So Americans are fat stupid cattle that eat cows...

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:37 pm

People keep talking about the weight problem in America. You hear about people who have eating disorders or a body chemistry that causes massive weight gain, which for some reason always requires a 'specialist' doctor's attention. Even if the answer is simple as, \"Put less in your face. Move your legs more.\" So I really hate people who talk about America being too fat and blaming good things, like fast food. The solution isn't eating less fast food, it's working out more. An hour a day of running isn't going to ruin, that monotonous routine, you call a life. Movies like 'Fast food nation' and 'Supersize me' only hurt the hard working members of the American Beef Association. Eat more, grow stronger, and live happier.

Looking around i found out that 5 miles of straight RUNNING (not to be confused with WALKING or JOGGING) burns the equals the amount of calories that equal to 1 pound of body fat.

My workout--
I try to run about 20 miles and 500 'push ups' per week, but i eat what ever i want. I can only do 2 chin ups but i weigh 206lbs at the moment, but I'm trying hard to go up to ten by Christmas. I still have time for 2 jobs, job hunting for a thrid, friends, and my art.

Kiran · Post by **Kiran** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:40 pm

Isaac,
Maybe you should have done a bit more research before claiming that some people with eating disorders and strange body chemistry doesn't need to see \"specialists\" as you put it. Specialists are not just doctors that gives you a chart and tell you how to lose weight.They are people who especially specializes in the focus of the weight in the body and finds out what causes the weight gain. There are also some psychology involved because weight gain can be from mental and/or emotional causes. Some people's body works a lot different than many others. Sometimes all it takes to keep from gaining so much weight is a balanced calorie intakes and outtakes. Maybe you need to burn more calories and eat less. Sometimes people need to take diet pills that maximize your metabolic activity so you would lose weight. Working out isn't always the solution.
If you are a kid, then it is generally the best solution to involve more physical activity such as playing soccer or growing vegetable gardens in the summer. The majority of the kids in America, if overweight, can be brought down to the better weight.

As far as fast food is concerned, you're right. It isn't about less food. It's about eating the right size for your caloric intake. Not only is how much you eat that is important, but how much of whatever it is in the stuff that you eat. Fast food does not always contribute to weight gain. You can be on fast food meals (that gets you to where you are comfortably full, but not really full) three times a day and keep your weight the same.

For me, if I eat fast food without getting too full three times daily for a couple weeks or so, I tend to lose weight. Even with eating french fries and fried chickens. I didn't workout either. The same works for my sisters.

There's tons more I want to mention in agreement and disagreement with you, Isaac, but I don't think the rest of the BB would want to read extremely long posts.

I would like to discuss this topic with you if possible.

Flabby Chick · Post by **Flabby Chick** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:56 pm

Isaac wrote:People keep talking about the weight problem in America. You hear about people who have eating disorders or a body chemistry that causes massive weight gain, which for some reason always requires a 'specialist' doctor's attention. Even if the answer is simple as, "Put less in your face. Move your legs more." So I really hate people who talk about America being too fat and blaming good things, like fast food. The solution isn't eating less fast food, it's working out more. An hour a day of running isn't going to ruin, that monotonous routine, you call a life. Movies like 'Fast food nation' and 'Supersize me' only hurt the hard working members of the American Beef Association. Eat more, grow stronger, and live happier.

Iv'e seen some daft posts on this board before,,sh1t i've posted a few of them.....but this takes the bacon...with extra cheese...and a large coke....

JMEaT · Post by **JMEaT** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:09 am

I used to run on an elliptical machine for 1 hour a day (roughly 7-8 miles) last year. I burned about 1100 calories a day and lost 90 pounds in 5 months. It was rough, but I had never been in such good cardiovascular health in my life.

Then I got a life and couldn't get to the gym as much, needless to say I need to go back to polish up a bit.

Mobius · Post by **Mobius** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:44 pm

Isaac wrote:So I really hate people who talk about America being too fat and blaming good things, like fast food.

