I wonder how Sarah Palin feels about this

[CUDA]

Since Bee feigned starting a thread about Palin resigning, but failed to do so. I thought I'd chime in on the matter.

I find it a complete double standard that while Palin was running for VP her family including her infant son and underage daughters were dragged through the media in despicable fashion, and virtually called whores by certain talk show hosts, which IMHO was probably a major underlying cause of her resignation. not to mention the 20+ dismissed frivelous law suits brought against her on supposed corruption charges. and her mounting legal debt because of that, which is a personal debt, and not something that can be shifted to the state.

yet now that the Presidents girls are a MINOR target of politics, suddenly they are off limits????

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08 ... l-food-ad/

Discuss.

[Bet51987]

If you have \"dirt\" on the Obama girls why don't you post some? Or are you saying that you don't believe the Obama girls should go to private school.

Bee

[CUDA]

If you have "dirt" on the Obama girls why don't you post some? Or are you saying that you don't believe the Obama girls should go to private school.

Bee

first off apparently you chose not to read either my Post OR the article referenced.

Secondly, your saying that its OK to report something on a politicians underage children as long as the intent is to harm the politician, but it has to be dirt???

maybe just MAYBE I would agree regarding Palin's oldest daughter for her lack of judgment. but where does that leave Willow, with the Letterman incident. AND the presses implying that Palin's youngest son was actually the child of her oldest daughter. which we now know was a fabricated lie. and yet I have never seen an appology OR retraction by the news organizations that ran with it

[Bet51987]

first off apparently you chose not to read either my Post OR the article referenced.

I did read it but this kind of thread, in this kind of forum, leads me to be suspicious of the intent of the message. Time will tell how this thread goes.

Secondly, your saying that its OK to report something on a politicians underage children as long as the intent is to harm the politician, but it has to be dirt???

Not one chance in a million. Underage kids are off limits - all the time.

..maybe just MAYBE I would agree regarding Palin's oldest daughter for her lack of judgment. but where does that leave Willow, with the Letterman incident. AND the presses implying that Palin's youngest son was actually the child of her oldest daughter. which we now know was a fabricated lie. and yet I have never seen an appology OR retraction by the news organizations that ran with it

David Letterman apologized on the air, and in a telephone call to Sarah Palin. The newspapers also ran the apology.

I have no real idea what the reason is for Sarah Palin quitting, but what I do know is that the pressure of scrutiny, right or wrong, was something she was unable to handle. That alone makes her unsuitable for any run for the presidency.

Bee

[CUDA]

first off apparently you chose not to read either my Post OR the article referenced.

I did read it but this kind of thread, in this kind of forum, leads me to be suspicious of the intent of the message. Time will tell how this thread goes.

SUSPICIOUS?!?!?!?! either you have an opinion or you dont. suspicions have nothing to do with that. Voice your opinion and debate or move on.
The topic still stands.

Secondly, your saying that its OK to report something on a politicians underage children as long as the intent is to harm the politician, but it has to be dirt???

Not one chance in a million. Underage kids are off limits - all the time.

but you didnt say that. you said

If you have "dirt" on the Obama girls why don't you post some?

David Letterman apologized on the air, and in a telephone call to Sarah Palin. The newspapers also ran the apology.

I have no real idea what the reason is for Sarah Palin quitting, but what I do know is that the pressure of scrutiny, right or wrong, was something she was unable to handle. That alone makes her unsuitable for any run for the presidency.

Bee

Letterman appologized because of pressure maybe he shouldn't be hosting a talk show,
And your ASSUMING it was the pressure of scrutiny on Palin, maybe it was. maybe it was exactly what she said it was. the frivilous law suits preventing her from doing her job and costing Alaska money. I dont know. do you or are you just assuming

[Spidey]

If you take her at her word…

She said…her “staff” is unable to do its job, because of all the lawsuits and such…therefore it’s in the states best interest, to resign.

She never said…“she” can’t do the job. (at least not in the coverage I saw) Would be the same thing either way.

