Loss of Democracy

Dakatsu · Post by **Dakatsu** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:12 am

As you all may of heard, the state of Florida doesn't get any democratic delegates (along with Michigan). To me this seems highly... undemocratic... but this is just plain fascism:
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB ... in_tff_top
Hilary Rotten Clinton here thinks that the votes should count now, after she won the state of Florida. After many people didn't vote because it would be pointless to vote when your vote literaly does not count.

The wonders of political parties...

fliptw · Post by **fliptw** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:45 am

It doesn't make sense to me that state governments get to dictate when the democratic and republican parties choose their states' delegates for the national convention.

Even though party conventions are public spectacles, the parties themselves are private entities, the concept of primaries in the US seems to be an unnecessary interference of government into private policy.

Complaining about Florida not having any democratic delegates this year is like oiling the hinges on the barn after the horse fled.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:22 am

It was the Democratic party itself that negated Florida's vote simply because the Floridians chose to make their primary earlier in the year. So now that Ms.Clinton finds she won the winner takes all delegates but can't have them, she wants the rules changed. Typical.

TIGERassault · Post by **TIGERassault** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:44 am

Simply put, anyone that even thinks about doing something like that doesn't deserve to be a president of even the smallest country!

Gooberman · Post by **Gooberman** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:21 pm

The republicans also punished the state by taking away half of their deligates--which I think is a more reasonable punishment.

If there is no punishment, every state would keep trying to jump to the front of the line for the media attention/revinew that it brings the state. We would be having the primaries for 2012 in 2009.

You can't blame Florida for wanting in on this attention, but if you don't punish them then every state will start running over this perverbial boarder.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:24 pm

Solution: Don’t break the rules.

d3jake · Post by **d3jake** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:49 pm

woodchip wrote:It was the Democratic party itself that negated Florida's vote simply because the Floridians chose to make their primary earlier in the year. So now that Ms.Clinton finds she won the winner takes all delegates but can't have them, she wants the rules changed. Typical.

I think he hit it right on the money...

Dakatsu · Post by **Dakatsu** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:55 pm

Solution: Have all primaries on the same day.

And the point of the thread is not about how Florida broke the rules, but how Hilary Clinton is trying to get them to count now, especially because it would benefit her!

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:54 pm

Historically, only a few states have had their primaries before \"super Tuesday\", and those states are considered a pretty big deal in presidential politics. Florida was not one of those. Whoever is in charge of Florida's primary decided to try to make their primary into a big deal by moving it earlier. The parties responded by taking away some or all of Florida's delegates. I think that was a perfectly reasonable response -- if you try to game the system, you're penalized.

The only \"lame\" thing about all of this is Hillary deciding, after she's won the state, that they deserve delegates. When everyone campaigns based on the fact that Florida doesn't get delegates, you can't suddenly decide that Florida should have had delegates. You can't change the rules after the fact.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:01 pm

Lothar wrote: You can't change the rules after the fact.

It is the Clinton's way.

Zuruck · Post by **Zuruck** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:58 pm

Yeah woody...your boy Bush has been great at following rules.

Screw Florida...they caused this mess in 2000...they shouldn't get to vote anyways.

Top Wop · Post by **Top Wop** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:45 pm

Lets just completely sever Flori-DUH from the rest of the US. Nothing good ever came out of that state anyways except old farts who screw up elections and cant drive.

roid · Post by **roid** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:49 pm

ah the USA's South. Texas included yes?

Dakatsu · Post by **Dakatsu** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:09 pm

Hey screw you people, its god damned New Yorkers and other northerners that keep moving down here that is making Florida suck!

WillyP · Post by **WillyP** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:12 pm

Can't blame Hilary for taking every opportunity she can. There is a lot at stake. But she does risk seeming two faced.

TIGERassault · Post by **TIGERassault** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:32 pm

WillyP wrote:Can't blame Hilary for taking every opportunity she can.

Actually, we can. She's trying to be President of the entire country!

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