Dude, that is so fucked up it's scary!

There is NOTHING good about fast food. Not even the fact it is fast!

Americans (and Kiwis) are dumb ★■◆●ing morons who stuff their pie-holes with pie from dawn til dusk, and YES, eating vast quantities of fast food is a major factor in this equation.

That and the simply retarded portion size of servings in the US (and here!).

"Everything in moderation - including moderation." That's the ticket.

Jeff250 · Post by **Jeff250** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:34 pm

I've noticed that there are two types of nerds: the kind with too slow metabolisms that can't lose weight and the kind with too fast metabolisms that can't gain weight. I'm of the latter species, so I have an excuse for stuffing myself. Fast food is yum!

Testiculese · Post by **Testiculese** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 4:20 pm

simply retarded portion size

How true! Most dinners at restaurants are over the average caloric intake allowance. The plates are 15\" in diameter, and loaded edge to edge! When I go out to eat, I order dinner and a box, and I put half of everything in the box to start. I can afford to eat the whole plate, but it's a waste of food. Only a certain percentage can be digested before it passes through you, the rest rots in your body. I assume this is why fat people ★■◆● their brains out and peel the wallpaper off the walls.

Fast food can account for 1/2 your allowance in one sitting, not to mention you're entire fat allowance in one meal. This is EXACTLY why America is full of fat cows. Not only are they eating utter crap, they are SuperSizing it. McDonalds and other such pigtroughs are open in several other countries, and guess what? The number of pigs increase exponentially in those areas.

You can't get fat if you don't eat fat.

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 4:29 pm

Now I just can't let that one slide. I am able to eat the vast majority of fast food \"meals\" in a few minutes easily. However go to a normal restaurant and the portion for any meal is normally double or triple what I can eat. Sure it isn't that hard to add up over 1200-1500 calories from a fast food burger and fries meal, especially if you toss in the drink, but a normal restaurant is probably pushing 3000-4000 calories per \"meal\". That is what I call a retarded portion size. I prefer meals that I can actually eat, not something that could feed a small army!

tris · Post by **tris** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 5:31 pm

half the world starving to death, the other half eating themselves to death

*sigh*

roid · Post by **roid** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:22 pm

interesting that both Issacc and Kiran have good points.

Issacc says exersize is the most important thing, and Kiran says that a lot of eating disorders involve emotional disorders. From what i've read, the science is even more robust than that - they actually commonly involve distinct specific neuro-chemical disorders.

and something that greatly helps these neurochemical disorders? outdoor exersize!
it's not all about burning calories.

It (instantly) improves insulin sensitivity, which will reduce sugar/carbohydrate/alcohol cravings and binges, which in turn improves mental stability (by stablising your dopamine).
The sunlight is good for stablising bipolar disorders.
on and on and on

TigerRaptor · Post by **TigerRaptor** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:55 pm

I find it amazing when people try to sue fast food places all because they got to heavy.

Foil · Post by **Foil** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:35 am

Interesting. This discussion \"hits home\" for me just a bit. I can actually speak from experience about how three of the main factors being discussed here (portion sizes, emotional/neurochemical issues, exercise) affect weight:

Until about my Junior year in college, I was one of those tall skinny guys, who always got the question, \"How can you eat so much and not gain weight?\" I was 6'3\" or 6'4\", only about 175 lbs., under 6% body fat... and I ate more than twice as much as anyone I knew. I think it was a combination of my youth, and the fact that I was always active, exercising by playing football with friends and fencing at least twice a week (that's where I got my alias, \"Foil\").

Then, starting in my later undergrad and grad school years, I started gaining weight pretty rapidly. This was probably a combination of the facts that:
- my exercise habits were giving way to study time
- it was a pretty emotionally challenging time for me before I met my wife, Michelle
- my eating habits had not changed (I was still eating more than anyone I knew)
At first, I got compliments from people who had always known me as \"the skinny tall guy\", but the compliments waned after I continued getting heavier, and eventually I got all the way up to about 250+ lbs (I'm ~6'4\", so it wasn't as obvious as \"250+\" might be for someone else, but it was still certainly way above a healthy weight for me).

