Out with the old

[woodchip]

And in with the new. Excerpts from a ZDNET report on internet surveillance. What strikes me as funny is....where is the hue and cry by the left handers? The liberal bent old Grey Lady writes front page news on the government intercepting calls originating out side the US with terrorist connects yet here we have the friendly folks at the FBI now gathering in info on EVERYTHING you do on the net and there is not a peep. You don't suppose the left is averting their eyes 'cause they are hoping Hillary wins on 08? We all know how the previous Clinton Clandestancy like to use the FBI so perhaps this is why the silence on the surveillancy:


\"What they're doing is even worse than Carnivore,\" said Kevin Bankston, a staff attorney at the Electronic Frontier Foundation who attended the Stanford event. \"What they're doing is intercepting everyone and then choosing their targets.\"

\"When the FBI announced two years ago it had abandoned Carnivore, news reports said that the bureau would increasingly rely on Internet providers to conduct the surveillance and reimburse them for costs. While Carnivore was the subject of congressional scrutiny and outside audits, the FBI's current Internet eavesdropping techniques have received little attention.\"

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-6154457.html

[Genghis]

I've seen this news item in a few places, so it's not being entirely ignored. It's well known, however, that programs like Carnivore don't go away, they just get dropped from the public view and shortly thereafter quietly revived under new names.

I do wish folks were more upset about this, but I suspect after seeing privacy rights stories every month for the past 2 years, maybe they're getting too boring to print. I really think you're stretching it to try to tie this in to Hillary in any way. But I'm not surprised; you seem to see her under your bed at night and in your cereal bowl in the morning. I'm surprised you sleep or eat at all!

[Ford Prefect]

Not the most reliable and best read of news sources. Where is the Fox News lead item on it? And how Hillary is spearheading the whole drive to record the entire throughput of the internet 24/7?

[woodchip]

Not the most reliable and best read of news sources. Where is the Fox News lead item on it? And how Hillary is spearheading the whole drive to record the entire throughput of the internet 24/7?

Ummm...wasn't her hubbies right hand man the inventer of the internet and now she wants to be the one to control the internet?

[Ford Prefect]

You're right Woodchip. Time to put on the tinfoil hat.

[Kilarin]

Time to put on the tinfoil hat.

No No No! VERY bad idea!

http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/

The government has propagated this idea because they know that tin foil hats don't act as a shield, they act as an antenna, actually focusing and enhancing mind control beams.

[TechPro]

One little thing that people are constantly forgetting....

If you're not doing anything wrong (and use a little wisdom on the net)... you have absolutely nothing to be worried about.


... so don't do anything wrong. Too simple for most people.

[Kilarin]

One little thing that people are constantly forgetting....

If you're not doing anything wrong (and use a little wisdom on the net)... you have absolutely nothing to be worried about.

this isn't true for two reasons.
1: You don't have to be meaning to do something wrong to end up matching a profile and getting into trouble. Ever do a google search and get results that weren't exactly what you were looking for? now try and convince the government agents of what your intent was.

2: Apply the same argument to your house. Would it upset you to know that the government had cameras and microphones inside your house without a warrant? EVEN if you weren't doing anything illegal?

The founding fathers of the U.S. put strict limits on the governments right to search us because they had experienced abuse under a warrantless system. We've wandered a long way off of the track they laid out for us...

[Genghis]

If you're not doing anything wrong (and use a little wisdom on the net)... you have absolutely nothing to be worried about.

I really don't want to make you defensive, but I think it's important to expose this all-too-common false argument whenever I encounter it. I think I do this because it's both offensive and dangerous. Kilarin made 2 good points. There are a lot more; you can find most of them simply by Googling for "if you're not doing anything wrong". Here's a good article by my boy Bruce Schneier:

http://www.wired.com/news/columns/0,708 ... =rss.index

[Spooky]

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[Richard Cranium]

Here's a good article by my boy Bruce Schneier:

http://www.wired.com/news/columns/0,708 ... =rss.index

Very good article. I've enjoyed reading Wired for a very long time now.

RC

[Kilarin]

yep, great article Genghis. I'm a Schneier fan as well!

[Ford Prefect]

Yeah sure. Do nothing wrong and nothing bad will happen. Just like Maher Arar:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/arar/
Do nothing but be a dual citizen, get put on a watch list for no reason, change planes in a U.S. city, get deported to Syria and spend a year in a Syrian prison getting \"questioned\".
Now the good citizens of Canada get to pony up $10 million plus legal fees as compensation while the U.S. government won't even take him off the watch list. That would be like admitting they were wrong.

Don't delude yourself. Your actions can be misinterpreted to suit the political agenda of others that you may know nothing about.

[TechPro]

Yep, ya didn't fully understand what I was sayin'. Oh well. Should of left you guys to do your own rantin' and ravin'.

toodles.

[Kilarin]

ya didn't fully understand what I was sayin'

then explain it again. I'm willing to listen.

[TIGERassault]

Well it's fairly simple why most people aren't doing anything:
Most people just don't care!
Some people that would have been considered rather smart can be absolutely braindead when it comes to computers! Heck, I'd easily say that most people think the internet can be used for e-mails and surfing the web only!