To beat a fat man

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:16 pm

By now most of you have heard about the cops beating a 400 pound black man, where-upon he died. So just another police brutality case as the black community would lead you to believe? As NPR reported there was only a scuffle resulting in the police pulling their billies and putting the smack down on the poor sod. But then wait...Sean Hannity has the whole video and it clearly shows the fatman going after a cop and putting his big fat hammock fist into the cops face. This then triggers the cops to drawing their clubs (which also are black...no not the cops..the clups) and subduing tweedle dee in a most deliterious manner. So it is curious how this incident is reported. By careful editing, it will appear to be a police out of control incident that is sure to incite a hue and cry from the racially rightous (and incidently lead to more viewer interest and thus improved ratings). Never mind the truth, lets present the facts only as the public is percieved to desire them.

I wonder if somewhere McDonalds will enter the picture as a contributing agent to the deceased individuals condition.

Gooberman · Post by **Gooberman** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:27 pm

Did you watch the video?

The man was beaten to death, literally. Even when he was subdued they were still swatting at him.

I've got a bet going with one of my radically conservative friends that for a month i can only watch foxnews and he can only listen to NPR for our news, (just a week left thank god). So I have seen how the conservatives are just playing it off, but jebus, he was down, that means stop hitting.

Pebkac · Post by **Pebkac** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 7:13 pm

Anyone who takes a swing at or otherwise attempts to bring harm to a policeman needs to be killed. Stupidity of such magnitude has no place in the gene pool. This is a fine example of Darwinism in action.

Gooberman · Post by **Gooberman** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 7:14 pm

I'm sure you would feel the same if that was your kid.

Fusion pimp · Post by **Fusion pimp** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 7:49 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Gooberman:
I'm sure you would feel the same if that was your kid.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The difference being, my kid wouldn't take a poke at a cop... we've raised him correctly.

B-

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 8:41 pm

"The man was beaten to death, literally. Even when he was subdued they were still swatting at him."

Wrong Goob! He wasn't subdued as Fat Man would not comply to put his hands behind his back. Eventually it took 6 cops to "subdue" him. Subdued in law enforcement mean cuffed.

DCrazy · Post by **DCrazy** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 8:51 pm

Did you see the ticker at the bottom go by? He had traces of PCP in his system. That stuff makes you not go down without a fight.

The two cops combined didn't weigh as much as the big guy. He started by launching at the one cop and tackling him, bringing him down BY THE NECK.

Pebkac · Post by **Pebkac** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 9:06 pm

I'm sure you would feel the same if that was your kid.

I'm going to work hard to raise my children NOT to be morons. This man died of stupidity. Sad, but absolutely true. You fack with a cop (much less a group of cops), you've got an arse-whipping of epic proportions coming to you.

Honestly, what adult can say that they weren't aware of that little truism?

Pugwash · Post by **Pugwash** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 10:30 pm

One thing I did not see was whether the guy die of a heart attack or from the wounds recieved.

So If I'm laying face down on the floor but refuse to put my hands behind my back I am a threat to 2 men armed with guns and should be beaten to death?? Can someone explain this to me? If 2 cops cannot subdue 1 man (of any size) they shouldnt be on the streets.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 10:45 pm

Originally posted by Pugwash:

One thing I did not see was whether the guy die of a heart attack or from the wounds recieved..

He didn't have any sign of internal injury ie trauma from the beating etc.

So If I'm laying face down on the floor but refuse to put my hands behind my back I am a threat

You're a threat once you attack the cops (which he did) until you submit (he didn't). That includes putting your hands behind your back if that's what the cop tells you to do.

...am a threat to 2 men armed with guns and should be beaten to death??

WTF, shooting him would have been OK?!? You imply the guns give the cops some advantage yet you complain they used less than the force of the guns?!?!
Any man who punches armed two cops in the face and refuses to submit to an arrest is a serious threat!

Can someone explain this to me? If 2 cops cannot subdue 1 man (of any size) they shouldnt be on the streets.

