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Sounds like everyone's in agreement - the board is opposed to oils spills. Haven't seen this kind of unity in a long while.... It's got me a little choked up over here...

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When Joe Wilson called Obama a liar, in reference to the illegal immigrants, he was both factually wrong and professionally contemptible. This is no way for a member of congress to treat any President of the United States. Either he clearly didn't know the facts or he's still emotional over the ...

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[quote="roid"]Judicial Fraud.quote]

Really?

Ask not for whom the bell tolls....

BD

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http://www.rudy-urbanlegend.com/ Sad. I had no idea how awful he was... Sad that the people who run on 9-11 typically botched their job. Wow. Me too. For the longest time I'd felt he was just a decent guy dealing with ... well let's just say, trying circumstances. This video has changed me and my ...

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My take: I'm not a lawyer, obviously, but I think the laws should be able to distinguish between an active participant in a chase versus an unwitting bystander. If the suspect in a car chase rams into a bystander - be it car, bike, or someone out on a leisurely stroll - I think they should be ...

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I'm not a criminal law guy, but there's something called the \"felony murder rule\" that has existed for some time. Reaching way back here, but my recollection is that if you are acting in the commission of a felony and someone dies as a result, then your intent is irrelevant. You are charged with ...

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KoolBear wrote:SO it's up to you if you want to pay more for a completed unit ... (about 8 bucks per board more!)

I would need completed units Mike. Can pay in advance if needed.

Thanks for your work,

Joe

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KoolBear wrote:PRELIMINARY/BUDGETARY

Great, thanks KB. Extremely reasonable, albeit preliminary.

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I've receive several emails and some of those actual orders for Grendels 3D Pro Converter http://descentbb.net/viewtopic.php?t=7090 and http://grendel.koolbear.com/3dpro.htm If there's enough interest I will see if I can get more made, but I won't do the all the work like Grendel did. I will take ...

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I don't know if you're intentionally pushing my buttons, or just skimming and making assumptions, but I'm tired of it. I'm really upset, is that what you wanted? It's not just you. But one of the great things about the DBB is that its members aren't the type to be compelled by such personal attacks ...

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Foil wrote:
Bold Deceiver wrote:(And by the way, what's the point of all this if there can't be any name-calling, for heck's sake. Where's the fun in that?)
I'll let the moderators address that one.

Happy Easter!

BD

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When Bettina pulls the switch on the execution of Couey, would you view her action as occupying the same moral plane as the child-abduction, child-rape, child-smothering, and live burial of Jessica, by Couey? (Sigh) I've already said it at least twice, I'll say one last time, since you apparently ...

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On second thought, I think I'll withdraw instead. No harm done by you, Lothar, and no offense taken by me. Happy Easter to the Christians celebrating.

Thanks.

BD

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Lothar wrote:BD, I think you give people far too little credit in your attempts to prop up your position.

Read two posts up. Then take a deep breath and drop the patronizing attitude. I'll be waiting.

Hmm.... You know how much I enjoy instructions!

BD

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To tell you the truth, I had the same thought as Dravis, but I didn't want to voice it because I worried about this exact scenario. I couldn't come up with a way to say it that wasn't insulting or otherwise in poor taste, so I held back. But now that the comparison has been made, I want to at least ...

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Mmmm... REVISIONIST ALERT. Whatever Dravis's sins are, they don't consist in saying that Bet's and Couey's actions are of the same moral severity or that they are of the same moral caliber, despite your colorful metaphors suggesting otherwise. You [Bettina] and Couey [convicted child rapist, child ...

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Bet has repeatedly stated that she assents to emotion over logic and that she judges good actions to be those that she believes to be good. We're getting a little abstract here, but I don't agree that emotion simply trumps logic. I would disagree with that premise. We can imagine Couey justifying ...

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Mmmm... REVISIONIST ALERT. Whatever Dravis's sins are, they don't consist in saying that Bet's and Couey's actions are of the same moral severity or that they are of the same moral caliber, despite your colorful metaphors suggesting otherwise. Yet the words remain: "You [Bettina] and Couey ...

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This is moral relativism on a stunning scale, and it disgusts me. Wikipedia: "Moral relativism is the position that moral or ethical propositions do not reflect absolute and universal moral truths, but instead make claims relative to social, cultural, historical or personal circumstances." I can't ...

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This is moral relativism on a stunning scale, and it disgusts me. Somebody is a moral relativist just for having a different viewpoint than you? Dravis hasn't really said anything inconsistent with moral absolutism, just your version moral absolutism. (And even that he has done that much is unclear ...

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First, this: I'm not a [moral] relativist. Then this: Evil will destroy good unless good destroys evil first. Right and good, wrong and evil. And then, this despicable response: You [Bettina] and Couey [convicted child rapist, child torturer, and child murderer] seem to have a lot in common. You ...