I'm now working to get the weight off, which is surprisingly tougher than I thought it would be. I'm finding ways to get 'active' again, but changing my portion sizes has probably been the toughest, since it's like trying to break a habit I've had since before I was a teenager. I've made progress, but it's still a slow change.

Anyway, it's interesting to see people discussing solutions to weight problems, which is a *huge* issue here in the U.S., especially in the midwest, where I'm from. In some ways, it's not as simple as just telling people to \"eat less\" or \"exercise more\", but then again, much of it does boil down to finding ways to change the ratio of intake-to-burned energy.

roid · Post by **roid** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 6:08 am

Kiran wrote:For me, if I eat fast food without getting too full three times daily for a couple weeks or so, I tend to lose weight. Even with eating french fries and fried chickens. I didn't workout either. The same works for my sisters.

if your junkfood is particularly laden with sugar/carbs (which i'll bet it is) you may be inducing hyperglycemia, which can make you loose weight.

this may indicate you are at risk for diabetes, get checked out.

TIGERassault · Post by **TIGERassault** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:06 pm

I had organisms planted inside me that reduce my weight.
They feed on sugar.
I am a happy chappy!

Kiran · Post by **Kiran** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:07 pm

roid wrote: this may indicate you are at risk for diabetes, get checked out.

I hate you

By the way, I completely agree with the outdoor exercise thing. It makes you feel 100% better in everything when you do exercise.

CORD · Post by **CORD** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:04 pm

I to was like Foil, I was in reasonably good shape and health when I was in college. That was some time ago. I found that after starting a career, I got a little more sedentary each passing year. I was gaining weight,(not a lot,10-20lbs overweight)too. Last July I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes. It was quite the wakeup call. That day, I quit all white or processed sugar, and refined, enriched, or white flour. I also started watching my portion size. As a result, I lost 20 lbs in 3 months. I am now doing treadmill work and my blood glucose levels are now within normal ranges. Not bad for 6 months work. My doctor thinks I should be diabetes free within the next year. That doesn't mean I can go back to buckets of ice cream and half a dozen dinner rolls with supper. I'll still have to continue to monitor my simple carb intake. That's white sugar and other refined, processed starches.

So there are a lot more components to any weight loss regimen than just excersize. Everyone is different.

Wareagle · Post by **Wareagle** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:01 pm

CORD wrote:I to was like Foil, I was in reasonably good shape and health when I was in college. That was some time ago. I found that after starting a career, I got a little more sedentary each passing year. I was gaining weight,(not a lot,10-20lbs overweight)too. Last July I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes. It was quite the wakeup call. That day, I quit all white or processed sugar, and refined, enriched, or white flour. I also started watching my portion size. As a result, I lost 20 lbs in 3 months. I am now doing treadmill work and my blood glucose levels are now within normal ranges. Not bad for 6 months work. My doctor thinks I should be diabetes free within the next year. That doesn't mean I can go back to buckets of ice cream and half a dozen dinner rolls with supper. I'll still have to continue to monitor my simple carb intake. That's white sugar and other refined, processed starches.

So there are a lot more components to any weight loss regimen than just excersize. Everyone is different.

I just woke up in the same Boat. I'm on two different types of pills twice daily as of now. Hopefully that will decease with exercising and less portions.

roid · Post by **roid** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 1:45 am

speaking of which, i just got a new kinda insulin to play with yesterday, it binds to proteins... PROTEINS! wooooo~~~~~
*waves arms around spookily*

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 2:43 am

wow i forgot about this thread. I’ve been away this week.
Well here's what im doing....
Here's the plan:
1. Eat a bit extra than normal and work out with pushups, running, and chin-ups. For every week add more daily pushups and chin ups. Weekends are rest days.
2. At January my metabolism should be use to eating a lot and burning a lot of calories. This is when i switch to a diet. I keep increasing the workout.
3. Drop down to 185lbs and lock by eating whatever and keeping the workout schedule to a comfortable rate.

