Ferno wrote:that story is three years old and has since been disproven.....
Ferno,
1) it doesn't matter how old the story is, the whole invasion is many years old so it stands to reason things reported about it are also many years old.
2) You claim the story is disproven but then go on to list a bunch of other stuff I never claimed or attributed my point to... a bunch of stuff totally unrelated and then try to disprove that...have you ever heard of the term "red herring" or "straw man argument" ? Your tactic to suddenly ascribe other reports to my point and them shoot them down is lame.
Stick to this:
"Experts said the documents and pieces Obeidi gave the United States were the critical information and parts to restart a nuclear weapons program, and would have saved Saddam's regime several years and as much as hundreds of millions of dollars for research.
David Albright, who was a U.N. nuclear weapons inspector in Iraq in the 1990s, said inspectors "understood that Iraq probably hid centrifuge documents, may have had components, and so it is very important that those items be found."
"What it is that Obeidi was ordered to keep was all the information and some centrifuge components, so that if he was given the order, he could restart the centrifuge program," said Albright, president of the Institute for Science and International Security in Washington."
Can you prove that is false without starting to go off on a bunch of unrelated topics?
Because that is what I claimed was going on!
That Saddam was hiding his WMD capabilities from the inspectors and he would use it to restart his programs as soon as he was free from the U.N. sanctions.
I never said they found a complete working factory full of centerfuges with little al Queda oompa loompa workers churning out nuclear warheads with pictures of Saddam and Ossama arm in arm painted on each rocket.
The story keeps changing alright, by you and people like you but it's easy to expose it.
you said:
"It's gone from 'saddam has wmd' to 'saddam has the capability for WMD' to 'saddam shipped the WMD out to syria', and now to 'saddam had his scientists hide parts in their homes'."
Well lets go back and see what bush really said shall we?
"The threat comes from Iraq. It arises directly from the Iraqi regime's own actions -- its history of aggression, and its drive toward an arsenal of terror. Eleven years ago, as a condition for ending the Persian Gulf War, the Iraqi regime was required to destroy its weapons of mass destruction, to cease all development of such weapons, and to stop all support for terrorist groups. The Iraqi regime has violated all of those obligations. It possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. It has given shelter and support to terrorism, and practices terror against its own people. The entire world has witnessed Iraq's eleven-year history of defiance, deception and bad faith."
Looks to me like he lists a number of reasons why Saddam is on the list:
* because of Saddams history of aggression
* his drive to attain WMD's
* his failure to comply with the cease fire from Desert Storm
* his continuing to shelter and support terrorists
* possesing and producing chemical and biological weapons
* seeking nuclear weapons
* terrorizing his own people
* eleven years of defiance, deception and bad faith regarding the U.N. inspection process
Now only after being able to go in there do we find that he didn't have the stockpiles of weapons everyone suspected. But he was required to provide us with that knowledge or else suffer the use of force. He didn't come close to complying with that directive instead he hid his capabilities, blueprints and other pieces of the puzzle. He was caught numerous times to have all sorts of things that he reported did not exist, long range missiles that were banned, or chemical and biological weapons capabilities...
Example:
June 1st 1994 UNSCOM completes destruction of known Chemical Weapons agents and production facilities.
April 7th 1995 UNSCOM seminar concludes Iraq has undeclared full scale Biological Weapons program
May 3rd UNSCOM seminar concludes Iraq has not fully disclosed past Chemical Weapons activities
Early 1995 Iraq wants deal: ‘Give us a clean report on Chemical Weapons and missiles and we will satisfy UN resolutions on Biological Weapons’
(from
here)
Let me translate that for you:
*He says he has told them everything about his chemical weapons and the U.N destroys what he gave them
*they discover he hasn't disclosed everything about the chemical weapons and they discover he has a full scale biological weapons program
*Saddam offers to tell the truth about the biological weapons if they will change their report about his failure to comply with the chemical weapons and long range missile portions of the U.N. requirements...
Gee, sure sounds like he's not following the rules to me!
So with that in mind you want me to believe the head of the Iraqi nuclear program was told to hide blueprints and centerfuge parts that were later determined by scientists to be
"
critical information and parts to restart a nuclear weapons program, and would have saved Saddam's regime several years and as much as hundreds of millions of dollars for research."
you want me to believe they were just harmless useless parts to...uhh...well you don't say...maybe a nuclear popcorn machine!
But nevermind that, all that matters is Ferno says it's not true and his reasons are because some other unrelated stuff turned out to be untrue.
Hmmm, ok sure.
