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Sirius

I did actually like UT3, but I'm not about to pretend it was the most influential or greatest achievement in any way. Most people point to UT99 for that, although my favorite in the series is U1 by quite some distance. I still have copies of all of the games, but yeah, removing them from sale is a ...

Sirius

Those haven't been running for many years. Usually the best place to find D2 games these days is through Discord - from what I've seen the Rangers play that game more than anyone else does, though there are some broader community games elsewhere from time to time.

Sirius

To build a level, that would be Anthology without a doubt - looking at the timestamps of the various work-in-progress files, it seems to have taken a little over two years.

Sirius

Xfing wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:29 am What probably wasn't a good decision is the shot-leading AI, something that rightly didn't make a return in Overload.

I could swear I saw Mike Kulas talking about implementing exactly this. They may have tuned it to difficulty better, though.

Sirius

For D1/D2, I would recommend Discord. You can occasionally get lucky and spot games on one of the trackers, but if you want to arrange games when they're not already running, it's probably the best way to find someone. This server is your best bet (there are also a few D3 players there!): https ...

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Umm... so there is already a fairly well-known D2 campaign that uses the filename entropy.hog: http://www.enspiar.com/dmdb/viewMission.php?id=212
Wondering if there's some tweak that could be made to the filename of this one to avoid a collision...

Sirius

Yeah, level 5 is Quartzon. Zeta Aquilae is 1-4.

Sirius

Just to clarify, are you talking about something like this?
https://www.kixor.net/games/descent_levels/
That one is only for D1 and doesn't include in-built levels... I'm not aware of a comparable tool for D2 but it wouldn't be much more difficult to build one.

Sirius

Yeah, he's on my OTL team. Also did speedruns at GDQ for D1 and Overload, although he's probably better-known by more people for running Crypt of the Necrodancer and Cadence of Hyrule. He wasn't really active in the Descent community until well after the DBB's heyday though.

Sirius

I think I would have to nominate most of Levels of the World. There's a lot of material there that just isn't good, isn't well-designed, and isn't really fun. It does hold some historical interest since there are a few names that are recognizable due to their later work, and it also shows what early ...

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The block orientation depends on a) the current face/vertex at the time you copy the block (it uses this as a reference for the relative orientation), and b) the current face/vertex at the time you paste the block. Figuring out the rules can be somewhat unintuitive; but if you look at the selected ...

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I vaguely recall there was a bug at some point where it'd crash if you tried to delete a one-sided wall with "edit both sides" checked. I don't remember when I fixed that, probably either .31 or .32 though.

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Yeah, you can do that in DLE too, just need to change the filters. https://i.imgur.com/SIRGc2j.png It looks like I managed to break the animated frame list in 1.12.32 (or maybe earlier) for the robot textures, though. It's splitting them up into different entries. Probably still possible to edit ...

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Have you heard of Descent 2 Workshop? I'm wondering if it's an easier way to go about this. https://github.com/InsanityBringer/Descent2Workshop
Not sure where the binaries are though, I'll have to check in on that...

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I think you can use it but would have to log into it separately. (At least the first time... it might still support automatic login.)

Sirius

I do use MSA myself mostly because I don't have a good reason not to and it reduces the setup required when I have multiple devices; but yeah, there are drawbacks, as covered above.

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Yeah, they'd have to restart on a new platform now. I don't see Interplay liking the business prospects for that much.

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Yes. What's the best way to send it - do you still have the same e-mail address?

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Booked this for the Rangers co-op game this weekend. Been a while since we've had something new to play - thanks!

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Did I have a modded d2.hog or something?

I've had to go thief-chasing in most, if not all, of those levels. But those are distant memories... I don't think I've seen it in recent co-op games.

Sirius

I recall fighting the thief on every level in Counterstrike... I don't even recall any exceptions (apart from most secret levels, obviously). Leaving them out of boss levels would have made sense.

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If it's the area I'm thinking of... maybe if there's a cloak you can get or something. It's not a reasonable room.

Sirius

If mouse is slower than keyboard, something's broken; it should not be. The maximum turning speed is supposed to be the same for all input methods.

That said, I've seen mouse being slow in DOSBox as well. I haven't tinkered enough to figure out whether it's fixable.

Sirius

Yeah, I haven't heard of it. I figure it'll probably still happen eventually, but one of the problems is it isn't a straightforward port - you have to redo a whole bunch of stuff because Overload has different textures, different weapons, different robots, and a different trigger system. Especially ...

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Countdown counters can tell you that secret areas exist, as they would in D1 level 1 because there are robots behind optional secret doors. It's a minor advantage but it is an advantage, and you don't need to pick up a full map to get it.

Sirius

I greatly prefer this "number of kills" implementation to the "robots remaining" one though. The former doesn't give you any information you shouldn't have, and is still useful for speedruns. The latter is conceptually similar to the full map cheat code.

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I think the first one was the green alien1 light strip. Might have been another, don't remember what it was.

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The idea of using weird texture alignments to achieve an effect is something I've seen elsewhere, though I don't remember exactly where this one came from. DH has done some creative things with textures in past (particularly the Enemy Within robots) but I think putting UV co-ordinates on a line to ...

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Mind answering my question about the texturing tricks, or would you rather keep quiet about that? :p If you mean the L28 stunt, you can blame me for that. It took a while to figure out what kind of UV "geometry" would produce the desired effect, but it's basically a zero-thickness strip straight ...

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Might be using the wrong capture mode... that problem does sound kind of familiar. Also, if D2X-XL is by any chance running as administrator, that might cause some issues for OBS as well.

Sirius

Speaking of which, fun fact: the radius of a player ship is approximately 10 units. You can fit four in a single cube if you go all sardine-mode. Can they dodge? Who cares?

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Yeah, the other folks probably wouldn't appreciate that

Sirius

Co-op starts are just objects, you don't strictly need cube changes for them (D1/D2 built-in campaigns didn't, maybe Vertigo?) - unless there's just no space in some of the levels.

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So... if this is beta, any chance of adding co-op starts?

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There is, though that was a collection of independent single-player levels tied together into a mission after the fact by the guys at Revival. (And I still need to play it, too...)

Sirius

I think one of the reasons we did that with Obsidian is we needed the credits to be a certain length to let the music play through. We weren't trying to start a trend.

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They've been talking about opening up a store to sell that stuff for people who missed out (or want extras). So... stay tuned I guess.

Sirius

The environmental variety could be better - if Overload's single-player has a weakness it'd probably be that. I don't think it should have gone as far as D2 either, but a few more different colors of rock would have been nice (brown, beige?), and... Well, part of it is the segment stuff. It's quick ...

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Not recently. Been juggling Overload stuff, trying to set up CMake to build Descent 2 in VS 2017, and working with Naphtha to finish up the Plutonian Shores story. Come September a good chunk of that should be done though.

Sirius

Yeah if you liked Overload, and are in touch with anyone else you know liked Descent, drop 'em a line. Ultimately we all benefit because the better Overload does, the better the chances Revival can keep improving it.

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