Haditha, Murtha, Mutha

[woodchip]

So how many here remember John Murtha accusing certain Marines of being cold blooded murderers? Of high ranking officers covering up the Haditha affair.Lets go back to a slanted news coverage. The following newscast by inference and insurgent propaganda video condemns the marines. Note the reference to the \"Fine\" work by the NYT and Time magazine in \"investigating\" the case.



The marines are further judged, jury'd and convicted by Murtha in a single sentence:



So a 6th marine has now been acquitted of charges. Do you think Murtha will apologize for his comments. Do you thing the anti-war manipulators at the Old Moldy Lady or Time fagazine will run a feature on how they could be so wrong? Don't hold your breath.

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=67434
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54568

[CUDA]

of course they wont. its not politically advantageous to them. Murtha is just a senile old man and the Time is a Dying POS news company. nuf said

[Will Robinson]

The machine that runs this country really doesn't care which side you pick on this issue, only that you choose from one of the two sides it has prepared for you to invest in.

[Cuda68]

No he won't, he will take the hit for the Democratic Party. The Democrats and Republicans have been using misinformation for some time now. I find it odd that he voted for the invasion of Iraq:

Quote from his official web site:

Congressman Murtha voted to give President George W. Bush authorization to use military force against Iraq in October 2002. He inspected the build-up of U.S. troops in the Gulf Region weeks before the invasion and five months later in August 2003.

and then he says this a few years down the road:

\"On November 17, 2005, I said that the President’s war in Iraq is a \"flawed policy wrapped in illusion.\" What this Administration does not understand is that there is a limitation to military power. We learned throughout the last century that political, economic and diplomatic challenges are equally, if not more, important to achieving stability on the ground. And as we’ve learned over the past five years, we must ultimately win the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people.

I do respect people who are against the war to a certain point, but the twisting of information from this man makes this country look stupid. We really need to pull together and finish this. Using the war to gain leverage over the voters feelings to get the presidency through misinformation is just wrong. It puts the lives of people in jeopardy for nothing but power in the government. They should be held responsible for this, and misinformation comes from both parties also.

[woodchip]

I took the time to send Mssr Murtha a email:

Dear Sir:
With the exoneration of the sixth marine involved in the Haditha incident, will you not step up and offer your deepest heartfelt apology to the men involved? You had no problem speaking to America and the world from your lofty congressional dais to vilify and find them guilty. You had no problem being taken in by insurgent propaganda video to condemn these men. Do you now sir, have a problem with correcting your misrepresentation of them?

As a fellow ex-marine, I would have thought you, congressman Murtha,would have been the last person to be judge, jury and executioner of fellow marines before the facts were in.
Sincerely
James W Johnston

What a piece of crap:
zip code indicates that you are outside of the 12th District of Pennsylvania.

Regrettably, I am unable to reply to any email from constituents outside of the 12th District of Pennsylvania.

Click Here to return to my home page.

[woodchip]

I instead sent to my Senator in hopes message will be forwarded.

[Will Robinson]

...

Regrettably, I am unable to reply to any email from constituents outside of the 12th District of Pennsylvania.

Click Here to return to my home page.

Well if he would refrain from ever making a decision or casting a vote that had any effect on the rest of the country he might have a point there! What a scumbag for taking that dodge!!

[woodchip]

Amazing Will. I was thinking along the exact same lines. If he wants to speak only about his congressional district then he would have a point. Broadcasting his perverse self serving, power seeking diatribes to the nation then he should be accessible to the nation.

[TIGERassault]

the Old Moldy Lady or Time fagazine

Look, if you want your threads to be taken more seriously, you need to stop throwing in immature insults like that!

[woodchip]

the Old Moldy Lady or Time fagazine

Look, if you want your threads to be taken more seriously, you need to stop throwing in immature insults like that!

Gladly...when the afore-mentioned entities stop cutting the throats of individual soldiers with baseless accusations just to sell a few extra shekels worth of news print . Perhaps you should be more concerned about how your posts are received as they tend to be vacuous and tedious.

[TIGERassault]

Gladly...when the afore-mentioned entities stop cutting the throats of individual soldiers with baseless accusations just to sell a few extra shekels worth of news print .

