Cheating

Top Wop · Post by **Top Wop** » Fri Mar 05, 2004 2:27 pm

I never knew untill this thread that there was a feud over guided missles. I use them on a regular basis and rack at least several kills by using them every week. =)

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Fri Mar 05, 2004 2:56 pm

hey Javed... lemme let you in on a little secret... this whole thread is a joke. We all treat it like a game -- just a game we occasionally make joking "you cheat because you killed me and that's not allowed" posts about ;)

Nexus_One · Post by **Nexus_One** » Fri Mar 05, 2004 3:48 pm

do i detect a little sand in someone's vag?

Zero! · Post by **Zero!** » Fri Mar 05, 2004 4:50 pm

"56k'ers cheat."

i hate u strider

VonVulcan · Post by **VonVulcan** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 9:47 pm

This is good stuff! LOL

Beowulf · Post by **Beowulf** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 10:22 pm

Well I'm glad we've gotten this all cleared up then Suncho. I told you it'd be all better if you just agreed with me and stop thinking for yourself

Suncho · Post by **Suncho** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 10:26 pm

Beowulf wrote:Well I'm glad we've gotten this all cleared up then Suncho. I told you it'd be all better if you just agreed with me and stop thinking for yourself :P

:roll:

I am thinking for myself. I just think I agree with you ;)

Shock · Post by **Shock** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 1:06 am

56k'ers cheat.

So that just leaves Omega Cannon and, hypothetically, Macs, if any Mac player ever got good enough for it to matter. Thanks for clearing that up, dude.

So I guess that leaves us with the following cheaters:
Zero
Draegos

WarAdvocat · Post by **WarAdvocat** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 7:09 am

Sentinel comes close in the Mac Department, as does whassis/ername from BoTs...NANA.

Damn mouselookers

*Javed* · Post by ***Javed*** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 8:27 am

not Nana, it's Whollycow

3vil l33t · Post by **3vil l33t** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 8:57 am

Hey! Um... *raises hand* Shove me on that list of "die-hard Mac users who, apparently, manage to cheat without knowing it for years."

WarAdvocat · Post by **WarAdvocat** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 11:18 am

Nana=Whollycow?

Or do both play w/ mouselook/MAC?

PS: Playing on a MAC isn't cheating unless you mouse and have your sens cranked.

*Javed* · Post by ***Javed*** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 3:19 pm

WarAdvocat wrote:Nana=Whollycow?

Cool...I didn't know they were the same person.

WarAdvocat · Post by **WarAdvocat** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 3:57 pm

That was a question, not a statement. We have a funny curlieque thing that lets people know that. It's called punctuation.

It looks like this: ?

We call it the "question mark"

Just for your future reference... [self-edit] (sorry for taking my bad mood out on you Javed)

Fezzik · Post by **Fezzik** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 4:40 pm

5 bux says you had to look up the spelling of "ignoramus".

KompresZor · Post by **KompresZor** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 5:15 pm

Fezzik wrote:5 bux says you had to look up the spelling of "ignoramus".

My money is on Frezzik

Neo · Post by **Neo** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 5:17 pm

Playing Descent 3 is cheating.

Suncho = Teh_HaX

*Javed* · Post by ***Javed*** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 12:27 am

WarAdvocat wrote:We call it the "question mark"

Cool...I didn't know that either.

Fusion · Post by **Fusion** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 2:04 am

Suncho-
I am really upset that you have a problem with those of us who Fly Mac D3. Does your dislike include me and My Mac, Gr.(pron. Junior). You met me at Klay's Last December, and even tho was the only mac in a garage of PC's, I did the best that I could. Yes, I was limited by my fps and pps, but I apperently was doing good enuf to impress Stresstest since he had never seen any1 fly with my pps limatations b4, til he met me.

That has to mean something, right? Prob be a good idea what you say about my fellow Mac D3ers, You just might have the Mac flying D3 Community breathing down your neck.

My two bits of defense:
[NuB]Fusion

Neo · Post by **Neo** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 3:50 am

We don't have a problem with Mac users. We have a problem with people who use mouselook. =P

WarAdvocat · Post by **WarAdvocat** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 7:23 am

Sorry guys, I'ma actually get serious on this thread now too.

I think it needs to be said that I don't have a problem w/ MAC users either. I have a problem with MAC cheaters. There's a reason that that the community has decided to disable ML on most servers, in that it creates an advantage for a select group of players, while leaving all others out.

People who use ML on their Apples are exploiting, plain and simple, and it's as lame as the wall exploit or any of the other exploits.

That being said, I think the worst part of it (for me) is that it utterly invalidates some of my tactics and I have to adjust my whole playing style to accomodate ONE user out of however many are on the server. So yes, I am teh_whiner.

Aside from the inherent gameplay advantages, the fact that they can instantly snap 180 degrees is kind of lame from an immersion standpoint as well. Makes things seem less "real".

Fezzy- I'd guess that YOU had to look up the spelling of your competition nick. Hell, I can spell prestidigitation without lookin' it up, so there. I'm better than you, Deal with it! It's good to be the king!

Stop, drop and roll!

Sergeant Thorne · Post by **Sergeant Thorne** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 8:30 am

I totally agree with WarAdvocate (he also makes a very good arguement about MAC MLers.... j/k, Fezzik

).

