At the 2001 Baptist Creation Science Fair:

Nightshade · Post by **Nightshade** » Sat Feb 14, 2004 12:53 am

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1st Place: â??Life Doesnâ??t Come From Non-Lifeâ?

Nitrofox125 · Post by **Nitrofox125** » Sat Feb 14, 2004 1:33 am

Wow... Catholics never cease to amaze you.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Sat Feb 14, 2004 2:14 am

Creation science.

oxymoron.

Also, let's write off the whole evolution theroy by putting basic elements in a jar for three weeks. Sorry hon, but it takes life a little longer than that to get going.

the honorable mention part is just plain screwey. Guess what. rocks aren't alive.

SolidAir · Post by **SolidAir** » Sat Feb 14, 2004 2:16 am

TB, I resent your statement about homeschooling.

I was homeschooled from first grade through highschool. I wasn't a 'special' child, my parents just felt that my sister and I were not getting the right education at private school. Let me be the first to say that homeschooling has not only taught me a lot about the general education subjects that all receive in public school, but I have also learned how to learn effectively. (Making college very easy for me.) And one might talk about the socialization one acquires through homeschooling, but that is a non-issue. I wrote a research paper on the concerns of many about homeschooling and I would be more than happy to provide you with information.

What makes you think you can get on your high horse and talk about homeschooling like that?

Also, do you honestly think that life can form from non-living elements? Is there something about the elements that once put together, they make life?

Matt

Mobius · Post by **Mobius** » Sat Feb 14, 2004 2:31 am

No Matt - but the fact we are here is the most sure evidence that life came from non-life. The only questions is "how"? I say "Chemistry and Physics". (Whether that chemistry and Physics was directed by some sort of supreme being is neither here nor there.)

The interesting part of the story in my view, is at what point do self-assembling proteins rate as life rather than chemistry? Because pretty soon we're going to have to decide whether our own creations qualify as "life". (I say "Yes - otherwise they'll get very upset.")

aldel · Post by **aldel** » Sat Feb 14, 2004 9:25 am

Linkage

This was just too funny to only read an exerpt.

The introduction by Dr. Paley is hilarious, unintentionally of course. The first place, elementary school level, is actually funny on purpose. The second place, middle school level, shocked me back to reality and made me start to consider buying a case of Dennett's Darwin's Dangerous Idea and sending a copy to each of these kids, plus Dr. Paley. The high school winners are both comforting and scary because they show the kids becoming more sophisticated.

I want to rent a couple of the videos mentioned at the bottom. They sound... entertaining.

Testiculese · Post by **Testiculese** » Sat Feb 14, 2004 9:46 am

That is pathetically scary. No wonder these people are so stupid.

Scorch · Post by **Scorch** » Sat Feb 14, 2004 9:47 am

it's also a satire.

DCrazy · Post by **DCrazy** » Sat Feb 14, 2004 10:45 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Nitrofox125:
Wow... Catholics never cease to amaze you.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

WTF are you talking about... we Catholics believe in evolution. Christian Scientists don't believe in medicine, let alone Darwin.

bash · Post by **bash** » Sat Feb 14, 2004 10:50 am

Shhhhhh, Scorch, let the Brain Trust bask in it's intellectual superiority. I have faith they'll figure it out eventually.

aldel · Post by **aldel** » Sat Feb 14, 2004 11:08 am

I take everything back. The following paragraph has converted me.

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Some have criticized my stance on triclavianism as being counterproductive, arguing that making a point of doctrinal contention over not making a point of doctrinal contention over adiaphora is itself non-salvific. However, my critics are overlooking the dangers of triclavianistic doctrines: allowing adiaphora to creep into our credenda -- while possibly pushing the theologoumenic envelope and providing exciting new opportunities for supererogative works -- will most often serve to muddy the soteriological foundation of Faith, leading in general to ultramontane excesses and, in extreme cases, ebaptization (which is unacceptable pastoral malpractice, however rare it may be.) Doctrinal integrity, and hence salvific effectiveness, is best served by working to end triclavianism and similar erroneous, or simply adiaphoric, doctrines.
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Nitrofox125 · Post by **Nitrofox125** » Sat Feb 14, 2004 12:42 pm

WTF are you talking about... we Catholics believe in evolution.

Nothing personal meant... Just all of the creationists I know in my school are Catholics... I just like to tease them about it.

Nitrofox125 · Post by **Nitrofox125** » Sat Feb 14, 2004 12:49 pm

doublepostmonster

Jeff250 · Post by **Jeff250** » Sat Feb 14, 2004 2:54 pm

Who's dumber, the make-believe sixth grader or the person who fell for it?

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Sat Feb 14, 2004 3:11 pm

haha. all a joke huh. Here i was thinking that people can be that dumb. LOL

Tricord · Post by **Tricord** » Sat Feb 14, 2004 4:19 pm

This thread has a nasty undertone.

Testiculese · Post by **Testiculese** » Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:09 pm

The sad part is there are plenty of people that make that site completely plausible.

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:44 pm

That is one scary website. Even the titles of those "research projects" made me feel like I had wandered into the Twilight Zone. It's truly sad that some people are so ignorant of basic scientific principles and what they mean.

Nitrofox, as DCrazy said, the people you met are absolutely no reflection on the stance of the Catholic Church regarding evolution, or science in general. It truly surprises me that all of the creationists you know are Catholics. I attend a Catholic high school, and my entire AP Biology curriculum has evolution as its core. Compare this to what the kids on that website are learning...pretty sad.

DCrazy · Post by **DCrazy** » Sat Feb 14, 2004 8:06 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Top Gun:
I attend a Catholic high school, and my entire AP Biology curriculum has evolution as its core.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ditto, except I wasn't in the AP Bio class.

Nitro, I don't know what kind of "Catholics" the people you're referring to think that they are. Besides, fundamentalists usually refer to themselves as "Christians". Catholocism is one step away from Judaism in their minds, what with our whole organization and belief in tradition and all. To each their own I guess.

ccb056 · Post by **ccb056** » Sat Feb 14, 2004 8:12 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Top Gun:
I attend a Catholic high school, and my entire AP Biology curriculum has evolution as its core.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ditto, only no ap