Is it true concern for the public good? Or is it a personal weakness? I’m not going to make that call, and I know damn well it will go right down party lines…

[woodchip]

So let me get this straight. Palin resigns her job and gets vilified. Yet Hillary quits her Senate job and no big deal. Obama quits his senate job and no big deal. Am I missing something?
I await now your arguments that Hillary and Obama quit to go on to bigger and better things or can we rephrase and say they quit really for personal self gain and are praised for it. Palin quit for altruistic motives of saving her state tax money and is lambasted.
Nice eh?

[Bet51987]

Palin quit for altruistic motives of saving her state tax money

OMG I needed that. Thank You.

Bee

[CUDA]

Palin quit for altruistic motives of saving her state tax money

OMG I needed that. Thank You.

Bee

can you prove otherwise Bee???

here's your chance Bee prove to us right wingers we're wrong.

[Foil]

Is it true concern for the public good? Or is it a personal weakness? I’m not going to make that call, and I know damn well it will go right down party lines…

I think this thread is proof of that.

[Bet51987]

...here's your chance Bee prove to us right wingers we're wrong.

Like Woodchip "proved" his?

Bee

[Birdseye]

wait woodchip are you seriously pro palin?

or is this just you defending anything republican

[woodchip]

Bird I'm pro Palin not because she is Republican, rather she is conservative. I'd like to see somebody in the White House for a change that has seemingly real values and a family many of us can relate to. Palin has those.
I'm ambivalent about Palin leaving her Gov.job but still I think she would make for a very effective conservative President.
Before any of you hammerheads think I'd vote for anyone Republican, I would of voted for Hillary over McCain (up until Palin was picked as VP)
The fear factor the Dems show towards Palin is nothing short of amazing or do some of you think all the personal attacks aimed towards her were done because of the comedy value?

[Will Robinson]

She's not ready for the starting position, she really needed to be Vice President under McCain to fast track her skills.
She is the \"maverick conservative\" McCain pretends to be and she has the instincts of a real leader but lacks the nuts and bolts knowledge of both national politics and maybe even the world at large.

I think if she runs for the top spot and gets close to getting the party nomination she'll go down in flames and fracture the republican party...which is why I'd be tempted to vote for her!
Between her and Obama we might just see some major damage caused to both wings of the One Party Disguised As Two.

[CUDA]

...here's your chance Bee prove to us right wingers we're wrong.

Like Woodchip "proved" his?

Bee

COP OUT

Woodchip just echoed what Palin said, you accused her of something different. the Burden of proof is on you.

[Ferno]

the whole point of a leader is whether or not they can do their job and lead, not whether or not we can relate to them.

[CUDA]

the whole point of a leader is whether or not they can do their job and lead, not whether or not we can relate to them.

Well said Ferno.

[AlphaDoG]

the whole point of a leader is whether or not they can do their job and lead, not whether or not we can relate to them.

If 90% of those being led do not like the direction the leader is heading, then the leader is NOT relating very well to the led.

[Spidey]

But at least 50% follow blindly…

[woodchip]

It would seem Palin is gearing up and if the following statement by her is any indication, Obama will have his hands full come the 2012 presidential election. Heck, I think liberals in general will have their hands full:

\"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil,\" Palin wrote.\"

Notice she does not use PC speak and calls a spade a spade.
If Palin succeeds in forming a conservative coalition as she intends, we may finally see some real definition in what the various party platforms are.

[CUDA]

the whole point of a leader is whether or not they can do their job and lead, not whether or not we can relate to them.

If 90% of those being led do not like the direction the leader is heading, then the leader is NOT relating very well to the led.

then that person is NOT a leader.

A leader says follow me and goes to the front.and people follow

A commander says get over there and do what I say, forcing the issues

what do we have in our Politicians?

[Spidey]

Weather Vanes

[TechPro]

Weather Vanes

Exactly. Driven by the wind.

[CUDA]

Weather Vanes

I disagree, our politicians are not blown by the wind, or Opinion. they are driven by money so the more accurate description would be prostitutes

[Bet51987]

Sarah Palin -

The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel” so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,” whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.