I'm just saying, it's a lot harder to take someone seriously when they do that.

Perhaps you should be more concerned about how your posts are received as they tend to be vacuous and tedious.

Seriously, a lot harder.


Also, I feel it necessary to point out that Time Magazine did indeed correct themselves. I don't know about if NYT did though.

[CUDA]

its one thing to make a mistake AFTER you have the facts. its entirely another thing to crucify individuals with having ANY ***** IDEA of what really happened. it was a total political grandstand on his part that the left jumped onboard with the see we told ya so BS. I just hope that his constituants realise that he's a senile old jacka$s and vote him out of office.

[woodchip]

Tiger, when you say corrected, did they front page it as when the accusations were made. Or did they bury it in a 2 line piece where no one sees it when displayed on the news stand?

[Spidey]

the Old Moldy Lady or Time fagazine

Look, if you want your threads to be taken more seriously, you need to stop throwing in immature insults like that!

OMG look who's talking....

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Cuda68, What you are saying goes to what I was saying in another thread. The Dems set Bush up for failure, so they could use it to regain power.

You’re right, we should be pulling together on this.

[TIGERassault]

Tiger, when you say corrected, did they front page it as when the accusations were made. Or did they bury it in a 2 line piece where no one sees it when displayed on the news stand?

Front page? That would only make people more concerned, because something like that is very rarely done, even by regular people. Think about it: how many times, including ones you made yourself, have you seen a thread in this E&C forum dedicated to someone pointing out that they were wrong? (emphasis on the "ones you made yourself" part; I also want to see that you actually do do it youself)
Plus, people don't want their front-page news to be "this magazine is sorry because it made a mistake".

[CUDA]

its called being accountable for one's actions, something too many people in this country lack

it would have been the correct thing to do.

[Ferno]

OMG look who's talking....

....this coming from someone who got on a soap box and started whining incessantly. don't try and play that card pal.

anyways..

I'll jump in after a little bit after digesting the topic more.

[TIGERassault]

its called being accountable for one's actions, something too many people in this country lack

Something just about all people lack, actually. It's part of human nature.

it would have been the correct thing to do.

Like I said, it would be the impractical thing to do. It's the correct thing to do if you're talking morally, but it's the incorrect thing to do for every other kind of correctness. It's not culturally correct, it's not correct for delivering news, it's not correct in terms of people being happier.

[CUDA]

its called being accountable for one's actions, something too many people in this country lack

Something just about all people lack, actually. It's part of human nature.

ya I guess cowardice is part of human nature, because it takes a man of courage to stand up before people and publicly say he made a mistake

it would have been the correct thing to do.

Like I said, it would be the impractical thing to do. It's the correct thing to do if you're talking morally, but it's the incorrect thing to do for every other kind of correctness. It's not culturally correct, it's not correct for delivering news, it's not correct in terms of people being happier.

its only not correct for 2 reasons.
1. accountability
2. monetarily

It's not culturally correct,

WTF your joking right????? Culturally correct????? has this nation gone that Liberal??? that has got to be the stupidest thing I've heard in months.

it's not correct for delivering news,

it is correct for delivering news. how much better for your credibility as a new org that to say "hey we made a mistake and we are trying to get our news right"

it's not correct in terms of people being happier.

which people the condemners or the people that had their reputations destroyed by the false accusations.

again this is not about making people happy. this is about accountability and doing WHAT IS RIGHT maybe you don't understand that concept. but doing the RIGHT thing is always correct


edit: P.S.

but it's the incorrect thing to do for every other kind of correctness.

WTF is that supposed to mean???? there is ONLY 1 type of correct

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[TIGERassault]

Actually, I think I'll ask you what I asked Woodchip: how many times have you yourself made a thread dedicated to just saying that you were wrong?

ya I guess cowardice is part of human nature, because it takes a man of courage to stand up before people and publicly say he made a mistake

Indeed it is. But in any case, doing something that's so much against human nature still makes people very wary.

its only not correct for 2 reasons.
1. accountability
2. monetarily

...monetarily? Isn't that only related to money? What has that got to do with this issue?

