Burn a flag, go to jail.... that's the law.

BigSlideHimself · Post by **BigSlideHimself** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 1:41 am

Some might counter that flag burning is a slap in the face for every soldier that fought under that flag.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 11:22 am

So you believe it's okay to ban an unpopular opinion...?

Birdseye · Post by **Birdseye** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 11:41 am

I've kind of formed the opinion that people who do radical things to protest/change the direction of the American government, without first completely exhausting more civilized paths, are the one's who should be labeled "radicals". Someone who sees a serious problem and really "cares" enough to do something, should care enough to get involved, IMO.

You present an interesting dilemma considering the only way to overturn this would be for someone to burn a flag, get prosecuted successfully, then appeal to the supreme court...

Top wop said:

Well thats very arrogant of you. I havent posted here in weeks and yet you seem to know where I stand. Not to mention your "when your older" comment to Top Gun is very condescending.

The "when your older" comment is normally condescending, but Top Gun started it by calling me immature. Make sense now?

Sorry to get your panties in a ruffle top, have a sense of humor will ya

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 12:44 pm

Birds, it's the E&C.. if you lose here, it means the end of the world. don't you know that?

1ACE1 · Post by **1ACE1** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 4:44 pm

I think that flag burners should be heavily punished because its a traitorous violation of state.

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 5:36 pm

You know what is kind of ironic about this debate on the patriotic value of the flag? Most American flags are stitched together by a Communist Chinese worker making a few cents an hour.

Can I get a Heh?

Robo · Post by **Robo** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 6:04 pm

Only in Americaâ?¢

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 6:48 pm

heh heh

[RIP]Gallows · Post by **[RIP]Gallows** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 4:41 pm

You know, I am sick an tired of not being able to get to work because all of those flag burners are stopping me. And whats worse, when I'm trying to get home on the interstate, traffic is at a dead still because of all the hippies burning flags in the fast lane.

I think this law is GREAT! We've needed it for so long because flag burning was really becoming a problem.

Seriously, just how much pollution are we breathing because some pyromaniac wants to get rid of that ripped peice of moldy cloth that has adorned his mailbox since sept 2001?

CDN_Merlin · Post by **CDN_Merlin** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 5:07 pm

if you burn your countries flag in protest, you should just move to another country.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 6:17 pm

yea that sounds like a good idea. Instead of people fighting for what they believe in, they should just go away.

Brilliant merlin!

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 11:24 pm

burning a flag is hardly "fighting for what you believe in". If that were the case, they would enter politics, and fight there. They would have a much better chance of exacting change. Yea sure.. we all have the right to complain .. oh wait .. I mean free speech. And that's just it. These folks supposedly want "change" but don't want to REALLY do anything about it.

Demonstrations are fine, that is our right to peacably assemble. But demonstrations are not really that effective. They could also get into media. We all know what kind of power the "press" has.

Dedman · Post by **Dedman** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:25 pm

CDN_Merlin wrote:if you burn your countries flag in protest, you should just move to another country.

Isn't that how Canadia was born?

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:07 am

duper, it costs basically a small fortune to get into something like that.. and most people who have that kind of money usually are corrupted by then.

so entering a corrupt system to fix a corrupt system is not that hot of an idea imo.

Fusion pimp · Post by **Fusion pimp** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 3:31 pm

Demonstrations are fine, that is our right to peacably assemble.

Don't forget to get your permission slip from local law enforcement/city hall!

Sirius · Post by **Sirius** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 4:50 pm

Moral of the story is, if you want to fix the government, forget it.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:32 pm

Fusion pimp wrote:
Demonstrations are fine, that is our right to peacably assemble.
Don't forget to get your permission slip from local law enforcement/city hall!

Otherwise it's off to the segregation area....er free speech zone to do your thing

Zetal · Post by **Zetal** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 2:46 pm

Really when it comes down to it, a flag is a flag. Definition time!

1) A piece of cloth, usually rectangular, of distinctive color and design, used as a symbol, standard, signal, or emblem.
2) National or other allegiance, as symbolized by a flag: ships of the same flag.
3) A ship carrying the flag of an admiral; a flagship.
4) A marking device, such as a gummed strip of paper, attached to an object to attract attention or ease identification; a tab.
5) The masthead of a newspaper.
6) Music. A cross stroke that halves the value of a note to which it is added.
7) A distinctively shaped or marked tail, as of a dog or deer.

Computer Science. A variable or memory location that stores true-or-false, yes-or-no information.

Sounds like if you burn a flag, it just means the country lost you/your position. So if you have a guy across seas burning a flag, that makes sense in that case!

Now, for those people burning flags: If they want to burn the spirit of America, why don't they burn America! Suddenly, it's making more sense! People aren't fighting for a piece of cloth. That is just sick. "The army is fighting for the flag!" Oh, alright, so they are dying so we can say, "Our flag is so cool!" The fact is they are fighting for a way of life. No piece of cloth can hold together a way of life. Now, if you burned the whole country, there's something to be worried about. That destroys lives.

