Right to Bear arms (School)???
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Right to Bear arms (School)???
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/04/14/campus.guns/index.html
What are your views on this?
I'm not sure this would help. Imagine everyone at school with a gun? I understand what he's saying but also think \"what if he misses and hits someone else?\"
What are your views on this?
I'm not sure this would help. Imagine everyone at school with a gun? I understand what he's saying but also think \"what if he misses and hits someone else?\"
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ccb056 wrote:Why would concealed carry on campus be any different than concealed carry off campus?
Are you saying the proportionality of armed people vs unarmed people would be statistically different between on campus and off campus? Why would that be true?CDN_Merlin wrote:I'd be more scared of being in a school with 1000 people with guns than walking town with a fraction of the people with guns.
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So, you're against concealed carry on campus because of your actions (walking around a populated campus), and not the actions of others?
Assuming the percentage of armed vs unarmed people remains the same on and off campus (idk why it wouldn't, in fact it might be less on campus because college students typically have less income to spend on firearms), what would be the maximum acceptable number of people for you to encounter for you to feel safe?
Assuming the percentage of armed vs unarmed people remains the same on and off campus (idk why it wouldn't, in fact it might be less on campus because college students typically have less income to spend on firearms), what would be the maximum acceptable number of people for you to encounter for you to feel safe?
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What would concern me is not 23-year-old safety-conscious grad students like the one in the article, but the typical yearly influx of immature 17/18-year-old party-driven freshmen who can't be trusted with a syllabus, much less a firearm.
...Or do concealed-carry laws already enforce age requirements? (Please pardon my lack of knowledge on this subject.)
...Or do concealed-carry laws already enforce age requirements? (Please pardon my lack of knowledge on this subject.)
How many parties are actually held on campus?
Close to nil.
From what I understand there are 3 types of states with regard to concealed carry permits:
No issue
Shall issue
May issue
idk what the difference is between the last two
Also, I think shotuns can be purchased at 16, rifles at 18, and handguns/cc at 21 but I'm not entirely sure.
Close to nil.
From what I understand there are 3 types of states with regard to concealed carry permits:
No issue
Shall issue
May issue
idk what the difference is between the last two
Also, I think shotuns can be purchased at 16, rifles at 18, and handguns/cc at 21 but I'm not entirely sure.
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CCB, you must understand I have a fear of guns in general. So for me to go to class knwoing some people could have guns, scares me.
Like Foil said, immature people, emotionally driven people with guns scare me.
It would bring a new meaning to road rage. Someone looks at your test in class and he shots your brains out. I know this is far fetched but within the last 5 years we have seen many disturbing crimes being done with and without guns.
Like Foil said, immature people, emotionally driven people with guns scare me.
It would bring a new meaning to road rage. Someone looks at your test in class and he shots your brains out. I know this is far fetched but within the last 5 years we have seen many disturbing crimes being done with and without guns.
It seems that you are saying you would be more afraid of being attacked on campus by someone with a gun compared to off campus.
Is that correct?
If so, I can't understand why, other than the fact that you probably come into contact with more people on campus than off campus.
I respond to this by asking what is the maximum number of people you would feel safe comming into contact with.
Is that correct?
If so, I can't understand why, other than the fact that you probably come into contact with more people on campus than off campus.
I respond to this by asking what is the maximum number of people you would feel safe comming into contact with.
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In Arizona you must be 21 to legally own a pistol, or get a concealed carry permit. A minor can wear a pistol (not concealed) for hunting and such with parental consent.Foil wrote:What would concern me is not 23-year-old safety-conscious grad students like the one in the article, but the typical yearly influx of immature 17/18-year-old party-driven freshmen who can't be trusted with a syllabus, much less a firearm.
...Or do concealed-carry laws already enforce age requirements? (Please pardon my lack of knowledge on this subject.)
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Javelina hunting with a pistol is actually fairly popular here, (It's called the HAM hunt, handgun, archery, and muzzle loader) but I agree, a pistol is primarily for self defense. I bought my first one when I was maintaining a water line on a ranch in remote, heavily mountain lion populated country.ccb056 wrote:What do you hunt with a pistol? As far as I'm, concered the only use for a pistol is self defense, target practice, and to own it because you can.
