So people are OK with car searches..homes are next

thwart · Post by **thwart** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:28 pm

In a time that the drug war, seat belt laws and government schools are cool this should be no surprise. Now that most people are brainwashed into thinking it is OK for governments to search cars for \"state inspections/emissions\" now homes are next.

The government will never stop until freedom is completely gone. It is a shame hardly anyone in the US knows what freedom is. The only just laws are the ones that protect your freedom from someone else.

If you want to help your country and be one of those \"radicals\" phone or send an email to your senator to ask them to use some common sense and oppose the Clean Energy and Security Act. You can find your Senator's contact info here.

Or if not, just prepare for the neo Third Reich. Meanwhile I'll practice my salute....If you think that sounds crazy, ask yourself one question, \"Would this new law move the US toward freedom or socialism?\"

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:40 pm

WHOA if thats true that is REALLY scarry

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 5:35 pm

Over my dead body.

\"Would this new law move the US toward freedom or socialism?\"

I would call it Fascism.

And Kudos, on the realization that people here are brainwashed!

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P.S. I like ‘Woodys’ response in that blog…is that you Woody?

fliptw · Post by **fliptw** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 5:44 pm

I wonder how fast thats gonna get challenged in court

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:34 pm

Spidey wrote:
I would call it Fascism.

/me points to this thread

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AlphaDoG · Post by **AlphaDoG** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:31 pm

Look, I have said this for years. When YOU people give up your rights, this kinda thing will happen.

I've watched \"COPS\", I'm sure you have too. How many times do you see people, JUST giving up their rights? I've seen this for OVER 30 years. A COP says, \"Do you mind if I look in your car?\" The \"victim\" says, \"Sure, I have nothing to hide.\"

Next thing you know there's paperwork. It's BS you, I, and the whole world knows it.

It's NONE of your business what I have in my car, my house, my wallet, etc....

Go arrest a f'n crackhead and leave me alone!

Insurrectionist · Post by **Insurrectionist** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:36 pm

I been searched so many times I say no and they still search you and all then they tell you it's for their safty.,

AlphaDoG · Post by **AlphaDoG** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:48 pm

Next time, TAZE their azz!

Stroodles · Post by **Stroodles** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:45 pm

It really is frightening. The whole policy is completely indefensable

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:46 pm

Have the bureaucrats gone absolutely bonkers? There's no way I'll allow that kind of government intrusion into my already built and occupied home. It was bad enough to have to let in the property assessor to verify to the idiot that my basement was unfinished and that it shouldn't be counted as finished space (they should have known that when they inspected the completed home originally). If they want to mandate this for houses being built as part of the permit process, that's one thing, but if this lame-brained idea progresses as proposed, they'll have an insurrection on their hands.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:55 pm

I have no real problem with providing this info, even if it is none of their business.

You have to wonder why they wouldn’t simply implement this as a survey, and make it mandatory, like the census…

Ulterior motives?

Oh yea, I forgot…they don’t trust us!

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 10:52 pm

Insurrectionist wrote:I been searched so many times I say no and they still search you and all then they tell you it's for their safty.,

that's when you tell them they'll be hearing from your lawyer.

Insurrectionist · Post by **Insurrectionist** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:40 am

Yea lawyer told me there was nothing I could do.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:37 am

Spidey, not me.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 6:59 am

It's like a bad dream, I'm stuck in Bizzaro world and can't wake up....

Pandora · Post by **Pandora** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:15 am

I bet that this is not true. Comes from the typical jerks (Inhofe) who try to marshal resistance against climate bills and don't care if their arguments are true or not.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:17 pm

Only way to find out is for someone to read the bill

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:34 pm

woodchip wrote:Only way to find out is for someone to read the bill

Speaking of reading the bills...

Wouldn't it be great if you could immediately impeach a Senator or Congressman if he votes on a bill that he didn't read in it's entirety? And if you could prove 30% of them didn't read it then the law would be retracted.
Better yet, they should be required to write a paper on every bill they vote on describing its contents and their take on the merits and/or flaws in the bill.

It's nothing more demanding than every book report kids do from grade school on up through high school.
Is it too much to ask that they actually read the ★■◆● they push off on us and show they understand what they read?!?!

Pandora · Post by **Pandora** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 4:57 am

woodchip wrote:Only way to find out is for someone to read the bill

exactly. I looked but couldn't find it.

I looked around on the RESNET website, and there it seemed to be the case that these Energy Audits can also be done online, a bit like Spidey says:

You have to wonder why they wouldn’t simply implement this as a survey, and make it mandatory, like the census…

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:00 am

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h2454/show

Look for…

Read and Comment on Full Bill Text

Pandora · Post by **Pandora** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:39 am

cool - thanks, Spidey.

had a look for the word \"energy audit\" in there. The only places I could find were those where the bill prescribes INCENTIVES (up to $200 for residential homes) for an energy audit of one's home. I have not found anything that says that such an audit is mandatory. Anyone else had a go and find something?

Pandora · Post by **Pandora** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 10:03 am

from my reading of the bill it seems that Energy Audits are only mandatory if you want to qualify for certain incentives and support for making your house more energy efficient. Does anybody agree/disagree?

Stroodles · Post by **Stroodles** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 10:31 am

Will Robinson wrote:
woodchip wrote:Only way to find out is for someone to read the bill
Speaking of reading the bills...

Wouldn't it be great if you could immediately impeach a Senator or Congressman if he votes on a bill that he didn't read in it's entirety? And if you could prove 30% of them didn't read it then the law would be retracted.
Better yet, they should be required to write a paper on every bill they vote on describing its contents and their take on the merits and/or flaws in the bill.

It's nothing more demanding than every book report kids do from grade school on up through high school.
Is it too much to ask that they actually read the ***** they push off on us and show they understand what they read?!?!

Agree! Agree Soooooo much!

And I agree that Pandora has a very good point. The website the article is hosted on doesn't exactly look unbiased

The Lion · Post by **The Lion** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:12 pm

Homes are already being inspected in some parts of the Netherlands.

http://dutchconcerns.blogspot.com/2009/ ... rolle.html

So people are OK with car searches..homes are next

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