Eliminate DRM
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Eliminate DRM
What is it about \"Digital Restriction Management\" that the vast majority of people don't seem to \"get\"? Why would ANYONE buy a product where the things you purchase for it you do not own, and can not do with what you please?
Why would you actuially pay good money for a system which limits what you can do with your music - when there are countless ways to use music, and many which have not even been thought of yet?
Why would you risk the DRM rules changing to your disadvantage, such that your music is essentially locked into a single device, or can not be played on other PCs?
I simply can not understand it. If you simply refuse to buy such stupid products, then manufacturers will stop making them.
If you tell sales people that you will not purchase a device with any kind of built in DRM, and purchase a DRM-free player, then very quickly, the DRM-infected players will stop being sold.
I really can't understand it.
It doesn't matter that an iPod is cool (Frankly, I think they're junk - but that's just me.) because cool doesn't cut it when you can't do what you want with your music. Having the theoretical ability to get the DRM off your music is NOT the point. Only Hackers and Criminals do that and by doing so you are a felon, and can be imprisoned under the DMCA act.
DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A GOOD IDEA?
No, not only does the DMCA suck gorilla testicles, but it turns any legitimate attempt to control YOUR OWN MUSIC into a crime punishable by years in jail. Good one.
Why would you actuially pay good money for a system which limits what you can do with your music - when there are countless ways to use music, and many which have not even been thought of yet?
Why would you risk the DRM rules changing to your disadvantage, such that your music is essentially locked into a single device, or can not be played on other PCs?
I simply can not understand it. If you simply refuse to buy such stupid products, then manufacturers will stop making them.
If you tell sales people that you will not purchase a device with any kind of built in DRM, and purchase a DRM-free player, then very quickly, the DRM-infected players will stop being sold.
I really can't understand it.
It doesn't matter that an iPod is cool (Frankly, I think they're junk - but that's just me.) because cool doesn't cut it when you can't do what you want with your music. Having the theoretical ability to get the DRM off your music is NOT the point. Only Hackers and Criminals do that and by doing so you are a felon, and can be imprisoned under the DMCA act.
DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A GOOD IDEA?
No, not only does the DMCA suck gorilla testicles, but it turns any legitimate attempt to control YOUR OWN MUSIC into a crime punishable by years in jail. Good one.
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True but the art of creating a complete album has been destroyed by the practice of publishing the works of one-hit-wonders taking their royalties and sending them back to the garage with nothing but a debt owed to the record company.snoopy wrote:Hence why I buy cd's instead of downloading music. (Plus, the art of making a complete album is being lost in this age of only downloading singles.)
Back in the day (I'm an old dude so think early to late seventies) there were thousands of bands playing clubs that never were good enough to get a deal yet they were still better than almost every band signed today!
Kids today don't seem to aspire to be the next great song writer/performer so much as they try to fit themselves into the corporate mold so they can be next.
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The art of making a complete album was only ever really understood by the Alan Parsons' Project, Pink Floyd, and in one case, The Who. Most bands simply had a collection of songs on an album. While these were still good, I wouldn't call them complete albums.snoopy wrote:Hence why I buy cd's instead of downloading music. (Plus, the art of making a complete album is being lost in this age of only downloading singles.)
Assuming that you are counting from when bands began, and not whether they still exist, then I agree.ccb056 wrote:Does it really matter? I mean, music died in the mid 80's if not before then.
I've wanted to put stuff in Jennifer Connelly since I saw her in "Career Opportunities."Isaac wrote:80's ruled
re: the Ipod, I have one but I refuse to touch Itunes. Frack Itunes. I use my Ipod to play all my old CDs in the car, at the gym, at home, and at parties.
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Amen brother. Personally, I would include a few Rush albums in there, but I completely get your point.Shadowfury333 wrote:The art of making a complete album was only ever really understood by the Alan Parsons' Project, Pink Floyd, and in one case, The Who. Most bands simply had a collection of songs on an album. While these were still good, I wouldn't call them complete albums.
...and The Mars Volta, and Coheed & Cambria, and Metallica, and Dream Theater, and The Flaming Lips, and Radiohead, and countless others.Shadowfury33 wrote:The art of making a complete album was only ever really understood by the Alan Parsons' Project, Pink Floyd, and in one case, The Who. Most bands simply had a collection of songs on an album. While these were still good, I wouldn't call them complete albums.
