Why own firearms

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 8:46 am

There is a segment of our population that thinks owning a firearm is akin to being a pedeophile or worse. This may make those of that persuasion think a bit differently:

A Texas woman who runs a Web site called Polimom.com served as a link between those who stayed and those who had left. With her help, they stockpiled an arsenal of shotguns, derringer pistols and an old AK-47.

They were put to use the next day.

"Some looters came up and pulled a gun on the wrong group of men," said Harris, who said he did not fire a gun himself and declined to say who else was involved in the battle.

"Two men were shot right there," Harris said, pointing down the street as he watered his rose bushes. "One was shot in the back, the other in the leg, and the third I was told made it a block and a half before he died in the street. I did not go down to see the body."

The next day a nearby stockpile of chemicals exploded, shaking the houses and sending a fireball 300 feet into the sky. The fire burned for another three days, Harris said.

"For five days we didn't need FEMA, the Red Cross or the National Guard," Harris said. "The neighborhood took care of itself."

Â© Reuters 2005. All Rights Reserved.

http://tinyurl.com/ayfk8

Sarge · Post by **Sarge** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:52 am

I stopped hunting years ago.... I'm just hanging on to my guns for when the Apocalypse comes!

ccb056 · Post by **ccb056** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:56 am

The government can't protect you, your family, or your belongings.

Dedman · Post by **Dedman** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:04 am

Cuz their fun

SilverFJ · Post by **SilverFJ** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:39 pm

ccb056 wrote:The government can't protect you, your family, or your belongings.

Nor would they if they could.
Right on.

/me proudly swaggers with his .357 mag w/ 180 grain

Hattrick · Post by **Hattrick** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:51 pm

<<proud member of whole family of gun owners.
We hunt with them
well a few of us actually prefer flicking high velocity sticks at game animals, but we still occaisionally grab our guns for a hunt with friends.

We collect them.
We all have our collection of our favorite guns from the past.

We protect our family and friends with them.
It is well known around here that most everyone in the nieghborhood has guns and wouldnt hesitate to use them to protect our family and friends if need be.(now that doesnt mean we're a bunch of gun toting rednecks that would shoot a tresspasser on site, but I guarantee you if you break into our homes you WILL be staring at a business end of a high power weapon.How you leave our home is then entirely up to you. we are happy to assist you in anyway possible).

The right to own guns was is a well fought for right here in the US and I for one will support that fight as long as I live.

Iceman · Post by **Iceman** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:52 pm

* Mossberg 835 Super Mag (3.5") 12 guage code named "Buster"
* Remington Model 870 Wingmaster 12 guage

BTW: My guns don't kill people, I do

Mobius · Post by **Mobius** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:53 pm

I'd try them for murder 1.

Protecting property is not a reason to kill someone. Property is easily replaceable, whereas human lives are not.

I hope these so-called "defenders" end up spending a very long time in jail.

Dedman · Post by **Dedman** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:56 pm

Hattrick wrote:I guarantee you if you break into our homes you WILL be staring at a business end of a high power weapon.How you leave our home is then entirely up to you. we are happy to assist you in anyway possible).

Spot on.

Iceman · Post by **Iceman** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:57 pm

Wow, I actually agree with Mobius. I am keeping my guns though ...

Gooberman · Post by **Gooberman** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:03 pm

If the looters pulled a gun on them, then I wont fault a guy for shooting them.

SilverFJ · Post by **SilverFJ** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:05 pm

Iceman wrote:* Mossberg 835 Super Mag (3.5") 12 guage code named "Buster"
* Remington Model 870 Wingmaster 12 guage

BTW: My guns don't kill people, I do

You don't kill people, gaping holes in vital organs kill people.

SilverFJ · Post by **SilverFJ** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:10 pm

While we're on the topic...

Ruger snubnose .357 mag kept with "bearshot" (180 grain hollowpoint "copkillers") "Adrienne"

Remmington .22 rifle bolt action "Wayne"

Remmington .22 rifle lever action "Garth"

Winchester 30-O6 hunting rifle "Tiki Master"

Police issue Ruger .38 special "Officer Stott" (let's just say it's not all that legal and it's namesake is still missing his firearm)

Ruger .44 cliploaded "Bill"

Ruger .45 mag "Ted"

bitches.

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:11 pm

Mobius wrote:Protecting property is not a reason to kill someone. Property is easily replaceable, whereas human lives are not.

