Freedom in the USA

VonVulcan · Post by **VonVulcan** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:09 pm

This a goodread.

ermm, it worked before? What did I do wrong?

Jeff250 · Post by **Jeff250** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:11 pm

VonVulcan wrote:This a goodread.

ermm, it worked before? What did I do wrong?

You put a space between the 0 and the ].

VonVulcan · Post by **VonVulcan** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:14 pm

Ahhh, I missed that, thanks.

roid · Post by **roid** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:44 pm

oh wow, it's true - it is just like asking \"are your papers in order?\" or you can't travel is kinda like all those old war movies. i never thought of it like that before!

i wonder if i can board a plane without ID in Australia....
i barely fly anyway it's too expensive, but i'm so curious now

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:53 pm

Why are so many Americans so paranoid about government?
You need a driver's licence to operate a vehicle on public roadways so why not show it as ID? If you travel between countries you need proof of citizenship so why not show it as ID? Why all this freak out about having to prove who you are to some person representing a company who is charged with the responsibility of ensuring a benefit is collected by the person who owns it?
Some strange people down there. Reminds me of the fellow I met in a McDonald's in Butte Montana. The guy told me he cut out all those ID strips in the new style 20 dollar bills because with them the government could drive by his house and tell how much money he had.

Dakatsu · Post by **Dakatsu** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:10 pm

Ford Prefect wrote:Why are so many Americans so paranoid about government?

Because it doesn't represent us and takes our money anyway?

Ford Prefect wrote:You need a driver's licence to operate a vehicle on public roadways so why not show it as ID?

Mabye you can't get drunk and kill someone by accident by being a passenger on a plane?

Ford Prefect wrote:If you travel between countries you need proof of citizenship so why not show it as ID?

Mabye they want to know who is coming to the country, such as Osama Bin Laden?

Ford Prefect wrote:Why all this freak out about having to prove who you are to some person representing a company who is charged with the responsibility of ensuring a benefit is collected by the person who owns it?

Mabye because you should be able to sit on an airplane assuming you don't have a bomb or weapon, regardless of who you may be?

Im out of smart ass remarks for today

roid · Post by **roid** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:26 am

To me the whole \"travel without papers\" thing comes from what i recall of the USSR.
They had to show papers to travel, it seemed to be a form of control.

i remember in Hunt for the Red October, Sam O'Neill as Ramius' first officer, who dreams of living in Montana and wonders if in the USA you can move freely, if the U.S. allows you to go from place to place without papers.

Because you couldn't do this in USSR.

TIGERassault · Post by **TIGERassault** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:54 am

Ford Prefect wrote:Why are so many Americans so paranoid about government?

A better question would be "Why are so many Americans so paranoid about insignificant 'Freedoms'"? So what if you have to bring a proof of identity with you everytime you want to take a trip to another country? In Europe, you always have to show your passport, which you must get beforehand, if you ever intend on flying abroad.

In fact, if you are actually serious about not having freedom, then you could find a non-contested island and claim it to be a country of your own! You become your own government them!
Seriously, you're actually aallowed to do that!

CDN_Merlin · Post by **CDN_Merlin** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:52 am

If you fly and don't have proof of who you are, who will they contact if you end up dead? No one will ever know if you died, or went missing.

Herculosis · Post by **Herculosis** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:42 pm

Even IF there was a federal regulation that required all commercial air passengers to show some sort of official ID, that would still be totally different than the Nazi approach.

Just because you have to show ID doesn't mean you have to get permission from the government to fly.

Personally, I'd feel better about flying if I knew that everyone else on board DID have to show the ID. Seriously, who cares if they have to show their drivers license? Is that really such a big friggin deal if it adds a safety margin (granted, not a huge one) to ALL the passengers?

I know that this guy's trying to make a point on principle, but I think his tin foil's a little bit too tight.

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:56 pm

I think his tin foil's a little bit too tight.

exactly

roid · Post by **roid** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:46 pm

TIGERassault wrote:In fact, if you are actually serious about not having freedom, then you could find a non-contested island and claim it to be a country of your own! You become your own government them!
Seriously, you're actually aallowed to do that!

imma gonna claim the neighbouring island and declare an Air-Soft war on your island. We shall have grand armys, much innocent paint will be spilt

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