Time for D1X-W32?

Trackball · Post by **Trackball** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:52 pm

D2X-W32 is probably the greatest thing that has happened to classic descenting. Why not extend its massive improvements to the barely functional Descent 1? The bugged homers and unresponsive sensitivity really hinder the game.

MD-2389 · Post by **MD-2389** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:39 pm

I've asked repeatedly, but Diedel won't touch it. Looks like the only way I can play D1 is to put together a legacy box given the opengl builds of D1x are GARBAGE. I've seen installs of win95 orig that were more stable.

TechPro · Post by **TechPro** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:36 pm

Over on PD there is a person working on texture re-works for Descent 1... (look here) and they've also come up with a way to run Descent 1 using D2X-W32. (simply copy everything in your Descent 1 folder to your Descent 2 folder and don't overwrite anything).

The textures don't always work... but most everything does and you can play the levels.

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:56 pm

D1x-1.43 ogl works great for me.

Like flyin D2 with the Voodoo patch

Aus-RED-5 · Post by **Aus-RED-5** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:19 am

MD-2389 wrote:I've asked repeatedly, but Diedel won't touch it. Looks like the only way I can play D1 is to put together a legacy box given the opengl builds of D1x are GARBAGE. I've seen installs of win95 orig that were more stable.

I've asked him before as well and this is what he said to me:

Diedel wrote:If I can get my hands on a working D1X project for Microsoft Visual C++, I might eventually look into it in the future.

so there ya go. Anybody know where to find one??

Trackball · Post by **Trackball** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:50 am

TechPro wrote:Over on PD there is a person working on texture re-works for Descent 1... (look here) and they've also come up with a way to run Descent 1 using D2X-W32. (simply copy everything in your Descent 1 folder to your Descent 2 folder and don't overwrite anything).

The textures don't always work... but most everything does and you can play the levels.

It still has the D2 balancing though.

Sirius · Post by **Sirius** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 8:40 am

Wouldn't bank on the VC++ part. The guys behind D1x weren't terribly big on anything Microsoft, from what I recall. The chances of anyone else bothering to adapt it to work with MSVC++ are ... pretty slim, as well... it wasn't the nicest code to work with - the one other guy I know of that developed Descent 1 did it from the start himself because he couldn't stand the programming style etc.

Diedel · Post by **Diedel** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:21 am

Hey ppl,

you cannot really measure how much work it was to dig into D2X and make the D2X-W32 of today out of it.

The thought of having to do the same with D1X makes my stomach revolt.

Then, I have put so many good features into D2X-W32 I do not see anybody using - and I am not going to see the same happen with a D1X-W32.

Making D2X-W32 was fun, and I have learnt enough about it to be able to fix almost everything in it in a decent amount of time.

Making D1X-W32 would be painful work. No thanks, sorry ppl.

Btw, after having moved to my new home last Saturday, I am finally getting my apartment door today ... thanks to the fine (cough) door company first being late on delivering the doors, and then not packing vital parts or the wrong parts with them ... I only hope they did it right this time.

fliptw · Post by **fliptw** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:32 pm

the best course of action would be to start with the raw D1 source code.

Trackball · Post by **Trackball** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:20 pm

Are we going to abandon the game that started it all?

D3Hack · Post by **D3Hack** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:28 pm

I, too, would really like to see a D1X-W32, even if I have to code it myself (once I learn C++, that is.

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D2X-W32 is nearly perfect as far as I'm concerned, and I would love to see the same done to D1.

Edward · Post by **Edward** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:16 pm

Why cant we just convert all the lvls?

Trackball · Post by **Trackball** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:28 pm

Edward wrote:Why cant we just convert all the lvls?

The appeal of D1 is in its balancing. D2 nerfed too many of the classic weapons such as fusion and spreadfire. As a result, the multiplayer was not nearly as solid.

novacron · Post by **novacron** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 7:15 pm

TechPro wrote:Over on PD there is a person working on texture re-works for Descent 1... (look here) and they've also come up with a way to run Descent 1 using D2X-W32. (simply copy everything in your Descent 1 folder to your Descent 2 folder and don't overwrite anything).

The textures don't always work... but most everything does and you can play the levels.

I am now working on textures for D2, which I will release once I have finished them all. I don't know when I will be done.

And yes, I would love to see the original re-done as well.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 9:44 pm

fliptw wrote:the best course of action would be to start with the raw D1 source code.

concur

Sirius · Post by **Sirius** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:27 pm

I should note that Descent 1 was programmed in a mix of C and assembly - not C++. Syntax is the same but C++ has a lot of extra stuff C doesn't use.