They did subdue him and then they cuffed him...all 400 pounds of his PCP trippin' dangerous as hell, cop assaulting fat ass! He died of overexerting his drug poisoned oversized heart. Suicide by cop.

You ought to be thanking the cops and complaining about the news media that plays only part of the film...the part that doesn't show him drop the cop with a big punch to the face and then they mention buzz words like 'racial tensions' and 'police brutality'...journalism or race baiting...hmmm, doesn't matter as long as it's good for ratings! What's another riot or two, higher ratings that's what!!!

Cpt_deFay · Post by **Cpt_deFay** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 11:03 pm

I saw the video. And like Goob said, the man was on the ground and those cops were beating him up like barbarians. Perhaps there's more behind the story, I wasn't there, but I'm disgusted at where the Great American Democracy is heading... After years of fighting to get to a real sense of Liberty and Equality. But there is still hope, hopefully.

- Cpt. deFay

Pebkac · Post by **Pebkac** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 11:11 pm

Yeah, who wants to live in a country where it's verboten to kick a cop's ass? I hate where this country is headed.

Tyranny · Post by **Tyranny** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 11:23 pm

I think people mis-understand how police are trained to deal with situations like these. When a police officer feels he is in danger or threatened somehow they then have the right to take whatever measures they deem necassary. The only flaw to that is they're human and they make mistakes.

You watch cops and sometimes the way they restrain people seem unnecessary. The reason they do this though is for THEIR safety and the potential safety of people that could possibly be around, but you know most importantly it is for THEIR safety.

Quit your bitching, atleast it isn't the 60s and crowds of people getting beat down to near death from riot police. That was way before my time, but atleast im realistic enough to know some of you make a bigger deal out of things then need be.

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 1:18 am

Motion: I hereby request that anybody who doesn't know how dangerous someone on Angel Dust is... shut the hell up.

(Somebody needs to second this motion.)

The guy had bruises all over his legs and butt and lower back, but not much else. They weren't striking him in the chest or head, except for one swing at the chest right away to take the guy down. I seriously doubt they "beat him to death" by pounding the crap out of his legs -- his PCP-trippin' self just shut down. Show me a cop who can make a guy's heart stop by pounding on him below the waist, and I'll change my mind, but for now, I sure couldn't conclude the officers were at fault.

People on PCP are hard to stop. They just don't quit fighting, no matter how many times you've hit them, and they have an insane amount of strength. The fact that the guy died from heart failure, rather than blows to the head, shows a high level of restraint by the officers. When a guy's trippin on PCP, and you've got to arrest him, 6 cops beating the hell out of him with nightsticks isn't all that far-fetched.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Midwest/12/0 ... index.html

Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Admiral Thrawn** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 1:24 am

Wow! You guys actually seem surprised that it's being portrayed as a racially motivated issue. Whether it was or wasn't, the media ALWAYS reports these as racially motivated issues which puts people on both sides of the fence flaming at each other. It makes money for the media. The more negative it is, the more publicity it gets. I've learned to ignore this type of bull**** and just go on with my life.

roid · Post by **roid** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 1:46 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Pebkac:
Anyone who takes a swing at or otherwise attempts to bring harm to a policeman needs to be killed. Stupidity of such magnitude has no place in the gene pool. This is a fine example of Darwinism in action.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

you make it sound like police brutality is expected and ok.
are you confortable with these kindof "cross me and you're dead" goons running around your streets? o_O

as far as i'm concerned the police are NOT here to bully us around, if i punch a cop in the face, i'd expect what's comming to me.
that being, a reactionary short beating (i'd expect this of anyone cop or not) till i go down, and then an arrest when they calm down.

i would expect the cop to calm down VERY FAST. this is what they are trained to do no? i'd expect the cop to beat me and then his mate to come to his senses and stop the cop beating me (kindof reminding him he is a cop, and not a paid bully), and read me my rights.

cops are people, just like me.
they have no right to beat me anymore than you, you or you do.
if i punched you in the face, i'd expect you to hurt me MORE than a cop would. coz a cop is trained.

so basically i expect less brutality from a cop, than i do from a normal person.

that being said, in all seriousness i think these cops were scared to hell of this big guy. they were reacting outof fear.
PCB is wild, and if the cops knew he was on it, i'm not surprised if they were freaked outof their little cop-caps. they probabaly had images of unkillable unstopable zombies running through their heads. so it's kinda like the need to beat a zombie till it's pulp yeah? you know how zombies are freaky. i mean... ARGH A ZOMBIE BEHIND YOU!!! just kidding

. i'm glad the cops stopped stort of putting a stake through the guy's heart.

