Careful what you say

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:04 am

So a driver is tooling along and gets pulled over by a cop:

\"An Oklahoma City police officer wrongly pulled over a man last week and confiscated an anti-President Barack Obama sign the man had on his vehicle.

The officer misinterpreted the sign as threatening, said Capt. Steve McCool, of the Oklahoma City Police Department, and took the sign, which read \"Abort Obama, not the unborn.\"

Now the last I recall, the left had all sorts of interesting things to say about Bush and what they would like to do with him, yet never was there a time that any of them had their placards confiscated. So I guess we are entering a new paradigm whose mantra is \"Thou shall not be critical of Obama\".
We can see this now in how the wars are being covered. Obama has authorized a troop surge into Afghanistan. Quick, where is Code Pink/Media Matters/Polosi/Reid/Kerry/Murtha condemning this act? Will we any longer see a daily tally of troop deaths with agonized crys as the numbers accumulate?
Will any troop scandals come to light? And where are the \"Jack booted thugs who come in the dark of night to rape and murder\" comments?
So to all of you who were anti war, are you still and will you now make active derogatory comments against Obama? The wars are Obama's now and at a stroke of a pen he could bring all our boys home as he once promised in his campaign. If he doesn't, should not the term \"Obama lied, American troops died\" be a fitting phrase?

Take a long hard look at how you were manipulated during the Bush years and how you are now being manipulated and ask yourself, \"Was I right to hate Bush\"?

As to the driver and his sign, they were eventually given back to him with a apology so all is well in America...but for how long?

Foil · Post by **Foil** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:53 am

Wow, déja vu.

I was back in Oklahoma City a couple of weeks ago, driving a vehicle borrowed from a family member... which happened to have a huge \"NO-bama\" sticker on the back window. I didn't get stopped, but I certainly remember a number of annoyed looks and honks.

Was this because OKC is a left-leaning city? Hah, hardly. Oklahoma has always been a red state, and the conservatives there are as outspoken as any I know.

It wasn't because it was a political sign, either. There were pro-McCain and \"Palin!\" signs all over the city; lots of people had leftover stuff from the election.

Rather, my impression was that it was the confrontational nature of that sticker, especially given the fact that OKC has a higher black population.

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Take it from someone who grew up there, and taught at an urban high-school near downtown: racial issues and sometimes blatant racism are still big problems in places like Oklahoma City. It's wrong, but it doesn't surprise me at all that an officer over-reacted to something he saw as threatening.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:28 am

Foil, are you assuming the driver was stopped because the cop thought the sign was racial in nature? The sign was clearly about abortion and not the color of Obama's skin.

Foil · Post by **Foil** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:32 am

No, I don't think the cop saw it as specificially racial, but from my own experience there in OKC, I can tell you that racial tensions easily heighten the impression of anything which looks otherwise threating.

I'm not defending the officer; I'm just saying I'm not surprised, given my experiences there.

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:07 pm

woodchip wrote:ask yourself, "Was I right to hate Bush"?

Hm, let's see .. Yep.

Nightshade · Post by **Nightshade** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:50 pm

As we're already hating Obozo, er Obama.

SilverFJ · Post by **SilverFJ** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:37 pm

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:22 am

So another instance of reading racism into something:

\"Wednesday's Page Six cartoon - caricaturing Monday's police shooting of a chimpanzee in Connecticut - has created considerable controversy.

It shows two police officers standing over the chimp's body: \"They'll have to find someone else to write the next stimulus bill,\" one officer says.

It was meant to mock an ineptly written federal stimulus bill.

Period.

But it has been taken as something else - as a depiction of President Obama, as a thinly veiled expression of racism.\"

We we warned early on that anything even remotely looking like criticism against Alfred E. Obama would be construed as racism. And so it is.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:41 am

SilverFJ wrote:

hey let's compare obama to the most evil person in history!

you suck, dude.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:44 am

woodchip wrote:....It shows two police officers standing over the chimp's body: "They'll have to find someone else to write the next stimulus bill," one officer says.

It was meant to mock an ineptly written federal stimulus bill.

Period.

But it has been taken as something else - as a depiction of President Obama, as a thinly veiled expression of racism."....

To be offended in that way one would have to be stupid enough to believe Obama even read the bill much less actually wrote it!
I think the official response to that group should be to put them in a civic time out... take their names and remove them from the registered voter rolls for two election cycles!
We'll call it the Intelligence Stimulus Act of 2009.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:47 am

Ferno wrote:
SilverFJ wrote:
hey let's compare obama to the most evil person in history!

you suck, dude.

Fans of Pol Pot are now offended by Ferno's slight and enemies of G.W. Bush are now mad at both of us!

dissent · Post by **dissent** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:51 am

Hey, don't forget the Fans of Mao !!!!

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:16 am

Ferno wrote:
SilverFJ wrote:
hey let's compare obama to the most evil person in history!

you suck, dude.

that's one HELL of a leap there Ferno, he did not post who he was referring to with that pic, this conversation has been about the police GW AND Obama. maybe your just revealing your true inner feelings

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:34 am

then why'd he post it in the first place?

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:44 am

Perhaps Fernman this would be more appropriate

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:00 am

It hurts when the garbage flies in the opposite direction…huh…lol!

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:04 am

Yeah, the left taught us well and we are now using our graduate degree to effect.