It look simple but im proud of this plan. I don't think it can fail and it should have amazing results. And i guess i'll be posting results here. I have pics from when i weighed 240lbs, now i weigh 206.

Scorch · Post by **Scorch** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 12:12 pm

One thing that bothers me is that people tout a low-carb diet by pointing to the 1950s and 60s when people ate more meat, less carbs, and weighed less than people do today. In my opinion, the diet isn't as much of a factor as the point that people back then didn't have cable TV or the Internet and actually did stuff outside and were active. I eat a diet extremely rich in carbs, with a moderate amount of protein and fat. But you know what? I run. Even now, I'm in recovery mode and only doing 20-30 miles a week, I'm sill only 135 pounds. When I'm training hardcore and doing 70+ miles a week, I'm usually around 130. Obviously I don't expect everyone to do that amount of training, but as you said, 20 miles a week or even playing Ultimate Frisbee or football or soccer for an hour a day is fun and will do more than any fad diet.

Testiculese · Post by **Testiculese** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:47 am

Isaac, you should be eating LESS than normal, and change the things you eat.

Before a workout, eat pasta or rice. This will give you carbs for quick burning energy to keep you up for your workout. After a workout, you should eat chicken or fish for the protien and lack of fat.

You should be eating small meals, several times a day. A meal would be, say, 2 apples or a ham and cheese sandwich. Get the powdered glutamin/protien stuff and use that.

You want your workout to take the fat from your body and convert it into muscle, or just take it off your body alltogether. Overeating and working out won't do . Don't forget that your body only uses about 1/2 pound of food per meal (or something, don't quote me). Your body won't digest anymore than that. Everything else is wasted.

Diedel · Post by **Diedel** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:47 am

Kiran,

maybe Isaac simply wanted to point out that the majority of people with a weight problem don't have a problem with their biochemistry that needs a doctor's attendance.

On the other hand, people that have already been fat in their childhood probably do have a ruined body chemistry.

But then, it's not genetical, but by constant abuse of their bodies, following the bad example of their parents.

Herculosis · Post by **Herculosis** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:22 pm

Sorry to stray too far from the topic, but this article looks encouraging regarding diabetes...

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news ... bf&k=63970

Kiran · Post by **Kiran** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:50 pm

Diedel wrote:Kiran,

maybe Isaac simply wanted to point out that the majority of people with a weight problem don't have a problem with their biochemistry that needs a doctor's attendance.

That would make me feel better toward him, I was feeling a bit riled up that he seems to not fully understand what he is talking about.

Dakatsu · Post by **Dakatsu** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:28 am

For some reason I lost 5 pounds in two days... I am not sure how though.

roid · Post by **roid** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:04 am

Herculosis wrote:Sorry to stray too far from the topic, but this article looks encouraging regarding diabetes...

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news ... bf&k=63970

yep this has me pretty excited.
since type 1 diabetics have easy access to syringes, i wonder if anyone will try to inject Mashed Chilli into their pancreas - and what the result will be.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:00 pm

So now i can run 12 miles a day with no problem. (i'd run 10 a day but six laps around Dell F.H. is 12 miles) but my pushups arn't getting better. i'm still doing about 100 a day but the amount i do at once is still 20-30. I want to do 100 straight.

And i was just reading about what Testiculese said on filling up on carbs an hour before working out. Interesting stuff.

VonVulcan · Post by **VonVulcan** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:37 pm

Herculosis wrote:Sorry to stray too far from the topic, but this article looks encouraging regarding diabetes...

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news ... bf&k=63970

Nice find Herc.
LTNS BTW.

Testiculese · Post by **Testiculese** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 9:12 am

Issac, are you doing 20 and stopping, or are you doing 20 and just absolutely cannot make it up to 21?

If the former, you're not working yourself hard enough, and your muscles won't grow. You need to do them until the last one you do, you're screaming with the effort (well not like a horror movie scream, but...) and it takes about 30 seconds to finally get to the top.

