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LightWolf

TC, you forget he denies the existence of any of that stuff as space objects; it's either holograms or lights in the sky. Stars are not holograms, they are real lights in the sky, but none of them are "suns" or giant masses in a void of space. They're attached to the firmament. I guess I was being ...

LightWolf

I am serious; if Dave is wrong on these counts, please explain how. Also, if not selective hyperliteralism, then what do you call the interpretive framework which says verses supporting a flat Earth must be taken completely literally, yet allows for stars to be holograms in spite of Genesis 1:16? Or ...

LightWolf

Oh hey look what I found, something which addresses the model...erm, models, that flat earthers try to use. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDy95_eNPzM I was asking you to rebut this. It even addresses flaws with his earlier video on the subject. I am Christian, mind you. The side thread on ...

LightWolf

For all of Lightwolf's word salad, there's a theme that sticks out. Control. He wants control. That's it. He wants laws that bind but do not protect us, and laws that protect but do not bind him. That's exactly the argument the slave-owning south made. We all know how that went. Also don't forget ...

LightWolf

Although, I will add this. The line you put in about me not understanding DNA? DNA is recombined into another, similar sequence in offspring. What you were talking about, is called cloning. Learned that in high school. What I am talking about is that at or shortly after conception, the embryo has ...

LightWolf

It's also almost universally agreed that killing a lobster is okay, while it's almost universally agreed killing an innocent person is not okay. The point of the lobster example is that, if the child might be human, it should be treated as though it is.

LightWolf

Care to comment on this? https://rkguns.org/product-category/buy-guns-online-no-background-check/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/02/want-buy-gun-without-background-check-armlist-can-help/ So these sites are like Craig's list selling fire arms. I'm surprised they are allowed to exist. A ...

LightWolf

Me, really? I'm the only one? Out of millions of people? Oh I feel special already. Your kind, more accurately. The ones who think they know everything about everything and whose sole purpose in life is to belittle those who disagree rather than actually listening. Pro-life is about protecting the ...

LightWolf

Here we enter into my lobster ethics example again - since the child is potentially viable, in any other circumstance the ethical imperative would be to treat it as viable and not take any action to harm it. As I've mentioned, by refusing the donation, the would-be donor is not taking any act to ...

LightWolf

Abortions don't occur after birth. Let me rephrase. Let's say a woman gets an abortion. The child survives the abortion. Since this child was viable, was the abortion wrong? Also, you seem to be talking about a very idealized version of pro-life that really isn't in line with the legislation ...

LightWolf

Does that mean the abortions in question were wrong, given the child clearly was viable?

LightWolf

Then why do many people have concerns over children that survive abortions?

LightWolf

The question is not whether the person deserves to be saved, but whether it's right for the government to be able to force someone to give up one of their organs to save them. You keep dodging this. I am trying to point out the flaws in your analogy. Like it or not, the person is thus far an ...

LightWolf

Except the person is going to die without the organ transplant. So if you think abortion is murder, then so is refusing to give that person one of your organs. So should the government be able to force you to do so? By what standard is refusing this transplant murder? I am not walking up to the ...

LightWolf

Does giving $50 or $100 to some "trusted" charity one time make you feel good? Because it is almost completely pointless. Compare it to how much the mother and child will be expected to do over their entire lifetimes, unless you are giving up that much you are only making yourself feel good with ...

LightWolf

I did see it and its bull★■◆● because "private organizations" is conservative speak for "someone other than me". If it isn't a Tax that everyone has to pay, then you aren't taking any responsibility. How is it me not taking responsibility if I don't believe you should have to pay for it? Is my donat ...

LightWolf

You still haven't answered my question. I missed it initially, and edited my original statement to reflect my response. Nevertheless, I'll repost here: So does the person who needs an organ donation to live. So should the government be able to force you to give up an organ for them? In this ...

LightWolf

Except in the case of an ectopic pregnancy or other situations where the child cannot survive until birth, the pro-life platform does not consider viability relevant under the knowledge that it will be viable. Once the egg is fertilized, unless it dies naturally, it is a human with its own body and ...

LightWolf

This still misses the nuance that, as far as pro-life is concerned, the fetus is its own body which deserves its own rights to its own body. Missing this point is arguably the main reason why abortion arguments never go anywhere - pro-choice does not seem to even acknowledge this point. They think ...

LightWolf

Anyone tried just throwing stuff together that worked out well (or didn't)? I've been working on a thing where you take a box of shells n' cheese, throw in some (home-mixed) taco seasoning and half a cup of cheddar. Not too impressive, but it tastes amazing. I'm wondering if anyone else has pieced ...