(i havn't had time to see the full uninterupted footage yet, i've only seen it in a few seconds glance)

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Lothar said:
The fact that the guy died from heart failure, rather than blows to the head, shows a high level of restraint by the officers. When a guy's trippin on PCP, and you've got to arrest him, 6 cops beating the hell out of him with nightsticks isn't all that far-fetched.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i have heard this too, but have never had experiece with it myself, so i'm careful how i repeat it. (remember coccaine is supposed to make black men invincible and unstopable by bullets, and "marijuana makes white women want to sleep with black men" haha.)

Avder · Post by **Avder** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 1:58 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Pebkac:
Anyone who takes a swing at or otherwise attempts to bring harm to a policeman needs to be killed. Stupidity of such magnitude has no place in the gene pool. This is a fine example of Darwinism in action.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What if the Cop is taking a swing at you, or is powermad? NOTE: NOT THAT THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS 400 POUND BLACK MAN GEETING BEATEN, I HAVNT SEEN THE TAPE, SO I AM NOT COMMENTING ON THAT. What happens then? Is it still wrong to fight back? As far as the law should be concerned, once a cop does something illegal on duty, the badge might as well not even be there, as that cop doesnt deserve that.

The only cops I respect are ones that actually investigate crimes that hurt or have hurt people. I absolutely do not respect cops that are lazy, eat doughnuts on duty, and bust people for doing 31 in a 30 because its f***in' quota week when they could be out patroling for drunk drivers, escorting someone in need of medical assistance, or lending whatever resources they can to an ongoing rape, robbery, abduction, or murder investigation.

The cops in this country on the whole have way too much power, and too many of them like to abuse it. Restraints need to be put in place. Granted, there are people out there who need extreme force to neutralize because theyre extreme idiots or have had wayyyyy too much PCP (Wasnt there a rumor somewhere that Hitler or someone had his troops on something like that so they could take a few bullets and then just fight till they bled to death?) But in general the Cops in this country need to learn discipline, integrity, and the meaning of the phrase "Serve and protect". There will be a thousand cops who will bust you for doing 5 over the limit when you werent paying perfect attention to your spedometer, but when you phone them cause you just got robbed, they'll take 2 hours to show up.

So, who holds the cops accountable?

Kyouryuu · Post by **Kyouryuu** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 10:02 am

Just remember who you'll come crying to when you are the victim of a serious crime.

The idea that police have "too much power" is absurd when you have criminals, who play by no rule book, running around tripped out on mind-altering drugs, armed with AK-47s, and with a ruthless disregard for anything standing in the way of their greed. How would you like to spend your career running into the battlefield every night, day in and day out, constantly on the alert that around that corner some guy is holding a gun? How would you like to pull over a car of four drunks that's been swerving all over the road without any sort of assistance or backup? How would you like to subdue a grotesquely fat man who can't feel pain and who just slugged you in the face? And how would you feel, after all that, when people waltz around and complain "Oh, I hate cops, what'd cops ever do for me?"

This is not to say there aren't bad cops in the world, but for Christ sake the vast majority have to act way beyond human. An ordinary person would want to beat the **** out of an adversary for leading them on a high-speed chase, or shooting their friend, or slugging their friends. Thanks to all of the rules, cops have to have these amazing powers of restraint.

I can't stand the crybabies who complain about the cops. They have one of the most arduous jobs in the world and I respect that SOMEONE has the guts to do it. Same goes for the firepeople who run into the burning house and the ambulance people who have to deal with the bloody aftermath.