I'm getting quite cynical lately, right now I'd say most ppl think that nothing is easier than to replace a human live.. If I wouldn't have a gun when one of the nice people that can be found around here breaks into my house while I'm at home I would wind up dead w/ a probability of 95+%. Neighbors are 10min away, cops 20. Do I keep my gun ? Hell, yes !!

Foil · Post by **Foil** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:20 pm

Mobius wrote:I'd try them for murder 1.

Protecting property is not a reason to kill someone. Property is easily replaceable, whereas human lives are not.

Agreed.

woodchip wrote:..."The neighborhood took care of itself." Â© Reuters 2005. All Rights Reserved. http://tinyurl.com/ayfk8

Hmmm. Multiple dead... chemical fire... I'm not so sure I'd want to live in that particular neighborhood.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:40 pm

"Some looters came up and pulled a gun on the wrong group of men," said Harris, who said he did not fire a gun himself and declined to say who else was involved in the battle. "

What part of what happened here do you non shoot to kill types understand? Someone pulls a gun on me and given the chance I will not hesitate to shoot them. Some of you here I am afraid would have become one of the floating corpses with bullet holes puckering your body.

Dedman · Post by **Dedman** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:00 pm

Wow, I actually agree with Woodchip. I am keeping my Berkenstocks though ...

SilverFJ · Post by **SilverFJ** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:06 pm

To the non-shoot-to-kill types, picture this and tell me how you feel.

I walk into your house with my trusty .357 and grab your wife by the throat and stick it to her belly.

Is that enough?

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:08 pm

Dedman wrote:Wow, I actually agree with Woodchip. I am keeping my Berkenstocks though ...

Hippy!

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:00 pm

Ever had your family heirlooms robbed from you? try replacing those..

Stryker · Post by **Stryker** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:12 pm

If you're good enough with a gun (and you should learn, even if you don't think you'll ever need to use the skill) shoot the idiot's kneecap instead of his torso.

He's alive, but incapable of moving anywhere until undergoing major reconstructive surgery. Plus, you don't need a super-powered gun to do it--a .22 will do the job if you hit the right place, and there's less risk of killing the idjit if he ducks. Personally, though, I still prefer my blowgun and steel rods.

Shooting his gun will also work if you get the heck out of the way as soon as you let off your shot--you do NOT want the impact triggering his gun to fire and shoot you or anyone behind you though.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:15 pm

Stryker wrote:If you're good enough with a gun (and you should learn, even if you don't think you'll ever need to use the skill) shoot the idiot's kneecap instead of his torso.

He's alive, but incapable of moving anywhere until undergoing major reconstructive surgery.

Shooting his gun will also work if you get the heck out of the way as soon as you let off your shot--you do NOT want the impact triggering his gun to fire and shoot you or anyone behind you though.

If you know what you are doing you shoot for center of mass...period. Under stress of the moment you are looking to die if you try the above.

Hattrick · Post by **Hattrick** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:26 pm

woodchip wrote:
Stryker wrote:If you're good enough with a gun (and you should learn, even if you don't think you'll ever need to use the skill) shoot the idiot's kneecap instead of his torso.

He's alive, but incapable of moving anywhere until undergoing major reconstructive surgery.

Shooting his gun will also work if you get the heck out of the way as soon as you let off your shot--you do NOT want the impact triggering his gun to fire and shoot you or anyone behind you though.
If you know what you are doing you shoot for center of mass...period. Under stress of the moment you are looking to die if you try the above.

X2

You'd have to be one cool customer to keep that kind of targeting ability under a high stress occurance such as a break in. (I.E. trained by military,or some similar agency).
Center mass is always the best strategy when protecting ones own in that situation.

WarAdvocat · Post by **WarAdvocat** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:05 pm

Stryker wrote:If you're good enough with a gun (and you should learn, even if you don't think you'll ever need to use the skill) shoot the idiot's kneecap instead of his torso.

He's alive, but incapable of moving anywhere until undergoing major reconstructive surgery. Plus, you don't need a super-powered gun to do it--a .22 will do the job if you hit the right place, and there's less risk of killing the idjit if he ducks. Personally, though, I still prefer my blowgun and steel rods.

Shooting his gun will also work if you get the heck out of the way as soon as you let off your shot--you do NOT want the impact triggering his gun to fire and shoot you or anyone behind you though.

Trick shooting belongs in a Wild West Show.

