?

I tried to find examples of it on the internet. I couldn't. I'm not trying to turn this into high school drum line lessons but that's the rhythm they are using to chant. I don't know if they are chanting "death to zionists, america, that's a damn fine glass of wine, let's skip the army and go after people in small villages with automatic weapons" ho he ho ha ho hey or what, but that's the rhythm I always hear.

Darth Wang wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 6:13 pm Here's a question: What would likely happen if Israel tried to 'wipe clean' the entire Gaza strip (as suggested by a certain poster here). What would be the international response to this attempt at mass genocide?

I think that depends on how much the other countries surrounding Israel react to a major invasion and dislocation of the Northern Gaza Palestinians. I've heard that none of the neighboring countries want Palestinian refugees to come into their countries, especially Egypt. No one wants them. So does Israel force more of them into the smaller area of Southern Gaza, like they're doing now, try to destroy Hamas, then leave the resulting mess for the Palestinians to return to, wash, rinse, repeat and nothing's changed? Or do they stay and annex the area as part of Israel? I'm guessing that's what Netanyahu wants and what he sees as the best solution to the Palestinian problem, southern Gaza next. I see the annexation option of Gaza as the start of all out local war as the surrounding countries send into Israel their terrorist proxies to fight. But the question is, will these countries like Iran, Syria, Jordan, etc. settle with attacking Israel using only their proxies, or do they get fully involved and send in their own actual troops and equipment? Do they have the desire to get fully involved? That's the question and they have to weigh that decision knowing we and probably NATO will back Israel no matter what.

Tunnelcat wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 10:30 pm

Darth Wang wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 6:13 pm Here's a question: What would likely happen if Israel tried to 'wipe clean' the entire Gaza strip (as suggested by a certain poster here). What would be the international response to this attempt at mass genocide?

I think that depends on how much the other countries surrounding Israel react to a major invasion and dislocation of the Northern Gaza Palestinians. I've heard that none of the neighboring countries want Palestinian refugees to come into their countries, especially Egypt. No one wants them. So does Israel force more of them into the smaller area of Southern Gaza, like they're doing now, try to destroy Hamas, then leave the resulting mess for the Palestinians to return to, wash, rinse, repeat and nothing's changed? Or do they stay and annex the area as part of Israel? I'm guessing that's what Netanyahu wants and what he sees as the best solution to the Palestinian problem, southern Gaza next. I see the annexation option of Gaza as the start of all out local war as the surrounding countries send into Israel their terrorist proxies to fight. But the question is, will these countries like Iran, Syria, Jordan, etc. settle with attacking Israel using only their proxies, or do they get fully involved and send in their own actual troops and equipment? Do they have the desire to get fully involved? That's the question and they have to weigh that decision knowing we and probably NATO will back Israel no matter what.

The big question is at what point does Israel use the 90+ nukes they have and to prevent that will the US send in troops?

woodchip wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 12:18 pm

Tunnelcat wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 10:30 pm

Darth Wang wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 6:13 pm Here's a question: What would likely happen if Israel tried to 'wipe clean' the entire Gaza strip (as suggested by a certain poster here). What would be the international response to this attempt at mass genocide?

I think that depends on how much the other countries surrounding Israel react to a major invasion and dislocation of the Northern Gaza Palestinians. I've heard that none of the neighboring countries want Palestinian refugees to come into their countries, especially Egypt. No one wants them. So does Israel force more of them into the smaller area of Southern Gaza, like they're doing now, try to destroy Hamas, then leave the resulting mess for the Palestinians to return to, wash, rinse, repeat and nothing's changed? Or do they stay and annex the area as part of Israel? I'm guessing that's what Netanyahu wants and what he sees as the best solution to the Palestinian problem, southern Gaza next. I see the annexation option of Gaza as the start of all out local war as the surrounding countries send into Israel their terrorist proxies to fight. But the question is, will these countries like Iran, Syria, Jordan, etc. settle with attacking Israel using only their proxies, or do they get fully involved and send in their own actual troops and equipment? Do they have the desire to get fully involved? That's the question and they have to weigh that decision knowing we and probably NATO will back Israel no matter what.

The big question is at what point does Israel use the 90+ nukes they have

Never, if they have any sense at all. No one 'wins' a nuclear war except for the cockroaches.

It is a common misconception that cockroaches can survive the nuclear apocalypse. They would not.

woodchip wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 12:18 pmThe big question is at what point does Israel use the 90+ nukes they have and to prevent that will the US send in troops?

Israel is now threatening to wipe Iran and Lebanon off the face of the earth. You can bet they won't be using tanks and soldiers to do it either. The countdown to WWIII just got closer.

https://www.newsweek.com/israeli-offici ... th-1836738

Translation:

One person said something.

You hear these kinds of threats coming from a number of idiots on a daily basis.

If you listen to the idiots in Russia or NK we would all be dead long ago.

Tunnelcat wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:00 pm

woodchip wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 12:18 pmThe big question is at what point does Israel use the 90+ nukes they have and to prevent that will the US send in troops?

Israel is now threatening to wipe Iran and Lebanon off the face of the earth. You can bet they won't be using tanks and soldiers to do it either. The countdown to WWIII just got closer.

https://www.newsweek.com/israeli-offici ... th-1836738

And now The Chi-Coms have 6 warships in the middle east https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ch ... r-AA1iFf6N. WW3 is even closer. And Hezbollah may be facing the same nukes.

Sorry guys ran into some moving snags and my cat just died so I'm taking care of it I'll be back soon

Don't rush...just do what needs to be done.

woodchip wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:05 am

Tunnelcat wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:00 pm

woodchip wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 12:18 pmThe big question is at what point does Israel use the 90+ nukes they have and to prevent that will the US send in troops?

Israel is now threatening to wipe Iran and Lebanon off the face of the earth. You can bet they won't be using tanks and soldiers to do it either. The countdown to WWIII just got closer.

https://www.newsweek.com/israeli-offici ... th-1836738

And now The Chi-Coms have 6 warships in the middle east https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ch ... r-AA1iFf6N. WW3 is even closer. And Hezbollah may be facing the same nukes.

And the Chinese are using those ships to be aggressive in the South China Sea as well. Biden claims he will defend the Philippines at all cost. WWIII just got a little bit closer and you have no solution, other than ★■◆● about those aggressive Chi-coms and how it's all Biden's fault, not Trump's. Well, between Covid, right wing propaganda fomenting tons of U.S. China hate and Trump leading the charge, here we are. Take some ★■◆●ing responsibility for once.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/22/asia/sou ... index.html