Hillary Clinton's fondest wish?

[Bet51987]

Nope, Bett, I'm just curious since you are so gung-ho for the military, why haven't you joined? You seem perfectly fine with sending other people's kids to die so you can 'meddle in their affairs', why won't you go?

I already explained that I'm not brave enough nor strong enough and I'm not proud of it. Maybe you just like hearing me say it over and over.

If you read history, you'll find the reason those countries hate us is because we WON'T stop meddling in their affairs. If I lived in Iraq or Afghanistan, I'd feel the same way.

You'd feel the same way? Try asking the women and girls in Afghanistan for example if they liked living under Taliban rule. Better yet, try reading some history by starting here.

http://feminist.org/afghan/facts.html

You're apathy toward other human beings is indefensible.

Bee

[Tunnelcat]

If you read history, you'll find the reason those countries hate us is because we WON'T stop meddling in their affairs. If I lived in Iraq or Afghanistan, I'd feel the same way.

Thanks Testi. Spidey, if the U.S. would just concentrate on protecting it's own boarders and ports and who or what is coming through them, we would have a far better chance of keeping out the undesirables. Right now we are so preoccupied with these stupid wars (one that shouldn't have been started in the first place and the second hasn't even accomplished the goal of finding Bin Laden yet), we're taking our eyes off the ball.

These wars haven't helped lower the price of gas in the U.S. either, have they? In fact the opposite has occurred.

[Spidey]

These wars haven't helped lower the price of gas in the U.S. either, have they? In fact the opposite has occurred.

I had no idea that was a legitimate agenda as far as the wars are concerned.

And I’ll ask the question again, in a different way this time.

Does hating someone justify murder?

[Sergeant Thorne]

These wars haven't helped lower the price of gas in the U.S. either, have they? In fact the opposite has occurred.

An interesting observation to stop and make, considering that a lot of people (Liberals/Democrats?) insisted that War in Iraq was all about oil.

I guess our current situation is an interesting commentary on that bit of recent history.

[Alter-Fox]

Does hating someone justify murder?

No. NOTHING justifies murder.

[Hostile]

No. NOTHING justifies murder.

You might see that differently if someone tortured raped and killed your wife or daughter, or if you were Nirvana.. tortured killed then raped her.......

[Bet51987]

These wars haven't helped lower the price of gas in the U.S. either, have they? In fact the opposite has occurred.

Funny where our focus points are...

Bee

[Alter-Fox]

No. NOTHING justifies murder.

You might see that differently if someone tortured raped and killed your wife or daughter, or if you were Nirvana.. tortured killed then raped her.......

How can someone be raped AFTER they've been killed?

[Gooberman]

....by not leaving their body to the perpetrator in their will.

See the trouble you cause Fritz.

[Hostile]

ROFLMAO! I just laughed so hard I think I pee'd a little.....

[CUDA]

its called the \"Inheritance Tax\"

[TIGERassault]

I've asked it before, and I'll ask it again, because I didn't get an answer last time.
What \"war on American soil\"?
Really, I haven't heard of any form of foreign attack in the USA since the Twin Towers incident, and even that was a pathetic thing to be so worked up about. Heck, more Americans died in the Middle East after that incident than in that incident itself, and lets not get started on the number of non-Americans that lost their lives.

And, like always, I feel that death is about the worst thing that can happen to someone. I refuse to support helping those treated unfairly until there's sufficient support for those who are dieing. Especially when the latter takes considerably less effort and killing than the former.

[CUDA]

What "war on American soil"?

I haven't heard of any form of foreign attack in the USA since the Twin Towers incident

could this be because we went over there so they could not come over here? or MAYBE that hasn't occurred to you yet

and even that was a pathetic thing to be so worked up about.

I have to say that this is probably one of the saddest comments I have heard in a long time

[Spidey]

I've asked it before, and I'll ask it again, because I didn't get an answer last time.
What "war on American soil"?
Really, I haven't heard of any form of foreign attack in the USA since the Twin Towers incident, and even that was a pathetic thing to be so worked up about. Heck, more Americans died in the Middle East after that incident than in that incident itself, and lets not get started on the number of non-Americans that lost their lives.

And, like always, I feel that death is about the worst thing that can happen to someone. I refuse to support helping those treated unfairly until there's sufficient support for those who are dieing. Especially when the latter takes considerably less effort and killing than the former.

The point people are missing is, there have been no further attacks here because we have them preoccupied in the middle east. (defending the holy land, which they consider more important) Granted there are other reasons as well, but that is the most significant.

Try to remember there were “plenty” of attacks before 911.

and even that was a pathetic thing to be so worked up about.

You’re a butt hole.

[Sergeant Thorne]

... and even that was a pathetic thing to be so worked up about.

No, that was really rather a big deal for us.

Maybe you need to reexamine your grasp on reality if you can't recognize that.