It's also a hell of a lot of work, don't get me wrong - the source code is anything but pretty and is really quite big. If anyone has the drive to get it done, more power to them - but it greatly depends how much time you have to spend on it. Can't say I haven't considered the idea of developing a dual-mode executable that actually works properly, but there are other things I have to get done first.

MD-2389 · Post by **MD-2389** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 9:09 pm

TechPro wrote:Over on PD there is a person working on texture re-works for Descent 1... (look here) and they've also come up with a way to run Descent 1 using D2X-W32. (simply copy everything in your Descent 1 folder to your Descent 2 folder and don't overwrite anything).

The textures don't always work... but most everything does and you can play the levels.

They're a little far behind.

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Diedel · Post by **Diedel** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:22 am

Trackball wrote:
Edward wrote:Why cant we just convert all the lvls?
The appeal of D1 is in its balancing. D2 nerfed too many of the classic weapons such as fusion and spreadfire. As a result, the multiplayer was not nearly as solid.

If someone gives me the exact damage and fire ratio values of D1, I will put them into D2X as an option - no problem. D2X-W32 could have a "D1 balance" switch disabling all non-D1 weapons and having the remaining ones acting just like the D1 equivalents.

Edward · Post by **Edward** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:38 am

Youd need to disable robots as well. And change the D1 robos AI damage max speed fire power fire rate and such. Id like it tho.

Diedel · Post by **Diedel** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 7:36 am

I can change every robot feature except AI stuff.

Trackball · Post by **Trackball** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:06 pm

Diedel wrote:If someone gives me the exact damage and fire ratio values of D1, I will put them into D2X as an option - no problem. D2X-W32 could have a "D1 balance" switch disabling all non-D1 weapons and having the remaining ones acting just like the D1 equivalents.

That would pwn.

Sirius · Post by **Sirius** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:10 pm

If memory serves all the weapon information is stored in descent.pig?

Pumo · Post by **Pumo** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:21 pm

I think that D2X-W32 is enough, and if Diedel adds an option to balance weapons and robots like D1, no D1X will be necesary.

And also if everything goes well and D2X will use Novacron's textures, i'm planing to make a remastering of the main Descent 1 mission with colored lights and all that good stuff from D2X.

MD-2389 · Post by **MD-2389** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:20 pm

Pumo, you would be suprised how many people still play D1 on kali.

Diedel · Post by **Diedel** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:53 am

Rejoice, D1 lovers!

D2X-W32 v1.4.57 and above supports the D1 weapon balance by reading the proper data from the original D1 data files if present.

Trackball · Post by **Trackball** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 1:09 pm

Excellent!

MD-2389 · Post by **MD-2389** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:56 pm

Now if only you'll fix the deadzone slider, or offer a command line option, it'll be even better!

Garak · Post by **Garak** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:39 pm

that is so sexy...

Diedel · Post by **Diedel** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:39 am

MD-2389 wrote:Now if only you'll fix the deadzone slider, or offer a command line option, it'll be even better!

You should read the D2X-W32 update notes once in a while ...

lars · Post by **lars** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:02 pm

Cool
But I find it very hard to kill the robots in the D1 single player. Also they dont do a lot of dammage to me.

MD-2389 · Post by **MD-2389** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:39 pm

Diedel wrote:
MD-2389 wrote:Now if only you'll fix the deadzone slider, or offer a command line option, it'll be even better!
You should read the D2X-W32 update notes once in a while ...

Yeah, I saw that browsing the board while I wasn't logged in last night.

novacron · Post by **novacron** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 8:29 pm

Now all we need are the proper textures in it as well

hehe

You the man once again diedel

Diedel · Post by **Diedel** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:08 am

lars wrote:Cool
But I find it very hard to kill the robots in the D1 single player. Also they dont do a lot of dammage to me.

The reason for this is that you haven't copied the Descent 1 data files to your Descent 2 folder. This will cause weapons to do no damage at all in Descent 1 levels played with D2X-W32 v1.4.57. I have fixed this so that D2X-W32 v1.4.58 and above will use the D2 damage values in such levels if no D1 data is present, but you will need to copy the D1 data to your D2 folder to have the D1 weapon balance in D1 levels with D2X-W32.

lars · Post by **lars** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:45 pm

Thank you, but what D1 data, all of them. I put in the HOG file, what is missing?

lars · Post by **lars** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:25 pm

Ok, I forgot the PIG-file.
Pretty cool. How i just love D1!

You know, the AI has changed, I think it is for the better.

Time for D1X-W32?

Time for D1X-W32?

Cool

Re: Cool

Thank you