And as for this notion of "Who holds the cops accountable?" Why, the media of course. Why else are they running this footage of the drugged-out fat man? And that's why there's a whole series of rules in place - in reaction to the media's attempts to spark outrage and shock against all cops for the actions of a few. We don't have Judge Dreads taking to the streets here for that very reason. Anyone who thinks we do is living in a fantasy land.

DCrazy · Post by **DCrazy** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 4:01 pm

I'll second the motion regarding the dangers of Angel Dust. That stuff makes you uncontrollable.

Tyranny · Post by **Tyranny** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 6:51 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by roid:
 cops are people, just like me.
they have no right to beat me anymore than you, you or you do.
if i punched you in the face, i'd expect you to hurt me MORE than a cop would. coz a cop is trained.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

WRONG, WRONG and DOUBLE WRONG. This post proves to me that you have NO clue wtf you are talking about on this matter roid, and that you're just talking out your ass to comment on something.

In the case of this guy..

1). He obviously broke the law by being high on drugs for them to be there in the first place. - CRIME

2). He then assaults an officer while they try to restrain him. - CRIME

He just broke several laws there for starters. Then on top of that...

3). He continues to resist arrest even WHILE being beaten down because of broken law #1 "being under the influence of drugs". - CRIME.

Like I stated before, assaulting an officer is just asking to have the **** beat out of you. It doesn't matter what the color of your skin is. The fact that this guy died because of the strain he put on his heart from not only the PCP in his system but also his attempts to resist arrest is just a sad side effect.

If you have a problem with what happend, then basically what you are saying is that "I wouldn't want that to happen to me if I were breaking the law by being caught high on drugs, then assaulting an Officer and resisting arrest, that isn't right". Well my friend, you're breaking the LAW, as far as I'm concerned you should be shot on the scene because you're a total moron

roid · Post by **roid** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 7:05 pm

so Tyranny, if i tripped up a cop in the street. what would YOU expect (and accept) to happen?

what i woudl expect is the cop to maybe turn around and do something rash, like a normal human being, coz he's pissed that i tripped him. this is expected of any human being, but if he didn't do it then congrats to him (and much respect for having the self control).

then he should arrest me for abusing a cop.

the fact that he can arrest me should be all the power fix he needs. he shoudl be happy with that.

i've already said that i'm not surprised the cops beat up this guy a "little too much" coz he was on PCB. the thing i have an issue with here is (and i quoted it in teh post) that you think it's A-OK for cops to <s>brutally beat</s> KILL (you said it) anyone who gets in their way. like you think they have some kindof RIGHT to walk the streets like gods.
here i'll quote it again:
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Pebkac:
Anyone who takes a swing at or otherwise attempts to bring harm to a policeman needs to be killed. Stupidity of such magnitude has no place in the gene pool. This is a fine example of Darwinism in action.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

it should have read liek this:

"Anyone who takes a swing at or otherwise attempts to bring harm to a policeman deserves the typical reaction of any human, that being a normal retalitory beating. then he should be arrested right there on the spot."

you are saying that, "coz he's a cop" he can beat me to a pulp if he wants to. like he has special rights to try to kick my ass.

i remember a story from about a year ago here (Brisbane Australia). these 2 bloke cops and a sheela cop were in a car, and as they drove around they saw a guy on teh street flip them off. the 2 blokes eager to impress the girl, got out of the car and began hassling the guy who flipped them off. they went at him with battons etc.

long story short, the guy was a martial arts instructor, and kicked the cops asses (broken jaw etc) (lol, they didn't see that comming). the case went to trial and the cops were chewed out for being such idiots trying to weild too much authority, and the marital arts guy got off scott free.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 8:52 pm

Roid you're dancing all around the facts trying to avoid them. Quit leaving the facts out and mixing irrelavent stuff into it!
Your marshal arts dude threatened the brisbane cops with an insult...a raised middle finger!