[Gooberman]

Really, I haven't heard of any form of foreign attack in the USA since the Twin Towers incident, and even that was a pathetic thing to be so worked up about.

....2,974 dead ...what the hell gets you worked up?

[Duper]

I haven't heard of any form of foreign attack in the USA since the Twin Towers incident

could this be because we went over there so they could not come over here? or MAYBE that hasn't occurred to you yet

Actually, there have been a couple of reports of things being stopped before anything really happened. ie. cells being shut down (one here in Oregon iirc) weapons being caught inbound. That kinda thing. All that's ever given to it is a couple lines on the late news. It seems to be kept very low key. I'm sure there were events that were stopped that we never heard about, but that of course is speculation.

All out war? Naw, that's yet to come.

[Sergeant Thorne]

That was an incredibly naive statement, TIGERassault... I'm in awe. 9/11 wasn't just an isolated \"incident\" to be put on your scale, it was an all-out attack on our country--a concerted attempt to bring America to its knees.

They got the Pentagon. They were going for the White House!

Had the full length of their plans been realized, who knows what could possibly have been attempted in the ensuing state of confusion. What if our President, Vice President, etc had been in the White House, and it had been hit?

[TIGERassault]

...
Once again: 25,000 people die every day of hunger and poverty. 2,974 IS pathetic in comparison.
And I really doubt that the president of such a large country would be so under-protected that the White House would be so easy to destroy.

[CUDA]

Your naiveté astounds me

edit: P.S. your death tolls dont even make the top 20 causes world wide, maybe your focus is missplaced.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0779147.html

[Cuda68]

Your better off ignoring TigerAssualt. He clearly hates the U.S. and that's all there is to it. There is nothing that can be said, nothing we can do to ever change his mind. He just needs something to hate, kinda like the terrorist's actually.

[TIGERassault]

Your better off ignoring TigerAssualt. He clearly hates the U.S. and that's all there is to it. There is nothing that can be said, nothing we can do to ever change his mind. He just needs something to hate, kinda like the terrorist's actually.

*sigh*
No, I don't hate the US much more than I hate regular people (which would depend on your definition of hate). I do however think that the US lags behind the other first-world countries in terms of... umm... good-country-ness? And because the country's mentioned so much, it means that it comes up a lot more than it should.

But all that's still irrelevant, it has nothing to do with what I think of the US at all: I showed you why 3,000 is a pathetic figure for number of deaths. And the only one to try explain why it was a big deal otherwise was SergeantThorne.

edit: P.S. your death tolls dont even make the top 20 causes world wide, maybe your focus is missplaced.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0779147.html

...why would that list hunger at all? Hunger is the cause of the illness that caused the death.

[Will Robinson]

...I showed you why 3,000 is a pathetic figure for number of deaths....

How many people have to die in a violent attack before we should get "worked up"?
Can we apply your logic and tell the family and friends of any group of people we kill to get over it unless we kill more than the number you come up with?

Can you define: "good-country-ness" for me, I'd like to know which countries made that list and how many people they let die in a violent attack before they get worked up about it...

[Alter-Fox]

I think I've already made the point that I think ANY number of deaths is horrible.

[woodchip]

I think even the frogs would get worked up if muslims flew a plane into the Eiffel Tower when the peak number of people were on it or below it. What country wouldn't get worked up?

[CUDA]

edit: P.S. your death tolls dont even make the top 20 causes world wide, maybe your focus is missplaced.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0779147.html

...why would that list hunger at all? Hunger is the cause of the illness that caused the death.

and of course you have the proof to back up your claim that ALL those illness related deaths were caused by malnutrition right?

[Cuda68]

You have made it clear that the only subject worth talking about is world hunger, so, What do you want from us so we can speak of other issues without you assaulting us on other topics like you have for a very long time now?
You have my attention? What do you want?

[CUDA]

I would also like to know what his \"good-country-ness\" is since the US donates more monitary aid that the rest of the world.

edit: removed combined, linky posted

http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-te ... d-map.html

[Bet51987]

I would also like to know what his "good-country-ness" is since the US donates more monitary aid that the rest of the world combined.

Me too Tiger. I want to know..in detail..what you mean by "good-country-ness", and what countries are at the top of your "good-country-ness" list. I'm not being sarcastic. You've said something I'm very much interested in.

Bee

EDIT: I would like to see this split into another thread.. if it's possible.

[Spidey]

Get ready for the “Per Capita” rhetoric.

LOL…

“...why would that list hunger at all? Hunger is the cause of the illness that caused the death.”

Yes, beware of hungry people driving cars.

Ironic but, too much food can be the cause of the #1 & #2 on that list.

[Cuda68]

He is from Ireland and I just can't find where Ireland does anything for anybody but themselves and I don't believe Ireland is a third world country.

