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Vander

I understand inflation and interest rates aren’t really in a Presidents tool box but you would think they could have looked at polling and seen border and crime and economy should have been addressed every time she had a chance to talk. Instead she hid out in the locker room during the 2nd and 3rd q ...

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I watched Harris and Trump a lot on every media source I could find and the subject matter was very light and vague from Harris compared to Trump. He may be a douche but he articulates his individual intentions in a description of specific actions. She worked hard to avoid any definitive ...

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They tried to lean on identity politics and fringe social issues that have insignificant importance to the 150 million or so voters in the country.

This is like the opposite of what happened.

Vander

When was the last time democrats delivered on what they proposed? Off the top of my head: The biggest recently in terms of impact was probably the medicaid expansion in the ACA. The most recent was the IRA which included large health subsidies, and also would've kept in place the Covid era expanded ...

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truly both parties are guilty of the wealth and power being transitioned upwards. When was the last time Republicans proposed to raise taxes on the rich, or to provide some meaningful benefit/support/service to the poor? Raise minimum wages? Or really anything to attempt to rein in instead of ...

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Will Robinson wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:00 pm Careful there, you are describing both heads of the Hydra that lords over us.

Yes, because Elizabeth Warren and Marsha Blackburn are basically the same.

Vander

Best case is some ghoul who makes mendacious, bad faith arguments about liberty and responsibility in an effort to expand corruption and accelerate the distribution of wealth upwards. Worst case is some ghoul who makes mendacious, bad faith arguments about how our blood is being poisoned by dark ...

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I'm saying that I'd give the same broadly applicable advice, not that I don't recognize that there can be a different calculus.

Vander

I get the enormous stakes, but they are multiplied by astronomically tiny probabilities of your vote determining the election. Sure, individual votes are mostly a drop in an ocean, but doesn't the act of discussing voting strategy assume some level of attempted persuasion of other voters? In a non ...

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But how do you incentivize candidates to not drift toward the center after a primary election using primary elections? For the most part, I think it's just something that you have to accept is likely to happen. It's a compromise for the voter, and I'm not saying it isn't. I'm just trying to ...

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Anyone who doesn't vote for Democrats no matter what they say or do can take credit. Sanders attracted a block of primary voters which translated to power within the party. After he lost the primary, he endorsed and campaigned for Clinton. His ability to bring most his voters along with him to ...

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What do you mean by "to keep them on side"? Does that not ultimately reduce to, to keep them voting for Democrats in general elections? Yes? When a large faction in the party signals in the primary that they want this changed, often explicitly, and the party is responsive to some extent, I don't ...

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If I recall, ~80% of Sanders primary voters voted for Clinton in the general, and there were a lot more Sanders > Trump voters than Sanders > third party voters. I remember reporting around that time that there were more Clinton > Not Obama voters in 2008 than Sanders > Not Clinton voters in 2016 ...

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I think everyone should vote like they're in a swing state. After their 2016 loss, they reduced (but did not eliminate) the power of superdelegates in their nomination process. That change cannot be attributed to the outcome of a primary election. I'm not sure how you can say this, since it paths ...

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*Every* election the DBB lambasts everyone who votes third party, because *this* election is the most important election ever, and yet every election the DBB, who already votes for the Democrat no matter what they say or do, can't understand why the Democratic Party won't represent their actual ...

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On another note, I had asked this before but since trump will be president again and has the senate and maybe the house, could he rewrite the law saying people can become presidents more than 2 terms? I'm scared he will try and succeed I would say no, as the 22nd amendment is pretty clear, but the ...

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I want to know... I wanted to know... I mean, I guess it's ultimately the candidate's job to find a way to deliver these answers to your consciousness. Simply putting them on the campaign website apparently wasn't enough in this case. Vander seems to think the only option is to compare and choose ...

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Spidey wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 11:42 am Well for one...the inability to win over people like me.

What, in your opinion, was worse about Harris relative to Trump?

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Spidey wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 9:17 am Never underestimate fielding a bad candidate.

In your opinion, what made her a worse candidate than Trump?

Vander

Last week, yes. Mail ballots are great, and every state should have the option.

Vander

Nice...wishing bad on total strangers from a natural disaster...very classy. 100%. Your average MAGA chud isn't without agency, but they're ultimately the useful idiots of the financial interests that fund the right wing media they consume. For most, their biggest fault is believing that liars are ...

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Some Holds Barred.

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Tunnelcat wrote:As for the ideals being just Likud's, no they are not. I'm sure a lot of Israelis harbor the same wishes, although a little more privately. They did vote the Likud Party back into power after all.

I was implying something a little closer to home.

Vander

Tunnelcat wrote:the U.S. certainly has no control over Bibi and the Likud Party's ideals.

We provide them the material support to turn those ideals into actions. We defend those actions politically and militarily. Are you confident they're just the ideals of Netanyahu and Likud?

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woodchip wrote:Coming from you Vander, a surprisingly ignorant statement. You do know Arabs are living Israel?

I'm not sure how that knowledge isn't a prerequisite for what I said, much less in opposition to it.

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Spidey wrote:And no, I don't believe there will be a negotiated peace any time soon.

I also believe this, because Israel's goal isn't peace, it's a land without Arabs.

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I think it's funny that speculation on woodchip's next driveby turned this thread on an attempted assassination into a discussion of middle east current events.

Vander

Is pointing that this is terrorism considered antisemitic yet?

Vander

The most moral terrorists.

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woodchip wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 6:42 am I'd suggest the real thugs, the real terrorists are the liberals and the leftist who want to control a election, not thru the ballot box but by murdering a candidate.

Yes, why won't liberals stop trying to murder famous election results respecter Donald J. Trump?

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Spidey wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2024 11:27 am How does the inference that Harris and Obama are the same person constitute misogyny?

I'd say it's an inference that she, like Obama, is black. The misogyny is calling her a Ho.

Vander

Right off hand, how about creating the industrial might to defeat the Nazis. I think Russian winters, millions of Soviets, and Hitler's warped view of reality that didn't match actual reality did more to break the Nazis than our ownership class, who weren't always without Nazi sympathies. Without ...

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What even is "rich?" 10 million dollars in wealth? 100 million? A billion?

What benefits to society are achieved by allowing an individual to accumulate 1 billion dollars in wealth as opposed to, say, 100 million dollars? It's an honest question, because I can't think of any.

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You've insinuated that the media I consume treats "the rich" like an enemy in a comparable way to how a media outlet like Breitbart treats their targets like an enemy.

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Spidey, when I complain about the power and influence wealth has on our system, it's an actual real thing. It's observable. We can actually discuss our different opinions about it. How do you have such a discussion with someone that says teachers everywhere are giving little boys blow job lessons ...

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No more foolish than creating such a straw man in the first place.

Vander

Yes, believing wealth inequality is too great is basically the same as believing teachers and librarians are predators grooming children for sexual abuse.

There's a difference between opponent and enemy.

Vander

Spidey wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 5:10 pm And where do you get your opinions from?

My own curated information bubble that isn't actively trying to get me to view my fellow citizens has the enemy.

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woodchip could mostly be replaced by a bot that posts the headline and first paragraph of a random Breitbart article a couple times a week and replies with a random paragraph from a different Breitbart article.

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