To serve and Protect

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:28 am

While we have all heard by now of the immigrant shootings, what has not been discussed is the response time by the police and highly trained SWAT team. I'm wondering like, what do people pay their cops for? To sit behind their cars and eat doughnuts until the shooter has a surfeit of bloodlust and then offs himself?:

\"Even if police officers had immediately entered the immigrant center where a gunman had just shot down 13 people, the victims' injuries were so severe that none would have survived, a county prosecutor said Sunday.\"

\"But police didn't enter the American Civic Association until nearly 45 minutes after the first 911 calls came in at 10:30 a.m. Friday. They began removing the wounded about 15 minutes after that.\"

Some of you gentler souls think that those of us who choose to carry a firearm are to be looked askance at. I suspect if you were in a situation where a madman with a gun was shooting people around you, you might think differently if a conceal carry person wound up saving you much like the gal in the church did a while back. As for depending on the local constabulary to do their job...don't.

SilverFJ · Post by **SilverFJ** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:15 am

One of the blessings of living rurally.
The only mad-men out here stick to their cabins in the wilderness and make bombs.

Gooberman · Post by **Gooberman** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:53 am

I have no problem with someone carrying a concealed weapon.

However, what frustrates me to no end are those who fight requiring a permit. If you are carrying a gun into a crowded area like a mall, then you are a form of law enforcement, and those citizens have a right to require that you know what you are doing.

In the situation in your post Woodchip, someone who coudn't pass basic shooting range requirements could in that situation do alot more harm then good. Especially given the high pressure of the moment.

If you demonstrate to society that you know what you are doing, then I welcome your contribution.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:09 am

Goob, I think if you read some of my past posts, you will see I am very much in favor of a training requirement. I also think being part of a shooting league and practice on a regular basis is a very good idea also.

Gooberman · Post by **Gooberman** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:13 am

I can't think of any reason why one would be in favor of a trained police officer having a weapon, but not a trained citizen.

Maybe the uniform carries with it some mystical powers that we are not aware of.

SilverFJ · Post by **SilverFJ** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:54 am

I'm more against un-trained wielders(sp?) than I am people trying to take my guns away.

Sergeant Thorne · Post by **Sergeant Thorne** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:25 pm

Absolutely. And I would be very much in favor of programs that allow the actual training to come from a parent/guardian. I'm not sure if anything like that is on the books for firearm licenses, but I read that there's a hunting license here in Indiana for \"apprentice\" hunting with another hunter.

That's a pathetic story. If I were an officer I would consider it my duty, as someone who not only is entrusted with the responsibility, but has the training, the equipment, and the firepower, to take on the risk of getting in there as soon as I could to confront the threat and possibly save lives. To protect and to serve. That's not a 9-5, that's a commitment, as far as I'm concerned.

SilverFJ · Post by **SilverFJ** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 3:37 pm

When it comes to police I'd like to see more ethics and discression training, I've run into way too many crooked cops for it to make it easy to respect a lot of them.