Raised middle finger=non lethal

The dead guy in Ohio threatened the cops with a blow to the head, a blow to the head can be lethal and most cops are trained to react to lethal force *with* lethal force. In this case they were endangering themselves in order to spare his life. Technically, legally, the partner of the cop who was hit in the head could have shot the bum at that point to prevent his partner from being killed.

From everything reported so far this was no Rodney King style beating. It was a stubborn, drugged out punk who let anger or arrogance or ignorance lead him to accidently take his own life.

Tyranny · Post by **Tyranny** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 8:58 pm

Thats because the Australian cops had no right to try and beat him up for flipping them off.

These cops were ASSAULTED, not INSULTED. There is a HUGE difference. What I was saying is that if you break the law, you deserve whats coming to you. If the cops are acting in self defense, then they have the right to do as THEY see fit.

This fat man was NOT KILLED BY THE POLICE OFFICERS. If he hadn't been on PCP and he hadn't been 400lbs FAT then this guy would have lived with only servere bruising to the legs and mid-section. Those sticks aren't meant to be lethal unless you continuously bash someone in the head with one. They are used to BEAT SOMEONE INTO SUBMISSION. That is what they were designed for, hence why they didn't draw their gun and shoot the fat bastard.

So your arguement about tripping a cop up and them not having a right to beat you to death is moot, since these police officers did NOT beat this man to death, what they did they would have had to the right to do to YOU if you had ASSAULTED and RESISTED arrest. If you had just tripped them on purpose they probably wouldn't do anything more than arrest you. If you resisted arrest then they have the right to use AS MUCH FORCE AS NECASSARRY to get you cuffed and in the cop car.

Thats all there is to it.

Pebkac · Post by **Pebkac** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 9:45 pm

I'll thank those in this thread, who saw fit to do so, to stop suggesting what I meant to say or should have said. I meant it as it sounded. He got what he deserved.

If you get all hopped up on PCP and take a swing at a group of cops, you'll probably be beaten badly. If you're a disgusting fatarse fighting cops on PCP, you may even die from the exertion. This is a good thing. Anything so that you cannot infect future generations with your dimwitted seed.

Gooberman · Post by **Gooberman** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 10:26 pm

He was under 350.

Tyranny · Post by **Tyranny** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 11:25 pm

His actual weight really doesn't have any relevance at this point. So what if he weighed less then 400lbs, he was FAT, end of story.

Kyouryuu · Post by **Kyouryuu** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 11:29 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Gooberman:
He was under 350.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh gosh. My condolences.

Still, fact of the matter. Fat guy tripped out on a deadly drug gets into a fistfight with cops. Guy probably dies of overexertion rather than being beaten. To put it bluntly, if we were dealing with evil Gestapo cops here, they would have shot first and asked questions later rather than resorting to beating hundreds of pounds of blubber with a stick.

roid · Post by **roid** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 12:18 am

arg i am beaten with the stick of logic

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:49 pm

New signature

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"arg i am beaten with the stick of logic" - roid

Zuruck · Post by **Zuruck** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 9:55 am

Cops have a tough job. YOu never know if someone is going to shoot you when you walk up to their window. You deal with stupid crap all the time, and they have the absolute right to protect themselves. What is too much force? The guy didn't submit. Submission is when the handcuffs are on and there is no movement.

Pugwash · Post by **Pugwash** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 10:41 am

The hospital report said he had a TRACE of pcp not a high level. There was no suggestion that he was TRIPPING ON PCP.
The police need to be held accountable for their actions the same as everyone else. If not we are in serious trouble. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely!
People here seem quick to give away another persons personal rights to protection from and by the law. When this guys rights are diminished so are yours, just remember that. The police are there to serve and PROTECT, that includes this man. The courts are designed to punish people not the officers on the street.
The reason the race card was played is that the Cinci cops have a history of beating black men. This was not the first beating but was the first fatality and therefore the first widely publicised occurence.
The arguement that a blow to the face could be fatal means that if you swing at a cop that it would be ok for him to shoot you. That is absolute silliness. In reality a blow to anywhere on the head or body COULD be fatal so by your arguement any resistance to arrest should be met with lethal force.