If someone points the business end of a device expressly designed to kill at a distance towards me or my loved ones, my assumption is that they intend to use it. At that point the adrenaline kicks in. I don't know about you but my hands shake a bit under those circumstances, and I WANT TO LIVE.

Firearms are not toys.

Gooberman · Post by **Gooberman** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:14 pm

You all have it wrong, you need to shoot in the corner and have it double richache and hit him in the back, that way he will think the threat is behind him.

AceCombat · Post by **AceCombat** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:31 pm

Dedman wrote:
Hattrick wrote:I guarantee you if you break into our homes you WILL be staring at a business end of a high power weapon.How you leave our home is then entirely up to you. we are happy to assist you in anyway possible).
Spot on.

OOOOOOOOOORAH!!

my father has a very nice bumper sticker on his gun safe:

From Sgt. Grit, United States Marine Corps Merchandise

"Forget Dialing 911, dial 0311!"

FYI: USMC MOS 0311: Marine Rifleman

Dedman · Post by **Dedman** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:21 pm

woodchip wrote:
Dedman wrote:Wow, I actually agree with Woodchip. I am keeping my Berkenstocks though ...
Hippy!

Hey, I'm a second amendment hippy. Thank you very much.

Fusion pimp · Post by **Fusion pimp** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:32 pm

You all have it wrong, you need to shoot in the corner and have it double richache and hit him in the back, that way he will think the threat is behind him.

You're onto something goob..I think it might be easier than trying to shoot someone's kneecap under stress. Kneecap? You're kidding me,Stryker! Go run a mile and then grab a firearm and see if you can hit something the size of a kneecap with your heart pounding and an increased breathing rate.. Then try to factor in adrenaline.
Too much T.V.

Silver.. that's all you got? I'll un-roll my firearm penis for ya.

10/22 with fejan thumhole, Johnson action, valq carbon barrel topped with a Nikon monarch 3-9x40

10/22 with fejan thumbhole valq muzzle weighted match SS barrel, topped ikwth a nikon monarch 3-9x40

Remington 700 action(blueprinted, squared, lapped, bedded, etc) with a lijian stainless match bull barrel, VLS stock, with a 1 3/4 lbs Jewel trigger. topped with a Sightron mil-dot tactical 4.5-16x50 that shoots a solid sub 1/2" MOA @ 300 yards. I can break eggs with it at 500 yards consistently.

Savage 12BVSS- Stainless/fluted match barrel, Bedded, but mostly stock topped with same scope that the Rem 700 has.

2 Ruger K77/17VMBBZ topped with the Nikon 3-9's monarchs

1 Marlin 17 BLVS

2 Savage 12's

Stoeger coach SXS

Benelli SXS in a 36" barrel

Remington 1187

Remington Brushmaster based on the BAR in a .32 Remington(try to find one of those)

Colt Officers that Les Baer comped out in .45 acp

Colt government that Bob Gilman comped out for me in a .45 acp

Colt Government that is mostly stock.

Colt Commander (series 70) that Gilman tricked out for carry. .45 ACP

Kimber TLE .45 acp

Kimer Custom stainless II .45 ACP

Sprinfield Champion .45 ACP

A/O comped out in a .45 acp

2 Magnum research Baby eagles in a .45 acp

Magnum research Baby eagle 9mm

S&W 629 .357

S&W original steel frame model 39

Taurus Titanium tracker.

Taurus tracker 8 inch in a 17 HMR topped with a tac rail and a 6x-32 Leup.

Ruger stainless single six convertable in a 6.5 inch

Walther p22

S&W 317

Marlin model 39a

Bersa .380

Barretta 22

Walther PPK

Believe it or not, I have more at my fathers house, but I haven't seen some of them in so long, I can't remember what's there. This list will have to do.

Oh, and I get to pick up my Bushmaster V AR in a couple of weeks (when it finally hits our shop- been waiting for 3 months for it)

You don't want me to type out my "firearms to buy" list.

SilverFJ · Post by **SilverFJ** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:38 pm

...
I know where I'm going when the nation hits anarchy. Fusion Pimp's house.

"2 Ruger K77/17VMBBZ topped with the Nikon 3-9's monarchs"

How much the ★■◆● did those sexy, sexy beasts run you??

Fusion pimp · Post by **Fusion pimp** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:56 pm

I purchased those a few years ago when the 17 just came out and I didn't work at the shop so I paid about 650.00 a piece for 'em, the scopes ran me about 300.00 a piece. They're a lot of fun.