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It's even scarier when the only people with guns are immature and emotionally driven -- because if they snap, there's nobody prepared to stop them.CDN_Merlin wrote:Like Foil said, immature people, emotionally driven people with guns scare me.
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A person who goes through the process of getting a concealed carry permit is much less likely, IMHO, to go off his rocker.
The process is expensive, time consuming, and they repeatedly drill into you the importance of personal responseability and accountability.
A person who wants to wack out and kill some one isn't gonna worry about a permit to carry his weapon concealed, nor is he gonna worry about whether or not he can legally own it.
The process is expensive, time consuming, and they repeatedly drill into you the importance of personal responseability and accountability.
A person who wants to wack out and kill some one isn't gonna worry about a permit to carry his weapon concealed, nor is he gonna worry about whether or not he can legally own it.
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One word: Social Interaction.ccb056 wrote:Why would concealed carry on campus be any different than concealed carry off campus?
I would have to say no on this one.
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one word, huh?Spidey wrote:One word: Social Interaction.ccb056 wrote:Why would concealed carry on campus be any different than concealed carry off campus?
I would have to say no on this one.
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ccb056 wrote:one word, huh?Spidey wrote:One word: Social Interaction.
I would have to say no on this one.
I'm not afraid of guns, even if there were hundreds of them around me, although I respect that they are dangerous if handled improperly. But I would be a bit more on edge around a bunch of armed college students.
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I don't think allowing permit holders to carry on campus would change the typical profile of those who actually have permits. Some of you are completely off base because you are assuming the typical college student would suddenly become armed.
It's not surprising people think that way though, it is what you are taught to think about 'gun nuts'
What you don't realize is on every campus there are a few select individuals already there who are exactly the type of person you would wish could magically appear with a gun in that one terrible moment when only the crazy guy has one! those are the type of people who would go through all the trouble to carry a gun legally.
In the few instances where a crazed shooter came onto a campus where CWP holders were attending school or other law abiding gun owners were prepared the permit holders/armed citizens stopped the shooter without firing a shot...
the following is from here
And when one of us does stand up, instead of ridiculing him for being judgmental we should stand up beside him and say \"Yea! What he said!!\"
It's not surprising people think that way though, it is what you are taught to think about 'gun nuts'
What you don't realize is on every campus there are a few select individuals already there who are exactly the type of person you would wish could magically appear with a gun in that one terrible moment when only the crazy guy has one! those are the type of people who would go through all the trouble to carry a gun legally.
In the few instances where a crazed shooter came onto a campus where CWP holders were attending school or other law abiding gun owners were prepared the permit holders/armed citizens stopped the shooter without firing a shot...
the following is from here
We, as a culture, need to to start trusting in our selves to correct the perpetrators of anti-social behavior in real time. Not just in the case of standing up with a gun to stop a crazy punk but also to stand up in different situations and say \"Hey,thats wrong!\"......This raises a question. Do shooters consider schools \"gun-free zones\"? Do they consider it unlikely that any authority figure – whether teachers or, in some cases, security guards – poses an armed threat? But in some school shooting cases, guns helped to end shooting sprees and minimize loss of life and injury.
Edinboro, Pa. A 14-year-old middle school student opened fire at a school graduation dance being held at a local restaurant. The shooter killed one teacher and wounded two students and another teacher. The armed teenager was apprehended by the restaurant owner, who grabbed his own shotgun from his office and went after the shooter. Staring into the owner's shotgun, the teen dropped his gun and surrendered.
Pearl, Miss. A 16-year-old sophomore entered Pearl High with a hunting rifle under his overcoat. He opened fire, killing two students and wounding seven. The assistant principal, Joel Myrick, ran to his truck and retrieved the .45 automatic he kept there. Running back, he spotted the shooter in the parking lot. Ordering the teen to stop, the vice principal put his gun to the shooter's neck and held him until police arrived.
