Fairness Doctrine

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:00 pm

Been wanting to post something about this for awhile. I'm pasting in a reply I made regarding it from the .com site:

Sadly free speech is being attacked also via a bill called the \"Fairness Doctrine\". Essentially, since the liberal talk jocky's have no ability to draw paying advertisers, the \"fairness\" doctrine would force stations to supply equal airtime to people who are basically welfare programs. So if you would have 3 hours of Limbaugh, you the station would have to give a program like Air America 3 hours also....for free. To avoid this, the station would simply drop Limbaugh from the line-up. While some of you would get all giddy over Rush being forced of the air, just try and imagine how much further this could be pushed and how all news would be disseminated.

Dakatsu · Post by **Dakatsu** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:32 pm

It is a crappy idea, and you described it well. I really have nothing to say; I hate Republicans, but I hate limiting free speech more (about 50x more)

Cuda68 · Post by **Cuda68** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:53 pm

Dakatsu wrote:It is a crappy idea, and you described it well. I really have nothing to say; I hate Republicans, but I hate limiting free speech more (about 50x more)

Yea, kinda like I hate Democrats.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:18 pm

That’s a great idea, as long as it would apply to…public TV, Movies, Commercial TV…etc (in the reverse of course, getting airtime for Conservatives)

No, of course that’s a bad idea.

TIGERassault · Post by **TIGERassault** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:59 pm

I'd say it's a good thing, actually. One politicial idea shouldn't be pushed on people unless the other politicial ideas are also present, and this bill can stop that from happening.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:37 pm

You never cease to amaze me…did you ever hear of changing the channel?

ccb056 · Post by **ccb056** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:47 pm

Cuda68 wrote:
Dakatsu wrote:It is a crappy idea, and you described it well. I really have nothing to say; I hate Republicans, but I hate limiting free speech more (about 50x more)
Yea, kinda like I hate Democrats.

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CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:38 pm

TIGERassault wrote:I'd say it's a good thing, actually. One politicial idea shouldn't be pushed on people unless the other politicial ideas are also present, and this bill can stop that from happening.

ROFL so censorship in your eye's is a good thing, well welcome to the Soviet Union

first, the political Idea as you put it cannot be "pushed" on you unless your a weak minded fool.

second, Since Conservative radio is more popular than Liberal radio is it possible that (GASP) maybe the people want to hear it more Conservative Idea's?????

Dakatsu · Post by **Dakatsu** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:17 pm

CUDA wrote:
TIGERassault wrote:I'd say it's a good thing, actually. One politicial idea shouldn't be pushed on people unless the other politicial ideas are also present, and this bill can stop that from happening.
ROFL so censorship in your eye's is a good thing, well welcome to the Soviet Union

first, the political Idea as you put it cannot be "pushed" on you unless your a weak minded fool.

second, Since Conservative radio is more popular than Liberal radio is it possible that (GASP) maybe the people want to hear it more Conservative Idea's?????

Well, since we have TV (according to conservatives) does that mean we like flashy pictures?

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:37 pm

No, it means while you liberals are laying around watching TV, we conservatives are hard at work, and can only listen to the radio…someone has to pay those welfare bills…

Dakatsu · Post by **Dakatsu** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:56 pm

Spidey wrote:No, it means while you liberals are laying around watching TV, we conservatives are hard at work, and can only listen to the radio…someone has to pay those welfare bills…

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:03 pm

TIGERassault wrote:I'd say it's a good thing, actually. One politicial idea shouldn't be pushed on people unless the other politicial ideas are also present, and this bill can stop that from happening.

So you would agree then that half of the govt. supported NPR programing should be open to conservative hosts? See, the knife does cut both ways.

Aggressor Prime · Post by **Aggressor Prime** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:15 pm

No, don't drop Rush, he is the one that points out the lies!

Dakatsu · Post by **Dakatsu** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:05 pm

Aggressor Prime wrote:No, don't drop Rush, he is the one that points out the lies!

He's threatening the evil liberal conspiracy! Sieze him!

Wow... this thread has degraded hasn't it?

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 12:19 am

The Fairness Doctrine doesn't apply to cable TV or any kind of printed media. Really fair isn't it?!?
If I was a democrat I'd be extremely embarrassed by this attempt to stomp out free speech by my party.

TIGERassault · Post by **TIGERassault** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:29 am

CUDA wrote:ROFL so censorship in your eye's is a good thing,

Speaking of which, the bill itself doesn't cause censorship itself. In fact, it does the opposite: it promotes the speech of the other demographics. It's really the radio companys'... for back of a better word, refusal to hire people of the other demographic that causes the censorship.