Zuruck · Post by **Zuruck** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:04 pm

Not much of a gun person, my dad sure is though. He does the whole hunting/safari thing all the time. Never really was into it. Only guns I've thought were fun to fire would be the muzzle loader, which nearly broke my shoulder, and the M1 Garand...those are real guns.

I dont' carry a gun, only thing in my car is a 34" louisville slugger that would love to be swung at someone. Would hate to use it though, violence can be avoided, stay out of bad neighborhoods, and ummm..lock you doors at night. Pretty simple methinks.

Sarge · Post by **Sarge** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:21 pm

Jeez Fusion Man, all I got is a Ruger Mark 1 and a Model 94 30-30 (...and 7000 rounds of shells!

)

Gimme a map to your house so when the Apocalypse comes I can git there real quick and we can hold all them off together!!!

Fusion pimp · Post by **Fusion pimp** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:50 pm

Sarge/Silver, I can only use one at a time, help is always welcome.

violence can be avoided, stay out of bad neighborhoods, and ummm..lock you doors at night. Pretty simple methinks.

unfortunately it's not simple. What about when the bad neighborhood comes to you, finds your doors locked and comes in through a window?
It would be great if the bad guys stayed on their side of the tracks and only robbed other bad guys.

will_kill · Post by **will_kill** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:52 pm

unfortunatly, I can't own firearms now(long story)

but I sure played with 'em alot when I was a young man and I was always taught to shoot first and ask for second helpings..........

which reminds me...SilverFJ did you not mention on these boards something about you going to prison for some length of time? if in fact you did...that means your prolly in jeopardy of going back, being in possession of all those guns...(well, unless your crimes were non-violent mis-demeanors or the guns are phony or you didnt go to prison at all

).

MD-2389 · Post by **MD-2389** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:51 am

Mobius wrote:I'd try them for murder 1.

Protecting property is not a reason to kill someone. Property is easily replaceable, whereas human lives are not.

I hope these so-called "defenders" end up spending a very long time in jail.

Bet you'll say that when someone breaks in and steals your priceless posessions.

If someone breaks in, as far as I'm concerned their life is forfeit and I will not hesitate to use deadly force to protect those I care for.

WarAdvocat · Post by **WarAdvocat** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:53 am

I don't know what I would do, how I'd react to having an intruder in my house. I like to think I would give the burglar a chance to flee... Ultimately however, you invade my home, you take your life into your own hands. I'm going to be scared and angry. And I own a gun.

Think of it as evolution in action

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:42 am

Fusion pimp wrote:....I'll un-roll my firearm ***** for ya.
<snip> beautiful list of hardware</snip>....

You are my hero!!

PS: If someone is threatening and enters my home/sancuary with a gun I hope I have the discipline to shoot him quickly and continuously! There is no respawn in real life.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 8:00 am

The problem with a intruder is you do not know his intent. You don't know if he is armed (especially at night) or if he is high on drugs. You do not know if he is wearing body armor of some sort. What you do know is the intruder is not a girl scout looking to sell cookies. The old adage "shoot first, ask questions later" is very appropriate here. So what do you do?
If you can see no visible weapon, yell, "Halt or I will shoot". Intruder then has a choice to stop, leave (don't shoot the guy in the back as he trys to exit the house!)or advance. If he advances start pulling the trigger. Don't stop until the guy goes down! If the first couple of shots to the chest area don't slow him down, then start going for the head.
Prior to all this go out and shoot your primary defensive weapon on a regular basis. Better yet see if there is a shooting league at a local firing range that you can join up with. Bottom line...don't give the intruder a chance to take your life.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:17 pm

Barry, that's an astonishing collection you have.

Something I neglected to add earlier: I was involved in a home invasion. Two baddies smash in the door. One had what looked like a revolver (really chomed out so I think it was a toy), and the other had a single-barrel shotgun, which I got a good look at from the business end. The guy must have had it three feet from my face. It felt like time had frozen for me. We were forced into the bathroom while they ransacked the place. Luckily they just took the small expensive stuff. I can still remember the leader screaming: 'where are the drugs? WHERE ARE THE FKING DRUGS?'.

The cops didn't show up until a half hour later.

Now, had I had a firearm, things would have been different.

Iceman · Post by **Iceman** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:27 pm

DAYYYUMMM!!! Glad you are still here to talk about it.

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