And that's only "concept albums". A good album doesn't require a narrative thread through every track.
Take, for example, Pretend You're Alive by Lovedrug. Or Beck's new album (The Information). Just to name two recent ones.
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I knew that there were more bands that have made concept albums than I listed, but I wasn't aware of them. Thanks for enlightening me.DCrazy wrote:...and The Mars Volta, and Coheed & Cambria, and Metallica, and Dream Theater, and The Flaming Lips, and Radiohead, and countless others.
And that's only "concept albums". A good album doesn't require a narrative thread through every track.
Take, for example, Pretend You're Alive by Lovedrug. Or Beck's new album (The Information). Just to name two recent ones.
Mind you, APP and Pink Floyd focused quite a bit on concept albums, though I think PF made only about 3 or 4, whereas APP made all of their albums concept albums.
Don't forget Yes and Genesis.Shadowfury333 wrote:I knew that there were more bands that have made concept albums than I listed, but I wasn't aware of them. Thanks for enlightening me.DCrazy wrote:...and The Mars Volta, and Coheed & Cambria, and Metallica, and Dream Theater, and The Flaming Lips, and Radiohead, and countless others.
And that's only "concept albums". A good album doesn't require a narrative thread through every track.
Take, for example, Pretend You're Alive by Lovedrug. Or Beck's new album (The Information). Just to name two recent ones.
Mind you, APP and Pink Floyd focused quite a bit on concept albums, though I think PF made only about 3 or 4, whereas APP made all of their albums concept albums.
On topic...How bout the Creative devices? I use a Zen V Plus and it's pretty sweet. Does it have this DRM of which you speak? Hell if I know.
Zen and others are fine, but I bought an Ipod for one reason only: because it had the largest capacity of any mp3 player. I wanted my entire collection on there, at a reasonably high quality.Palzon wrote:On topic...How bout the Creative devices? I use a Zen V Plus and it's pretty sweet. Does it have this DRM of which you speak? Hell if I know.
Re: the DRM, Zen has support for MS's DRM format, meaning it can play songs protected by PlaysForSure. Ipod has support for Apple's DRM format, meaning it can play songs bought from Itunes. Both can play mp3s just fine. So what I do is keep my entire collection in mp3 format for maximum compatibility.
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Now there is a thread-split if ever i've seen one. Far more interesting than the usuall crap.Shadowfury333 wrote:The art of making a complete album was only ever really understood by the Alan Parsons' Project, Pink Floyd, and in one case, The Who. Most bands simply had a collection of songs on an album. While these were still good, I wouldn't call them complete albums.
Shadow... you are wrong.
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My iPod is not formatted with iTunes so I can use regular MP3 files and there is no restriction on how I use them. I think it's J.River Media Center 10 that I'm using, 20 gig's holds almost the whole collection and it's rock solid dependable with good battery life. It goes from a cradle in my truck to the glove compartment in my car to the tank bag on my bike to...wherever, flawlessly!
My first 5 gig (first generation) iPod was also great I only sold it to get more storage space.
My first 5 gig (first generation) iPod was also great I only sold it to get more storage space.
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Word! Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars....or just about any Bowie record was definitely a complete album as were lots of stuff from the sixties and seventies! Most Bob Dylan recordings had a completeness to them, just because they weren't laid out in one easy to follow story like Rush's 2112 or the Who's Tommy doesn't mean they aren't of a singular theme or meant to live together and represent a singular line of thought/feelings/emotion/influence/whatever.Flabby Chick wrote:...Shadow... you are wrong.
Look at Quadrophenia or Physical Graffitti....
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Right, thanks for notifying me about these. but like I said, I hadn't mentioned a lot of bands that have made complete albums.Will Robinson wrote:Word! Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars....or just about any Bowie record was definitely a complete album as were lots of stuff from the sixties and seventies! Most Bob Dylan recordings had a completeness to them, just because they weren't laid out in one easy to follow story like Rush's 2112 or the Who's Tommy doesn't mean they aren't of a singular theme or meant to live together and represent a singular line of thought/feelings/emotion/influence/whatever.Flabby Chick wrote:...Shadow... you are wrong.
Look at Quadrophenia or Physical Graffitti....