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You did not answer my question, Bet. Here it is again: I can surely understand why it feels right to take revenge, and possibly even to kill the person. But how can you deduce from this feeling of yours anything about morality? Your question is unintelligible, as phrased, and unanswerable. I'm ...

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Moral absolutism... is simply irrational. Ah, NOW, I think we've struck the heart of the matter: You've made a statement about your belief system. How should I respond? A. "I don't agree, here's what I believe..." or B. "You just made an incendiary and condesceding accusation that I am irrational ...

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My statements weren't written as patronizing or condescending. Again, they're simply statements of my view [that those who support capital punishment are immoral and unethical]. You're right - of course. Why would anyone have a problem with that? So, if I belive rape is always wrong (moral absolute ...

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No one is attacking you Foil -- you're troubled because I called you on a couple of rather patronizing, condescending remarks you made, such as: C]apital punishment can't be an ethical option. and ... However, as I sincerely hope you understand, capital punishment is not, and should not be, a form ...

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Hello Pandora, feeling boxed in today by irritating rhetoric? We are constantly judging the morals of other people, and of course each of us believes that our moral stance might be superior to somebody else's. If you can't take that you should not enter a discussion about morals. We are? We do? I ...

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Since this appears to be the case, I'll ask again: "Why is it moral that "the people" impose suffering without cause (aside from their personal desires, giving no rational justification), but an individual doing the same [i.e., the murderer] is condemned? Is it simply because the majority says it's ...

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As you know, the following statement you made caught my eye: However, as I sincerely hope you understand, capital punishment is not, and should not be, a form of vengeance. You conceded (as you were required to) that you were incorrect when you stated as fact that capital punishment is not a "form ...

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I'm not sure how the approval of a hypothetical god counts for anything with regards to ethics. Couey could say the same thing if he wanted to - "god x approves of the murder, so it's ethical." Um, no. I wouldn't accept that and I doubt you would either. I think you'll agree that this argument is ...

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Do I think that morality is absolute? (i.e. do I think the the principle that 'revenge is unethical' is universal?) - Yes. Hence, under your ethical construct, Bettina's belief (that retribution for slaughtering a mere child is not unethical) is unethical. I wonder if that makes Bettina unethical ...

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The death penalty is said to serve two principal social purposes: retribution and deterrence of capital crimes by prospective offenders. Alright. I'm man enough to admit I was wrong there. Honestly, I'm taken aback by that opinion, as it implies the Supreme Court supports retribution/vengeance as ...

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Can you sit back in your chair, close your eyes, and play out every moment of her life with Couey? Can you come close to seeing the unmentionable terror in her face, her crys, her pleading with him? Can you hear the dirt falling on the garbage bags while being buried alive? I can and have many ...

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[C]apital punishment can't be an ethical option. More disturbing "truisms" from the left. Tell you what, I'll address this below. Read on, friend! So... the Supreme Court said that capital punishment "is/should be vengeance "? That's not what I see from (WIKIPEDIA) Then perhaps you would profit by ...

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I don't care about the ratio...what if you were that one innocent life BD? Would you care then? Probably.... Mmmm... such a challenge! Let's see ... would I care if I were in fact the one arrested, tried, wrongly convicted and sentenced to death.... Let's see.... OH gosh I'm paralyzed with ...

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In fact, having visited prisons before, I think some convicts consider the death penalty as a better fate than than the lowly existence in those places. How many of them put in a request, to your knowledge? I'm curious, if revenge as a reason for capital punishment is on the "okay" side of the line ...

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Call me a skeptic . . . . Yer a skeptic. Ok seriously -- I don't think there's a legal definition of innocence, in criminal law. One is eitther guilty of the crime or one is not guilty. In civil law there is comparative fault liability in most states now -- an apportionment of damages based on the ...

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Of course this does nothing to show your risk ratio assessment is backwards, it may still be that overall, net result is you are right, but it makes me think the ratio isn't as far apart as you think . . . . I'm not sure about the ratio Will. On the other hand, I think common sense suggests that ...

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Let's say we live in a society with the death penalty. Assume that, say, 1500 innocent victims would be saved from vicious homicide annually, and spared the horror that Lothar faced. Suppose further that 1 innocent person would be wrongly convicted and ultimately executed following the expiration ...

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If as a society we imposed the death penalty for murders occurring on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays, I believe that murders would decrease on those days. I think the number of murders that dropped off on those days would only be those that were premeditated. the crimes of passion and the robbery ...

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The article I linked above was written in response to the brutal murder of someone in my family. Your loss is a tragic one, and I'm saddened and horrified by it. I think reasonable people can disagree on this point. I just happen to believe, quite strongly, that Bet holds the better arguments here ...

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