[Alter-Fox]

Ireland is not a third world country. I THINK it's part of the UK. (At least it was when I last checked.)

[Dakatsu]

This thread gets better and better!

I wub the new phrase \"good country-ness\", gonna get that on a t-shirt!

Also, Bee doesn't have to join the Army, in fact I would recommend the Marines, as the Army doesn't do diddily squat. (Source: every war we have fought in)

It's so entertaining when TigerAzzlt brings up statistics

[CUDA]

Ironic but, too much food can be the cause of the #1 & #2 on that list.

Technically it could be 4 of the top 6

[Tunnelcat]

I had no idea that was a legitimate agenda as far as the wars are concerned.

And I’ll ask the question again, in a different way this time.

Does hating someone justify murder?

The ONLY two reasons I can see why the U.S. mucks around in the Middle East is to give aide and protection for Israel and to assure the constant flow of oil to the west.

The only reason there are a lot terrorists in Iraq is because the U.S. decided to invade that country based on lies. There were no WMD's and our President knew the intelligence concerning that was faulty. Any biological weapons that Saddam may have had at one time came from the U.S. during the Iran/Iraq War. We gave that despot samples of smallpox! Remember the little photo-op of Rumsfeld and Hussein shaking hands when he was an ally of the U.S.? In fact, Bush wanted to invade Iraq BEFORE 911 and 911 gave him the political capital, justification and fear of the populace to do it. The New York media got sucked right in with psychotic fear, ready to mold and spew the President's line of propaganda! Scott McLellan just dropped the most recent bombshell concerning that one. McLellan even confirmed that Bush wanted to push Democracy into the Middle East, at the end of a gun if he had to, all to give him a presidential legacy. Bush assumed that the Iraqis would welcome Democracy even. We all know how that's turning out.

We now have a ready-made terrorist factory aimed at the U.S. that DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE. On top of that, the radicals in Iraq keep blowing up the oil fields and pipelines, removing a large chunk of oil that used to flow into the world system. Iraq used to put out 25%? of the worlds oil I believe.

Between the devalued dollar (war deficit spending) and the loss of a lot of that Iraqi oil that used to flow into the world markets AND increased world demand, we have higher gas prices. I'm afraid with either Clinton or McCain, we're going to get more of the same Washington insider crap!

And no, hate does NOT justify murder, but many people use it a such. Hate is a VERY powerful emotion.

[roid]

Your better off ignoring TigerAssualt. He clearly hates the U.S. and that's all there is to it. There is nothing that can be said, nothing we can do to ever change his mind. He just needs something to hate, kinda like the terrorist's actually.

yes TigerAssault, why do you hate America so much?

[Tunnelcat]

That one hits the nail on the head.

[Spidey]

Why do you hate America?

Because haters can only see the bad, same with all bigots…

Local Bigots, Worldly Bigots...all the same.

[Cuda68]

Your better off ignoring TigerAssualt. He clearly hates the U.S. and that's all there is to it. There is nothing that can be said, nothing we can do to ever change his mind. He just needs something to hate, kinda like the terrorist's actually.

yes TigerAssault, why do you hate America so much?

Weel OK - Maybe now that its explained he will stop hi-jacking discussions and go beg for more money than the 12 billion a year we already donate to feed 3rd world nations some where else. Like the Russians or maybe the Japense.

[TIGERassault]

Okay, I'll bite. Here's the things why I think the USA is lacking in "good-country-ness", as one Me put it.
1: It donates very little of its GDP to charity. For the WFP, of the 22 countries that promised to try and donate 7% of its GDP, the USA donates the second least, just ahead of Greece.
2: Racism. Yes, blatant racism has been banned, but black people still have considerably lower incomes on average. Heck, the fact that the phrase "black culture" is so commonplace fairly shows that point. And that's only for black people; when you add in foreigners, things get really hairy.
3: I am NOT going to go into more depth about the whole "riot against French products because their country backed out of the war" incident.
4: A very high rate of obesity. 'Nuff said.
5: Wars, wars, wars, wars, wars...
6: A high level of religious loonies. In Europe, we get very little of that "this movie/game has magic in it therefore we must protest against it as loudly as possible" stuff (seriously, EVERYONE I know that goes to any of those traditional game cons in both continents says that), and nobody goes haywire over any cult-like religions that we hear so much coming from America.
7: Bush got elected. Twice. That doesn't say much for his country.

...and that's all I can remember off the top of my head.

You have made it clear that the only subject worth talking about is world hunger, so, What do you want from us so we can speak of other issues without you assaulting us on other topics like you have for a very long time now?
You have my attention? What do you want?

At the very least, to discuss topics you know will actually make the slightest bit of difference. Instead, nearly all threads here end in "Yeah, someone should really do something about that". Because time and time again, threads are started on topics which consist of debating how the people in power should deal with something.