Fusion pimp · Post by **Fusion pimp** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 11:23 am

The cops also have the right to protect themselves.

Phoenix Red · Post by **Phoenix Red** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 1:28 pm

You can NEVER understand what it's like until you've been inside the mind of a police officer. They acted not only appropriately, they acted the only way they could.

You don't resist arrest. Resisting arrest, to a cop, means you're escalating the scenario. These are people who expect to have the people they're dealing with try to kill them at any moment, and for good reason. Fattie there fit the profile for trying something stupid. Not because he was black, but because he was (1) resisting arrest (2) had ALREADY taken a swing at one of them (3) was tripped out and therefor irrational.

Just because he's on the ground doesn't mean he doesn't a knife hidden somewhere, and if he's not submitting you have to think ahead to such a scenario even moreso then you would if he was calm and compliant. Even such a tremendously inflexible specemin such as we have here can split your calf and hospitalize you without effort, and with a tiny bit of exertion take it to the nearest kill line, which is very much within reach.

When you're a cop, if you don't want to die, you don't play nice with those that don't play nice first. This guy was a threat. They kept at him in a CONTROLLED MANNER that DID NOT create internal injury until he was no longer a threat. He could have made himself no longer a threat by letting them cuff him and stuff him in the cruiser, but he didn't. His fault. End of story.

MD-2389 · Post by **MD-2389** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 4:50 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by DCrazy:
I'll second the motion regarding the dangers of Angel Dust. That stuff makes you uncontrollable.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I third it. The words freight train come to mind....

Tyranny · Post by **Tyranny** » Fri Dec 05, 2003 12:32 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Zuruck:
Cops have a tough job. YOu never know if someone is going to shoot you when you walk up to their window. You deal with stupid crap all the time, and they have the absolute right to protect themselves. What is too much force? The guy didn't submit. Submission is when the handcuffs are on and there is no movement. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed, don't forget by protecting themselves they're also in the process of protecting us, that is why they were there in the first place. Who knows what these *******s they deal with day in and day out might do to other people. I feel for the people they might have already messed with before the cops even get there.

Pugwash, we've already covered the fact that he wasn't beaten to death by the cops. The injury reports show that the beating he was given was NOT fatal.

So, you think the police, who were acting in self defense against a guy who most likely out-weighed the both of them, and was high on drugs (Lets make no mistake, a *trace* of PCP is enough), was resisting arrest and was attempting to and HAD assaulted an officer should be held accountable for DOING THEIR JOB.

mmmk. I feel like a broken record here, though even on repeat the message sometimes still doesn't get through.

Fusion pimp · Post by **Fusion pimp** » Fri Dec 05, 2003 2:45 pm

I'm tired of seeing video taped 'police beatings'.
I'm tired of seeing and hearing about criminals being made out to be victims, and the law enforcement officers made out to be the bad guys.

B-

Zuruck · Post by **Zuruck** » Fri Dec 05, 2003 3:18 pm

Exactly, what did his family make him out to be? The innocent victim. Innocent victim that took a swing at the police. I know a couple of police officers, and they don't take pride in having to do things like that. You think they like having to be suspended ? You think they like being branded racists? They are doing what they are told to do, protect us, and in the process, protect themselves if it's needed. In this case, it was needed. The guy never once submitted, he continued to try and get up and get them off of him...I am so incredibly surprised they didn't bash his head in...these cops had amazing self control to continue to make damaging hits not deadly hits. The next time it's freezing cold in the winter, and you get in a car accident, and the first person to help you is a cop who sees it everyday, say...this guy shouldnt be able to defend himself. Screw off

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 9:42 am

If it was me, I'd a stuck my night stick up his fat ass and frog marched him like the all day sucker he was.

Tyranny · Post by **Tyranny** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 10:33 pm

Nice thread necromancy Woody

Sting_Ray · Post by **Sting_Ray** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 11:11 pm

I'll have to agree on that. No more thread ressurection unless you got something to say =)