Grundy, Va. At Appalachian Law School, a disgruntled student on the verge of his second suspension entered a school building and shot and killed the dean and a professor. He then shot four students, killing one. Hearing the shots fired, two students, Michael Gross and Tracy Bridges, ran to their cars to retrieve their guns. With guns aimed at the shooter, Bridges ordered him to drop his weapon. When the shooter turned and saw Bridges' gun, he laid down his weapon and put his hands in the air. (My pro-Second Amendment documentary, \"Michael and Me,\" goes into detail about this incident, as well as others.)
Professor and economist John Lott checked 280 separate news stories in the week after the Appalachian Law School shooting and only found four that mentioned the students who stopped the shooter had guns. The Washington Post, for example, said the students \"helped subdue\" the killer. Newsday wrote the shooter was \"restrained by students.\" The Richmond (Va.) Times-Dispatch, however, wrote that the shooter \"was wrestled to the ground by fellow students, one of whom aimed his own revolver at [the killer].\" Four months later, the Times- Dispatch detailed the students' actions, including the second student's use of a gun.....
And when one of us does stand up, instead of ridiculing him for being judgmental we should stand up beside him and say \"Yea! What he said!!\"
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Doesn’t anyone on this board have a sense of humor?Krom wrote:ccb056 wrote:one word, huh?Spidey wrote:One word: Social Interaction.
I would have to say no on this one.
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In many parts of the world a gun is a necessary tool. Especially if you need to hunt to eat. I bet your City has a firing range that could offer to show you proper gun safety, and allow you to fire several types of weapons in an supervised and controlled environment.CDN_Merlin wrote:None really. Remember, I'm Canadian and our laws are different. I've grown up almost not seeing a gun in real life. I think I've seen 3 first hand.I respond to this by asking what is the maximum number of people you would feel safe comming into contact with.
This would show you that guns are not to be feared and if properly stored and locked are perfectly safe. If you get hooked on shooting then you can obtain an firearms safety course offered by the local Police and apply for the FAC, then pays yer nickels to the bloated gun registry.
I too would be a little concerned to say the College party I was attending had beer and weapons available.
So like Merlin I too would be concerned about concealed carry on campus.
*Its not the gun that kills people its the retard shooting it.
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I don't know about other places but here in South Carolina my concealed weapons permit doesn't allow me to carry a weapon into anyplace that sells alcohol for consumption on premises so you will be safe from all the law abiding gun owners here although it seems the guys doing the school shootings have little regard for the law and don't even bother to get a permit for their murder weapons. So in reality you are actually less safe since the law abiding people who could protect you are forced to disarm...Canuck wrote:...I too would be a little concerned to say the College party I was attending had beer and weapons available.
So like Merlin I too would be concerned about concealed carry on campus.
*Its not the gun that kills people its the retard shooting it.
It's kind of a bad law too because almost every restaurant sells alcohol so to comply with the law you would have to leave your weapon in the car where crackheads and punks could steal it. I had a steel cable and padlock attached to the frame under my seat in one truck so I could lock my pistol safely but I usually don't carry anyway because of all the restrictions make it too much trouble.
On a side note, what's really kind of a strange feeling is walking up to a policeman while carrying a pistol under your shirt and he has no clue you are armed better than he is!
Here in Georgia, as long as you have business at a school(picking your kid up, dropping them off,ETC) you are allowed to carry a concealed weapon on school grounds. Also aside from the Georgia State Legislature, no other government or authority is allowed to make gun restrictions. Of course they do anyways but Georgia law still protects you.
Also, if you walk into a private establishment that has a \"no guns allowed\" sign they can only ask you to leave. If you refuse, then you can be charged and found guilty with trespassing, but you still retain your permit. There are other restrictions of course, but Georgia is very good about the right of the people to carry arms.
Also, if you walk into a private establishment that has a \"no guns allowed\" sign they can only ask you to leave. If you refuse, then you can be charged and found guilty with trespassing, but you still retain your permit. There are other restrictions of course, but Georgia is very good about the right of the people to carry arms.