A guy starts a forest fire. People get pissed off because he causes their houses to get burned down. There is economic pressure and people are dying. He gets fined and such.

A guy burns a flag that doesn't spread and only pisses people off. He'll go to jail and lose his freedom by using his freedom in the way he wishes. Keep in mind, no one dies. No one loses property. No economic stress other than that caused by the douche bags who made the law.

Oh, well...

I LOVE BEING OBTUSE FOR FUN!

MD-2389 · Post by **MD-2389** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 2:36 pm

Vander wrote:You know what is kind of ironic about this debate on the patriotic value of the flag? Most American flags are stitched together by a Communist Chinese worker making a few cents an hour.

Can I get a Heh?

Don't forget Mexico. They've been making our flags for years.

If you ban burning, what's next....banning free speech?

fliptw · Post by **fliptw** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:37 pm

The proper way to despose of a old flag is by burning it, acording to the us flag code. Im failing to see how this amendment would address that.

Bold Deceiver · Post by **Bold Deceiver** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:29 pm

You guys are going to hate me for this. In fact, what I'm about to say may be a thread-killer. But it has to be said.

Flag-burning is expressive speech, and should remain legal to the extent it doesn't violate EPA regs.

BD

dissent · Post by **dissent** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 10:54 pm

x2, BD; per my earlier post.

[RIP]Gallows · Post by **[RIP]Gallows** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 7:09 am

Top Gun wrote: Palzon, since when did I say that civil disobedience to protest a serious loss of rights is "immature"? What I said was that going out and burning a flag in your yard solely because it was made unconstitutional to do so is petty. To me, that reeks of an adolescent, "I'll do it 'cause they told me not to" mentality. There's a massive difference between a prohibition against buring one object and institutionalized racism. I hope you're able to see that.

Yep, and throwing tea overboard while dressed as an indian was petty and immature but look at what that accomplished.

Bold Deceiver · Post by **Bold Deceiver** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 7:45 am

dissent wrote:x2, BD; per my earlier post.

Doh. Must have subconsciously turned converted your very clever post into my own, after scanning.

BD

dissent · Post by **dissent** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 2:10 pm

Hey, wasn't dissin' ya, bro. Was glad to see that we were in agreement; you know more about this sort of thing than I do.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 3:57 pm

while it pains me to say this, but:

I agree with BD, one hundred percent!

/dies

Gooberman · Post by **Gooberman** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 4:58 pm

I dunno, he could be deceiving us...boldly.

Bold Deceiver · Post by **Bold Deceiver** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 8:04 pm

Gooberman wrote:I dunno, he could be deceiving us...boldly.

Naah. I used to think it should be outlawed (you can take some solace there, Ferno

), but I studied it a bit and concluded I was wrong.

BD

p.s. BD's Name comes from an Irish song called "Whiskey in the Jar".

As I was a-goin' over Gilgarra mountains
I met Colonel Pepper and his money he was counting
I drew forth my pistol and I rattled my sabre
Saying "stand and deliver, for I am a bold deceiver"

AceCombat · Post by **AceCombat** » Sun Aug 07, 2005 1:19 pm

Duper wrote: But you should be forced to listen to Barry Mantilow indefinately. Naw .. life sentence.

nah... should be forced to listen to AceCombat's ramblings and lies on the DBB for life!!

Hostile · Post by **Hostile** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 12:25 pm

I despise American flag burning, but it should be legal. I spend a great deal of energy ensuring that American idiots can burn it in protest if they so choose. I find that to be ironic, but it is true.

Mobius wrote:I'm with Birdseye here. If you make it illegal - it'd pay to invest in flag makers - because it'll become THE symbol of protest to burn it.

And, what if I take a flag with the wrong number of stars and/or stripes, which merely *looks* like the US Flag, and burn it? What then? I guess, if it's burned, it's hard to tell.... but you could video and photograph the flag beforehand...

However, if I see Mobius burning it or anything like it, I will see about rounding up a few of my friends here and bombing his country off the ★■◆●ing planet.....B*itches!!!!!

will_kill · Post by **will_kill** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:42 pm

Sadly, the law will be passed, flags will be burned and inroads into our freedoms will continue to erode at the constitution until freedom fades into our memories as we evolve into beings that require no thinking...only programming...courtesy of our local govt.

now sit back...enjoy your life.

Bold Deceiver · Post by **Bold Deceiver** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 7:06 pm

will_kill wrote:Sadly, the law will be passed

I'll wager you a steak dinner you're wrong. This comes up every few years or so, and getting an amendment to the Constitution is no small feat. The Supreme Court already ruled that flag-burning was expressive speech (protected), so that's what it'll take.

BD

will_kill · Post by **will_kill** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:30 pm

Bold Deceiver wrote:
will_kill wrote:Sadly, the law will be passed
I'll wager you a steak dinner you're wrong. This comes up every few years or so, and getting an amendment to the Constitution is no small feat. The Supreme Court already ruled that flag-burning was expressive speech (protected), so that's what it'll take.

BD

Hopefully your right...

but I'm not a gambling man on unsure things

Burn a flag, go to jail.... that's the law.

Another dumb law