UTAH - the church of the Later Day Saints (LDS) otherwise known as Mormons. i'd heard before how this religion has it's home in Utah, but that's becides the point. what i'd like to bring attention to is the fucked up Utah Rave Bust that Skyman brought up in the cafe.
the official centralised website for the recent (something like 5 days ago) incident is at http://www.music-versus-guns.org if you missed it - truly horrifying stuff.
i now wonder if this is simply what happens when you mix religion (christianity) and government (or in this case - law).
i was reading through the comments for this article covering it and noted a lot of people with views that this whole incident is really caused by the LDS church's cultural fingers in Utah's law enforcement and government.
it's well known to me that the Hedonistic Party scene and drug scene's main arch-enemy is the authoritarian Christian right and their one-size-fits-all Puritan ethics that they seem to want to impose onto everyone instead of letting ppl do (or don't do) what they want.
Their neverending quest to subjugate the Pagans. i wish they'd just drop it and get with the 21st century damnit - LIBERTY FOR ALL (that means liberalism all you conservative christian fanatic rightwing authoritarian ppl).
here are some of the comments ppl left for that article regarding LDS.
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Mark Harmon - Comment made: Aug 23, 2005 - 11:25 AMWow! Are you confused. I am a Viet Nam veteran, 62 years old. I have seen this behavior before (Chicago Republican Convention, 1968, for instance.) I am not LDS. I recognize tyranny when I see it. I was not at the rave, don't use illegal drugs, alcohol or tobacco. That does not mean I cannot recognize the rights of others to use legal drugs, and for the vast majority at a gathering, the right to gather. These "police" are LDS enforcers via terrorist tactics. All illegal activities at this gathering could have been taken care of without shutting down this business enterprise, threatening people with loaded assault rifles, dogs and tear gas. This was a terrorist activity by a bunch of out of control cowboys satisfying their own lust for violence, against unarmed people, of course. I suspect that, like Al Quiada, if these people came up against real patriotic American soldiers, they would be easily defeated.Anonymous wrote:Sounds to me that you choose to "smoke" the issue with everything but the truth. You want to be called adults when it is convenient but when it makes others seems oppressive you want to be called "children". You also need to take a stats class to get an accurate % of who was doing what. Time to own up, stand up and grow up.Matt Damon wrote: I see the LDS are behaving as the Taliban again. The Utah county swat team, et al make the Klu Klux Klan of the 20's and 30's look like high tea society. This was one of two things. Most likely, an LDS goon squad making sure that kids don't listen to live music and dance, using a 5% criminal activity factor as an excuse. And possible, a paramilitary training operation to get the militarized local police accustomed to abusing unarmed citizens.
Is it really necessary to put 90 combat arrayed military style personnel carrying loaded fully automatic weapons against 300 children at a dance? I don't think so. The relative handful that were using illegal substances could have been taken care of without even disturbing the remaining 95% of the people. That is, apparently, not what was desired. If you go to a dance in Utah, the LDS goon squads will terrorize you. The video is plan. A lot of the police personnel were abusing and mistreating children under color of authority. When there are so many legitimate needs for law enforcement to take care of, this kind of waste of resources so a few can feel as though they have enhanced their manhood while protecting
LDS "morality", is disgraceful.
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Guest - Comment made: Aug 23, 2005 - 10:59 AMSheriff Tracy is a pompous, egotistical man who needs to learn the facts before spending a bunch of taxdollars beating up on very nice people. Most of your "loser dopers" in utah county are your mormon housewives who have too many kids and want to lose weight so they turn too meth to stay up and lose some pounds. Most people who go to "raves" are people who want to dance and have a good time. There will always be those "bad seeds." They are even in your church picnics and family gatherings. As for eveidence, You don't think it's odd that it was just "a handful" of drugs last night and suddenly this morning it's "bags and bags" of ecstasy. Hmmmm that's funny... Overdosed people DO NOT get "treated at the scene" and released. I watched my best friend OD and she was in the hospital all night long. You don't think that any weapons, counterfeit money, and drugs get into the church dances that get put on every once in awhile? Maybe we should get good ol Sheriff Tracy to raid one of those and find out. Betcha a grand you find paraphanelia and drugs. Think on that one for awhile. Whats that fancy scripture phrase " Judge not lest ye be judged?"Guest wrote:I appreciate Sheriff Tracy and the officers involved. I don't care if they did rough up the crowd - don't bring your dope to Utah County if you don't like it. It is amazing that these punks cry foul but Sheriff Tracy has the most daming evidence: all the confiscated drugs, guns, counterfeit money, and the overdosed girl.
Funny how these "kids" fail to mention that in the rave website it does not give the location of the rave until just two hours before the event. Hmm wonder why? Maybe because they know what goes on there and they don't want the cops to come? I am glad Sheriff Tracy has taken this approach I just hope all loser dopers will stay out of Utah County. Keep up the good work cops.
Ohh I forgot to mention, one of the loser drugies said that the cops "treated them like criminals." LOL duh YOU ARE criminals. LOL
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Guest - Comment made: Aug 23, 2005 - 11:10 AM
Is this really surprising from a state run by a bunch of militaristic religious nutjobs in a country run by a bunch of militaristic religious nutjobs?
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Guest - Comment made: Aug 23, 2005 - 12:28 PMThis sort of militaristic activity isn't run directly by the LDS organization. It is instead run by the LDS members who control and populate the police force and have the full support and encouragement of the church. Essentially the police department is doing the church's dirtywork.Anonymous wrote:That's a lot of words from someone who doesn't know much. Big hat, no horse. This "raid" was NOT commissioned, sanctioned, or in any way affiliated with the "mormon" church. Get a clue idiot!
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Quietly_Anxious - Comment made: Aug 23, 2005 - 12:34 PMNone of us want a cop around that cannot tell right from wrong.Anonymous wrote:none of us want a cop around until we need one, then they can't get there fast enough. now that's irony.
The whole premise of deciding to break up the whole group over the activities of a very small percentage of the group is wrong. Dead wrong and the police are just downright ignorant and prejudiced and fearful of anyone or anything different from their own upbringing/experience.
What I find in Utah is that being Pre-judging, basing opinion and actions upon fallacious premises is the rule, not the exception.
So many Utahans seem to think being born and raised in Utah is their ticket to heaven (at the very least the only ticket to being "acceptable") and don't even try to think outside of their tiny box.
Talk to a police officer, listen to their own words. They don't know the difference between lawful law enforcement, and the abuse of ordinary citizens. Anything goes for them if they can find a tangential line to some law they think may be broken by someone.
We do want the protection of the police, they seldom give it. They most often give abuse, don't care, won't see another viewpoint. Uthans in general can't see that people who are different are not bad.
The right to peaceably assemble was stolen. The police acted stupidly, criminally.
The Constitution does not say there is a limit to how many people can assemble, nor does it specify a license or permit is necessary for that right to be invoked.
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Guest - Comment made: Aug 23, 2005 - 01:49 PM
I need to clear up one particular fact (and add a bit).....It is not just teenage kids attending these music gatherings. In fact, I had witnessed an accounting of most age-brackets represented in Diamond Fork. Some people, like myself, consider themselves â??middle-of-the-roadâ?