Don't count how many you are doing, just do them until you physically cannot do another one, then drop your knees to the ground and do 'girl pushups' until your arms give out.

Herculosis · Post by **Herculosis** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 1:00 pm

VonVulcan wrote: LTNS BTW.

Yeah, it HAS been a while, and I'll have to do something about that.

Merry Christmas to you and your family!

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:36 pm

so I’ve just started my insane diet of eating ONLY CABBAGE. To drink i either have my favorite tea (Green), coffee (black), or simply water. This is absolute hell but with exercise it's amazing how toned you get on this diet. I lost 40 pounds in about in 3 months. Most of this weight was lost in the last month when i switched to cabbage.

I love meat.. i love mc Donald’s, i love AND (im going crazy) LOVE jack in the box's steak burger. So going to this diet is very hard.

Kiran · Post by **Kiran** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:08 am

You are crazy to go on that kind of diet. But it's your life, do whatever you want to your body.

If I need to go on a journey such as to lose weight, build muscles and tone, then I would be on a balanced diet daily. No restricting to a portion of the food group for a number of weeks or something like that.

I used to do hardcore workouts a few times a week (it was more or less my \"high\" since I always get an energy boost from it) and I ate a meal at least three times a day with some snacks if I am hungry (I can never seem to keep my appetite under control) and I came to have a very fit body. It was kick***

. I'm flabby now since I hadn't worked out since April, but I plan to get back on that lifestyle once the weather gets warmer since i lost my gym membersihip.

Topher · Post by **Topher** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:53 am

Isaac wrote:so I’ve just started my insane diet of eating ONLY CABBAGE. To drink i either have my favorite tea (Green), coffee (black), or simply water. This is absolute hell but with exercise it's amazing how toned you get on this diet. I lost 40 pounds in about in 3 months. Most of this weight was lost in the last month when i switched to cabbage.

I love meat.. i love mc Donald’s, i love AND (im going crazy) LOVE jack in the box's steak burger. So going to this diet is very hard.

Hah! I'm fairly certain that's the exact diet in Requiem for a Dream.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:42 pm

Kiran wrote:You are crazy to go on that kind of diet. But it's your life, do whatever you want to your body.

If I need to go on a journey such as to lose weight, build muscles and tone, then I would be on a balanced diet daily. No restricting to a portion of the food group for a number of weeks or something like that.

I used to do hardcore workouts a few times a week (it was more or less my "high" since I always get an energy boost from it) and I ate a meal at least three times a day with some snacks if I am hungry (I can never seem to keep my appetite under control) and I came to have a very fit body. It was kick*** . I'm flabby now since I hadn't worked out since April, but I plan to get back on that lifestyle once the weather gets warmer since i lost my gym membersihip.

Please don't think this is how i plan to eat from now on. At the top of this thread i talk about my normal diet.

and if you didn't think i was a nerd before
Oh and the reason im doing this is because im gonna look cool in this cosplay costume!!!!.... more on that in a thread i'll post next month.

Kiran · Post by **Kiran** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:13 pm

Isaac wrote: and if you didn't think i was a nerd before

I really don't know where that came from but ok.

I'm just saying that diets like that aren't good for long term effects. But since you're doing it for a costume then cool. I look forward to reading about that in your next thread. Good luck on your goals.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:21 pm

I'll post the thread when i have pics of me being the characters Zabuza, Greed, and Alucard.

My friend is making costumes for all of us so all i really need to do is add this diet to my workout.

TIGERassault · Post by **TIGERassault** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:38 pm

Isaac wrote:and Alucard.

Please don't go to British Colombia; my girlfriend will instantly fall in love with you!

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:17 pm

Kiran · Post by **Kiran** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:20 pm

Issac, how's your workout and diet going?

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:04 pm

im 188lbs-
i'll be posting pics at some point, but im no where near home at the moment.

So Americans are fat stupid cattle that eat cows...

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