You can try to argue it any way you like, but if a MAC MLer's ship doesn't conform to the standard D3 ships physics, it is cheating (perhaps, in some cases, not conciously), in my opinion, and should be avoided by MAC players who appreciate fair play. Also, I think it's lame to use as an excuse that PC users have frame-rate advantages, pps advantages, etc. These things are unfortunate, in that MAC users can't achieve the same (speaking only from what I've heard), but have to do with enhancing the perception of the game, and not the actual game itself.

-Man of Steel

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:56 am

oh boy.. here we go..

Sergeant Thorne · Post by **Sergeant Thorne** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 1:03 pm

Fighting against my GL nose-to-nose while bringing your Tri-Fusion to a full charge is cheating.

Knowing what someone is doing before they know it themselves is cheating.

Darkside Heartless · Post by **Darkside Heartless** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 1:09 pm

firing anything but flares in my direction is cheating.

Neutrino · Post by **Neutrino** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 5:41 pm

rofl. I guess that makes me a hAx0r, thorney.

Triple-BaRnEy 0wnzU!

I got a kickass hacker EMD too. ;D

-Neuty

Liquid Fire · Post by **Liquid Fire** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 6:39 pm

Existing is cheating

Gooberman · Post by **Gooberman** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 6:41 pm

D3k Filez v3.14 play the game for us.

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 7:14 pm

did you use LotharBot (TM) chat technology for the in-game conversation?

If so, that's cheating, because you're not licensed for independent LotharBot development. You cheaters.

Whitewater · Post by **Whitewater** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 9:23 pm

Good thing you guys started bitching about this now, more then five years after the game came out. Maybe we can report this Outrage and they can patch it. Idiots.

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:21 am

*whoosh* over his head...

Perhaps you should re-read my earlier post in this thread, conveniently linked right here for easy access.

Oh, and a lot of us were here when the game first came out, and made the necessary comments then...

Fusion · Post by **Fusion** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:36 am

Neo- Thanx for your support.

WarA- Thanx for your support too. If it's any consalation to those of you that responded after my post in this string, I use a Joy instead of mouse for direction. Does your dislike of ML also include the PC pilots who use a mouse instead of joy, too?

Sarge Thorne- What you have heard is true, at least in my case. I am maxed out at 7pps,while online,(think 10 in a lan setup.), and fps capped at 62.5.

[NuB]Fusion

kurupt · Post by **kurupt** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:50 am

hum, im only using 3.12

where is the patch?

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:53 am

fusion,

"mouselook" is different than just mouse. Nobody cares if a pilot uses mouse.

What people care about is if a pilot either
1) uses mouse on a Mac with the sensitivity cranked way up, or
2) uses the "mouselook" option on any system
Both of those allow a player to turn their ship much faster than it should be capable of turning, and much faster than the game was really designed to allow ships to turn. It's essentially the same problem as the D2 spaceorb 180 - it allows for an unfair advantage based on a violation of game mechanics.

Use mouse all you want, even on a mac, and everyone should be cool with that -- but if you turn the sensitivity up so you can turn 180 with a flick of the wrist, you've probably entered into the realm of "cheating", or at least "very lame".

Suncho · Post by **Suncho** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:41 am

Meathead wrote:firing anything but flares in my direction is cheating.

No, firing flares is definitely cheating. It kills people's framerates.

KaTaNa · Post by **KaTaNa** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 7:25 am

Lothar wrote:fusion,

"2) uses the "mouselook" option on any system
Both of those allow a player to turn their ship much faster than it should be capable of turning, and much faster than the game was really designed to allow ships to turn. It's essentially the same problem as the D2 spaceorb 180 - it allows for an unfair advantage based on a violation of game mechanics."

Interesting....Suncho, didn't you used to have a SpaceOrb?

WarAdvocat · Post by **WarAdvocat** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 8:33 am

Lothar:

IF, and only IF, ML is enabled on the server, I don't have a problem w/ mouselookers. Personally, I won't play there, but I wouldn't call mouselooking cheating or even lame...IN THAT INSTANCE.

It's when you bring mouselook to a server that is configured to deny that ability, that I feel it's extremely lame at best, cheating at worst.

Of course I think shooting back at me is lame too, so maybe I'm whacked.

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:53 pm

actually, it's lame mouselook was even included in the game.

How many people actually run mouselook-enabled servers? If they're not shutting it off, I guess it's their own problem. But yes, the real problem is when someone brings mac pseudoML into a game where it doesn't belong.

Oh, and there's nothing wrong with owning an orb. There's just something wrong with cranking up the sensitivity in order to violate game physics. There are a lot of pilots who used orb fairly, just like there are a lot who use mac mouse fairly -- the concern is those who crank the sensitivity to absurd levels.

Sergeant Thorne · Post by **Sergeant Thorne** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:20 pm

"How 'bout a hug?" -Loyd, Dumb and Dumber

=\----,:P,----/=

Stealing Superman's kills is cheating, you bottom fisher!

Suncho · Post by **Suncho** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:39 pm

KaTaNa wrote: Interesting....Suncho, didn't you used to have a SpaceOrb?

Not in D1 or D2 though.

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