LightWolf

Hypothetical scenario: Someone is dying and needs an organ transplant to survive. You are the only compatible donor. Do you think the government should be allowed to force you to give up one of your organs? I'm going to assume you are pro-choice, and under pro-choice assumptions the analogy is ...

LightWolf

You, Ferno, are the very reason I made this post. If they were really pro-life, they would be supporting initiatives for free healthcare, post-natal care, extended parental leave, sick leave and mental health and sensible gun control. Pro-life is about protecting the right to life of the unborn. Pro ...

LightWolf

Not counting any that may be inside a robot:

Secret level 4 has 1, secret level 5 has 2, and secret level 6 has 3.
Level 17 has 1, 18 has 2, 19 has 1, 20 has 2, 21 has 1, 22 has 0, 23 has 1, and 24 has 5.

This comes out to 19 total.

LightWolf

With the recent Supreme Court decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization bringing out the usual uncivil shouting match, I figured I'd try to set some of the record straight. Abortion is a rare case where both sides view themselves as supporting a fundamental civil right. Pro-choice ...

LightWolf

There is some nuance to the 'no reason to exist' thing, and I still contend you're making God more complex than he is, but I think that's good enough to leave off on.

LightWolf

Round 1! Fight!

LightWolf

I'm not sure if you're understanding my claim -- I'm not asking why did God create a universe instead of a balloon. I'm asking why is there a God instead of a balloon. If you can imagine an eternal, unchanging, timeless God having existed without a cause, then why not an eternal, unchanging ...

LightWolf

You keep coming back to "Modern cells/DNA are too complex to have evolved naturally." and we keep pointing out you can iterate a lot of complexity in to something from a very simple origin when you do it for 4 billion years. Modern cells weren't built in a day, and not all modern cells are equally ...

LightWolf

Weren't you asking for edge cases? I asked if you could be "clear what are the exact criteria for the example you're looking for", and your response is even more vague than what you started with. How are you measuring how close one species is to one family versus another? For instance, for all I ...

LightWolf

Can you be clear what are the exact criteria for the example you're looking for? For instance, if you are just looking for edge cases, in our (my, at least) lifetime, the skunk has been reclassified from one family to another. Just by using the words "kingdom", "family", "species", etc., you are ...

LightWolf

Living creatures have the goal to continue living. It either does or does not have the means. Evolution does not have a goal; it is just a mechanism. Technically, it's just random mutations surviving longer than other random mutations. At no point do the organisms play an active role in whether or ...

LightWolf

It's not just a given 'A to B', it's the vast majority of 'A to B'. There is a staggering lack of transitional fossils, which indicate a gradual evolutionary model is unlikely at best. There should be as many transitional fossils as any other random group of fossils, without the vast amount of clear ...

LightWolf

You're missing the point. Science has not figured out HOW RNA/DNA got here, only that it has. "It is here, therefore it got here in a consistent manner" does not prove that it got here in a consistent manner. I would also like to point out that, as a result of your presupposition that evolution is ...

LightWolf

The events don't have to be serial, they just have to occur within a certain timeframe. I'm merely pointing out a maximum timing between events, not that the events are directly caused by each other. That said, parallelism is much more related to the 'cluster' thing I mentioned, shrinking the ...

LightWolf

Created a new thread. Now Burly can have a chance to post his rebuttal, if he has one.

LightWolf

Last time on the Flat Earth thread... No it is not reasonable to ask for an example of a species branching off in real time. You post an article saying "the Cambrian explosion may have happened much faster than originally thought" without apparently reading it: 20 million years. You also talk about ...

LightWolf

First off, microevolution, macroevolution, species, etc. are well-defined terms. According to Berkeley: Microevolution is evolution on a small scale — within a single population. That means narrowing our focus to one branch of the tree of life. ... For animals, it’s fairly easy to decide what a pop ...

LightWolf

It only proves microevolution (within a species), which has been observed and proven several times. It does not prove one species can become another entirely (macroevolution). That said, few people on either side of the debate seem to know the difference; most seem to think "Adaptation proves all ...

LightWolf

You did say "I may like the scientific argument on that issue more than the religious one," as though the religious one didn't include science. You may not have meant it in that light (in which case I retract applicable comments), but a lot of people who say that do, and frankly it's a massive pet ...

LightWolf

I'm not saying mine is the only one which could possibly explain anything. I'm just saying you're discrediting too much out of hand and owing it to unreasonableness. As a matter of fact, I believe yours is perfectly reasonable. That's my point - it takes a lot for such a thing to be unreasonable. If ...

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