Also Dow Jones is now below 7400. Wall street is giving Obama accolades for his leadership ability's.
Of course he never had any skills but what does that matter eh?

Foil · Post by **Foil** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:10 am

I love returning to threads I've posted in, only to find that they've devolved into political flames.

SilverFJ · Post by **SilverFJ** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:04 am

Ferno wrote:hey let's compare obama to the most evil person in history!

you suck, dude.

I was referring to political censorship and the unavailability to critisize your government...

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:11 am

SilverFJ wrote:
Ferno wrote:hey let's compare obama to the most evil person in history!

you suck, dude.
I was referring to political censorship and the unavailability to critisize your government...

CMON, you were refering to Obama and the "We are only allowed to flame GW left" knows it

SilverFJ · Post by **SilverFJ** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:19 am

Oh, and Ferno, while we're expressing our opinions with pictures...

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:37 pm

SilverFJ wrote:I was referring to political censorship and the unavailability to critisize your government...

by using a stalin comparisom? LOL. worst analogy ever.

thanks for the laugh BTW.

AlphaDoG · Post by **AlphaDoG** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:22 pm

Foil wrote:I love returning to threads I've posted in, only to find that they've devolved into political flames.

"Careful what you say."

SilverFJ · Post by **SilverFJ** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:51 am

Well that's cool, I was at the bar last night playing pool and trying to get mine when I sat back and thought \"wait, maybe that'll offend the guy...\" but I'm glad it didn't.

god I'm ★■◆●ing hung over right now...

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:03 pm

Lets see. Bushie had eight years and six years with a Republican controlled Congress. What we got was skyrocketing unemployment, banks failing, Stock Market tanking due to NO regulations to prevent all the crooked derivative trading and investment ponzi schemes (Madoff and Standford come to mind) on Wall Street, two mismanaged and unnecessary wars that created a monumental national debt and thousands of dead Americans and hundreds of thousands of dead Iragis, spying on Americans at will with no probable cause, opting out of the Geneva Convention, a complete disregard of habeas corpus and a total mockery of our Justice system. Did I get it all? Oh and now we may get a global economic meltdown. Bush did one better than Stalin!

Edit: I forgot TORTURING people, innocent or not!

SilverFJ · Post by **SilverFJ** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:08 pm

I think a few days in the gulag would change your opinion.

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:56 pm

Tunnel, it wasn't Bush doing that. I don't know that he ever visited the prison. Remember there was also a whole cabnet of advisors that were pushing that idea and a coupld of agencies.
you guys are wierd.

flip · Post by **flip** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:26 pm

I think a few days in the gulag would change your opinion.

Lol. Made me laugh out loud

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:53 pm

tunnelcat wrote:Lets see. Bushie had eight years and six years with a Republican controlled Congress. What we got was skyrocketing unemployment, banks failing, Stock Market tanking due to NO regulations to prevent all the crooked derivative trading

Sorry, while republicans controlled house and senate, there was no sky rocketing unemployment, banks were not tanking, DJI was the highest it had ever been and the derivitive trading started back in Clintons era. It wasn't until the Dems took control that the nation started going down hill. Nice propaganda effort tho.

tunnelcat wrote:and investment ponzi schemes (Madoff and Standford come to mind) on Wall Street,

These guys got started long before Bush.

tunnelcat wrote:two mismanaged and unnecessary wars that created a monumental national debt and thousands of dead Americans and hundreds of thousands of dead Iragis, spying on Americans at will with no probable cause, opting out of the Geneva Convention, a complete disregard of habeas corpus and a total mockery of our Justice system. Did I get it all?

Yeah, you got it. Wonder where the Islamnofacists would be at if Bush did nothing?

tunnelcat wrote:Oh and now we may get a global economic meltdown. Bush did one better than Stalin!

Sorry, world melt down is entirely on your side of the aisle now.

tunnelcat wrote:Edit: I forgot TORTURING people, innocent or not!

Yes, I think a couple of days in a Stalin style Gulag would do wonders for your perspective.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:55 am

comon Woodchip you cant blame TC. she has two things going against her.

1. she's a Woman and they think with emotion not logic

2. she's a liberal and they think with emotion not logic

so when you apply Einstein's theory of relativity to a Female Liberal, you get the following equation. If its done by a Republican than it must be logical and since it is Logical this in turn spurs a negative emotional response, so it must not be relative to the conversation. and since it has now become irrelevant to the conversation they feel that they can ignore it as not being pertinent information and act as tho it is not relative and never happened.

SilverFJ · Post by **SilverFJ** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:12 pm

CUDA wrote:1. she's a Woman and they think with emotion not logic
2. she's a liberal and they think with emotion not logic

However right-leaning my political views are, I still dont think it's very fair to attack someone's opinion based on their gender. #2 though, I agree with completely.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:48 pm

have you ever been married

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:45 pm

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:46 pm

Cuda, feminists don't get married. In fact, they are bent on tearing the family unit to the ground. Read their manifesto. It's a bit scary.

(not saying you fall into that category TC or you FJ.

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I realize that the average woman probably wouldn't ascribe to the radical fundamentalist men hating that the movement is founded on. None the less, there is a large group that lobby on that behalf.

VonVulcan · Post by **VonVulcan** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:50 pm

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SilverFJ · Post by **SilverFJ** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:02 pm

Oh dont get me wrong, CUDA, what you said is completely true, but it has no place in a political debate

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