But still, even if the bill itself were to remove all biased political commentators from radio, I'd be for it. I'm not one of these people that buys into the "Free speech is good everytime and everywhere regardless of what is said" agenda.

CUDA wrote:first, the political Idea as you put it cannot be "pushed" on you unless your a weak minded fool.

Aaaaand nearly everyone isn't?

Tip: the answer is yes due to people being not very god-like at all. But I'm sure there'll always be one person saying that average people actually have an incredibly high resistance against persuasion...

CUDA wrote:second, Since Conservative radio is more popular than Liberal radio is it possible that (GASP) maybe the people want to hear it more Conservative Idea's?????

Yes, that's what I have against one-demographic radio like this. It doesn't tell you about the ideas of the people on the other sides.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 6:34 am

Tiger wrote:
CUDA wrote:second, Since Conservative radio is more popular than Liberal radio is it possible that (GASP) maybe the people want to hear it more Conservative Idea's?????
Yes, that's what I have against one-demographic radio like this. It doesn't tell you about the ideas of the people on the other sides.

its called a free market society. if your product is sh!t and nobody wants it then you don't have a market and you end up out of business. case in point Air America. even with the millions that Soro's pumped into it to keep it afloat it still went belly up. why? because the majority of the population doesn't give a rats a$s about what Liberal radio has to say. if they did then people would be tuning in.

what would you do if the next time you go to your local Starbuck's and order a latte, they gave you a Decalf with your regular coffee and told you the Government says you need to drink this one also?? its the same premise.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 7:59 am

We have the worst of all worlds here in the Philly market, PBS has no less than 3 left wing shows in primetime each week…Frontline, NOW and Bill Moyers Journal. This is the worst it gets…taxpayer funded liberal propaganda! (with no opposing views whatsoever)

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 8:37 am

I don't know much about Frontline, aside from the pet meds

NOW = Femininazi's? that NOW?

Moyers is probably one of the biggest liberals spewing Far left hate speech in the country. not to mention that he's a coward. he spends all his time Vomiting his hate speech in Liberal ONLY setting and refuses to answer any forum type challenge that the right gives him. the Left can hate guys like O'Reily and Hannity, but at least they have had the balls to debate issues in a public forum with the left they are now cowards.

you have My condolences Spidey. of course Portland is San Francisco North so we aren't much better

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:20 am

The liberals want equal time on stations airing conservative shows, yet I suspect they would scream and holler if their little programing space was cut in half by being forced to showcase conservative programs. Oh wait! They'll get around it by saying they are publicly funded so the Fairness Doctrine need not apply to them.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:24 pm

Another thing I would like to point out…Here in Philly, and I’m sure in most major media markets, the majority of talk show hosts are liberal, unlike Rush who is national.

We had a talk station here in the hayday of talk called WWDB, where there were many liberal hosts, but as I pointed out, they are “local”, and they always had the “prime” primetime slots, and the few local conservative hosts were on at 3:00 in the morning, Rush was on at 1:00 to 3:00 PM but the liberals always had the commute timeslots.

So this could be one of those bite you in the ass, watch what you wish for kind of things if enacted. Although getting equal time against a bunch of liberals who call themselves “non partisan” could be difficult.

Heh, no CUDA, \"NOW\" is the show Bill Moyer started, before he moved on to his journal. (but it’s close, it‘s kinda the male version)Oh, and CUDA, those are just the regular shows…then we have all the “specials”.

ccb056 · Post by **ccb056** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:47 pm

WLS 870 AM in Chicago is a pretty big station in the midwest... their company vans only turn right

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:52 pm

3 rights make a left…

Kyouryuu · Post by **Kyouryuu** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:05 pm

You know what I think is idiotic? The fact that we have \"RIGHT\" radio networks and \"LEFT\" radio networks and never the twain shall meet.

What is so damn hard about a radio network that doesn't take a side? Where the host isn't pushing an agenda down the listener's throats or cheerleading one party while lambasting the other.

I long for the day when the host doesn't start a question with \"Wouldn't you agree that-?\" The host that doesn't spell out his own political convictions before every interview and then ask for approval from a battery of sycophantic guests. The vast majority of hosts on all media are guilty of this, whether it's O'Reilly or Olbermann, Limbaugh or... someone in that amorphous Air America mess. Perhaps the only immunities on television are the Sunday public affairs shows where (gasp) you actually have two diametrically opposed viewpoints talking about an issue! Oh my gosh! Discussion!

What I'm saying is that the whole state of affairs is a disgrace to political discourse in this country. The air is divisive enough as it is without these morons trying to drive even deeper wedges between us. We don't need that kind of garbage, much less powerful politicians that play right into these politics of hate and spite.

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