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woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:57 am

A while back we had a discussion about whether or not Obama is a legal citizen of the good 'ole US of A. Well here's a new twist. A army NG officer hired a atty. to prevent his orders to deploy to the middle east from being carried out. The army majors contention was if Obama is not a full citizen, then he (the major) could be held for war crimes at a later date. I know, some of you seemed to present evidence that Obama is a real american lovechild but here's the odd part. The army major has now had his orders reversed. Why? Simple expediency? Or does someone not want this issue going to court? Problem is, everyone now who does not want to be shipped to a war zone will now hire a atty. and try the same gambit.

The military knows by reversing the majors orders that they will be opening a can of worms and generally the military does not reverse orders for deployment to a war zone. So whats up?

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104009

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:08 am

Simple…they didn’t want that pansy ass troublemaker in the field.

I wouldn’t put any money on him getting regular treatment from above for now on.

And that entire “illegal order” is a load of BS, and anybody that understands how the chain of command works, knows this.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:28 am

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:35 am

While I personally think the whole issue of Obama's citizenship is grasping at straws. he can shut it all up by just producing the requested forms. why hasn't he????????

Spidey wrote:And that entire “illegal order” is a load of BS, and anybody that understands how the chain of command works, knows this

thats not ENTIRLY correct spidey

UCMJ Article 90 – Obeying orders
UCMJ Article 90 states in part

(a) Lawfulness of the order.

(i) Inference of lawfulness. An order requiring the performance of a military duty or act may be inferred to be lawful and it is disobeyed at the peril of the subordinate. This inference does not apply to a patently illegal order, such as one that directs the commission of a crime.

In other words, all orders are disobeyed at the peril of the one disobeying the order. except when the orders are patently illegal. Even if the President were ineligible, his orders are presumably legally binding under the ‘de facto officer’ doctrine.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:43 am

So spidey you are in agreement with Keith Olbermann at MSNBC?

I find it interesting that because Obama is in office a soldier objecting to deployment to a war zone is a coward. I wonder how this Major would of been viewed if Bush was in office and he (major)objected to going to Iraq because it was a \"illegal\" war.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:00 am

woodchip wrote:...I wonder how this Major would of been viewed if Bush was in office and he (major)objected to going to Iraq because it was a "illegal" war.

He would be called a hero and offered a nomination to run for congress against a republican in his state...

I think it is odd that they changed his orders because he would be in serious trouble otherwise. It certainly will add to the speculation that someone with a lot of power behind the scenes pulled some strings because they don't want to deal with the issue of Obama's citizenship in any court or official examination of the facts.

By the way, the lawyer the Major hired has been pursuing the legitimacy of Obama's citizenship in other courts for a while so I don't know if the lawyer approached the Major or the Major sought him out because of his knowledge of the circumstances behind Obama's citizenship.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:13 am

As I have been reading, the case will still go forward:

\"The order for the hearing in the federal court for the Middle District of Georgia from U.S. District Judge Clay D. Land said the hearing on the request for a temporary restraining order would be held Thursday.\"

So it will be interesting to find out the results.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:20 am

Can you imagine the headline:

The President is an illegal alien!
Republicans quickly offer a bill in Congress to deport Obama to Kenya....

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:45 am

Will Robinson wrote:Can you imagine the headline:

The President is an illegal alien!
Republicans quickly offer a bill in Congress to deport Obama to Kenya....

only one HUGE problem with that. it would leave Biden as President

Bet51987 · Post by **Bet51987** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:44 am

More spam.
More applause.

Bee

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:15 pm

Bet51987 wrote:More spam.
More applause.

Bee

and yet you keep coming back to add your input.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:59 pm

Or lack of

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 1:29 pm

it just amazes me how certain left leaning members of this board want to cry how right wing this forum is now since we currently have the opportunity to question their chosen one.
Yet they seem to convieniently forget about how much verbal diareah they spewed about our former President for the 8 years prior to and since the election last November.

Foil · Post by **Foil** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 2:00 pm

No surprise that the conservative voices are loudest at the moment. A few years ago, the liberal voices were loudest. Meh.

What's interesting is that the usually vocal liberals here at .net seem to be mostly content to let the conservatives beat their chests right now. Seems like it was the reverse a few years ago when I joined (late 2004)... maybe it's a post-election-year thing.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 2:33 pm

From my perspective the conservatives are noisy now because we are watching a major shift in policy being rammed down our throats! not just the average swing when the party in power changes.

Where Bush was many times just as liberal as he was conservative depending on the issues Obama has slammed the rudder hard to port!
He is making major changes, power grabs and growing the government at such a pace that has never even been imagined.
So it stands to reason that those of us on the right are bent out of shape more than the usual. The noise we are making is an equal and opposite reaction to the actions of the liberals in power.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:26 pm

Will Robinson wrote:From my perspective the conservatives are noisy now because we are watching a major shift in policy being rammed down our throats! not just the average swing when the party in power changes.

dont worry Will with the 1 Trillion more in spending that they want for the new healthcare, your covered if it get's stuck

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:32 pm

So Bee is becoming a troll…go figure.

No Woody. I’m not in agreement with anybody…I simply know this…The election was certified, Obama was sworn in…the Joint Chiefs have given their ok , therefore someone down the chain of command has no right to object to an order given by the President.

It’s just not done, you must keep military discipline. What if people had disputed Bush’s presidency, because he “stole” the election? As far as I’m concerned, he should face Court Marshal, and be dismissed.

The only recourse at this point is to, remove the President, until then, he is the legal office holder.

CUDA…not the same thing here.

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Hell, I have an idea, lets all dispute the presidents legitimacy, and not obey all the laws he signs.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:42 pm

I thought you were talking in general terms, your right on the specifics of this incident. he has no right to refuse,

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:50 pm

I speak mostly in context and very rarely “in general” without stating so.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:34 pm

that being said. does anyone remember the soldier that refuse to goto Iraq because he deemed it an illegal war?? he was hailed as a Hero by the liberal media and elite, so where are those same people now???? Hypocrites all

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:58 pm

To make this case a bit more interesting, a Gen. and a Col have now joined in the suit:

\"In a pleading revised after the revocation of Cook’s orders, Taitz argues that the application for preliminary injunction is not moot and that retired Maj. Gen. Carol Dean Childers and active U.S. Air Force reservist Lt. Col. David Earl Graeff have joined the suit “because it is a matter of unparalleled public interest and importance and because it is clearly a matter arising from issues of a recurring nature that will escape review unless the Court exercises its discretionary jurisdiction.”\"

flip · Post by **flip** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:37 pm

Yeah he needs to put this to rest. You've gotta trust the man who orders you to your death.

Insurrectionist · Post by **Insurrectionist** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:40 am

I must say for this subject you all seem pretty calm compared to some sites where you would be called a retarded paranoid psychotic wacko with a racist outlook on life. Then they would make a move on you 2nd amendment rights by shutting you up.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:29 am

Heh, I remember years ago I made my first post on the Democratic Underground Members Board and was banned.

Dedman · Post by **Dedman** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:26 am

Insurrectionist wrote:...where you would be called a retarded paranoid psychotic wacko with a racist outlook on life.

Not that there's anything wrong with that

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