WTF your joking right????? Culturally correct????? has this nation gone that Liberal??? that has got to be the stupidest thing I've heard in months.

Yes, culturally correct. People have a culture, and not publically announcing you made a mistake as loud isn't part of that culture. And people generally don't like habits that aren't part of their culture being forced on them.

it is correct for delivering news. how much better for your credibility as a new org that to say "hey we made a mistake and we are trying to get our news right"

Umm... that's not news.

which people the condemners or the people that had their reputations destroyed by the false accusations.

The general public who don't know the guy but believed he was guilty. Aka, most people.

again this is not about making people happy. this is about accountability and doing WHAT IS RIGHT maybe you don't understand that concept. but doing the RIGHT thing is always correct

And I'm saying it's not the right thing to do.

WTF is that supposed to mean???? there is ONLY 1 type of correct

You just spent that post debating different types of corrects.
Also, that definition does nothing to prove that there is only 1 type of correct in this context.

[Will Robinson]

it would have been the correct thing to do.

Like I said, it would be the impractical thing to do. It's the correct thing to do if you're talking morally, but it's the incorrect thing to do for every other kind of correctness. It's not culturally correct, it's not correct for delivering news, it's not correct in terms of people being happier.

I won't call you an imbecile for that statement because it might be considered a personal attack but I honestly believe it would be very hard to find any intelligent person who reads it that doesn't think it was completely imbecilic!

[CUDA]

...monetarily? Isn't that only related to money? What has that got to do with this issue?

It has everything to do with the Issue since we were talking about a Business.

Yes, culturally correct. People have a culture, and not publically announcing you made a mistake as loud isn't part of that culture. And people generally don't like habits that aren't part of their culture being forced on them.

Yes lets continue to foster that Culture of NON_ accountable ignorant people

Umm... that's not news.

you mean if a news agency stood up and said front page, we made a Mistake and we wish to correct it. that wouldn't be news. well it would be to me because its very rarely if ever happened

The general public who don't know the guy but believed he was guilty. Aka, most people.

the General Public?!?!?!?! are you frikkin insane????? lets screw the individuals rights just to make the general public "feel good", how childish

You just spent that post debating different types of corrects.
Also, that definition does nothing to prove that there is only 1 type of correct in this context.

I think its time you went back to English class and studied again. there is only 1 type of correct. you cannot pull a Clinton and change the definition of "IS" just for your liking

[woodchip]

A man in a small town goes into the town square and tells everyone who comes by that Mr X is a pediophile. The man read about it on a blog and makes sure everyone in town knows about it. Mr X is hounded out of town.
Two weeks later the man finds out the blog was written by Mr. X's ex wife who is found to have a grudge against her ex. The pediophile story was false.

To salve his conscious, the man goes into a dead end ally and whispers that Mr X is innocent.

To you Tiger, this would be adequate compensation for Mr X's shabby treatment by the man. Not to be mean Tiger but kindly find some some junior high forum board to post on as you are just not cutting it here.
From here on I will try my best to put you on ignore.

[TIGERassault]

Y'know, I'm still waiting for you to show me all the times you've properly corrected yourself in a similar situation.

A man in a small town goes into the town square and tells everyone who comes by that Mr X is a pediophile. The man read about it on a blog and makes sure everyone in town knows about it. Mr X is hounded out of town.
Two weeks later the man finds out the blog was written by Mr. X's ex wife who is found to have a grudge against her ex. The pediophile story was false.

To salve his conscious, the man goes into a dead end ally and whispers that Mr X is innocent.

What? Oh no no, they did run proper articles saying how those people were actually innocent, they just didn't make proper articles about how they were wrong.

Not to be mean Tiger but kindly find some some junior high forum board to post on as you are just not cutting it here.

That's some funny way of not being mean you got there.

EDIT: missed something:

Look, if you want your threads to be taken more seriously, you need to stop throwing in immature insults like that!

OMG look who's talking....

Right.... is this about 'you also make immature insults' or about 'you have objections with my debating points ergo you also make immature insults'? Because I stay out of insulting people as much as I can.

[CUDA]

some people just dont get it. or dont want to get it.