Only you would believe she wrote that.

Did you forget the real Sarah Palin?

"Well, it certainly does because our -- our next door neighbors are foreign countries. They're in the state that I am the executive of. And there in Russia ... We have trade missions back and forth. We-- we do-- it's very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where-- where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is-- from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to-- Alaska. Next to our state."

Bee

[CUDA]

Sarah Palin -

The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel” so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,” whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.

Only you would believe she wrote that.

Did you forget the real Sarah Palin?

"Well, it certainly does because our -- our next door neighbors are foreign countries. They're in the state that I am the executive of. And there in Russia ... We have trade missions back and forth. We-- we do-- it's very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where-- where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is-- from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to-- Alaska. Next to our state."

Bee

your point bee??? because you didn't make one with that post.

[Will Robinson]

Bee, consider your own ability to respond under the two different scenario's.

A: You answer a question in a nationally broadcast TV interview off the top of your head, you didn't anticipate the subject matter of the question so you just wing it and you know every syllable of your response will be picked apart by a press corp that wants you to fail....
I'd say there is some unusual pressure there for someone who was thrust onto the national stage.

B: You sit quietly in your own private space and compose a statement with the luxury of all the time you want to finish it including the freedom to rewrite it and edit as much as you want then release it only when you are satisfied you have it just the way you want it.

Do you expect me to believe you wouldn't do better under scenario B?
I wonder how you would do under scenario A.

The real test for her if she's going to run a serious bid for office is how she does now that she has been thrown from the frying pan into the fire. If she doesn't show signs of improvement then she's done for early. If, on the other hand, she comes out with some polish and substance and savvy she will bury someone like Biden or Gore or even Hillary in the polls because she will have multiplied her already substantial following.
Her republican opponents would have to very careful to attack her because they could alienate Palin voters from moving to their camp once they dispose of her in a primary. It could divide the republican base (my dream scenario).

My guess is she is planning to stay in the private sector and enjoy the prospect of building her popularity, getting paid a lot for her opinions and have the luxury of not having to be so careful about what she says.

She could easily start to raise funds for a campaign she doesn't really intend to win, let Romney or whoever take the nomination and style her 'campaign' around cementing herself into the rightwings heart rather than ultimately winning the nomination so that post campaign she could sell lots of books, speeches, lend her support to others campaigns etc. etc.

[woodchip]

Sarah Palin -

The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel” so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,” whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.

Only you would believe she wrote that.

Did you forget the real Sarah Palin?

"Well, it certainly does because our -- our next door neighbors are foreign countries. They're in the state that I am the executive of. And there in Russia ... We have trade missions back and forth. We-- we do-- it's very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where-- where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is-- from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to-- Alaska. Next to our state."

Bee

Nice try Bee, really. But before you get too enamored of your "astute" reply, let us consider her opposite Joe "Flip Lip" Biden, who should be as polished as they come considering all the years he's been a politician:

"Look, John's last-minute economic plan does nothing to tackle the number-one job facing the middle class, and it happens to be, as Barack says, a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S, jobs." --Joe Biden

"A man I'm proud to call my friend. A man who will be the next President of the United States — Barack America!" --Joe Biden, at his first campaign rally with Barack Obama

"When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened." –Joe Biden, apparently unaware that FDR wasn't president when the stock market crashed in 1929 and that only experimental TV sets were in use at that time

"Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Quite frankly, it might have been a better pick than me." --Joe Biden, speaking at a town hall meeting in Nashua, New Hampshire

"Stand up, Chuck, let 'em see ya." –-Joe Biden, to Missouri state Sen. Chuck Graham, who is in a wheelchair, Columbia, Missouri, Sept. 12, 2008 "

[Dedman]

Hey Bee and Woody. You two have been slamming away at each other for long enough now that it has stopped being about the issues and started being about getting one over on the other. Kind of like what's going on in Washington. It's kind of funny if you think about it. Anyway, back to my point. Why don't you just pull out the tape measure and see who's johnson is bigger and settle it once and for all?

[woodchip]

I'd win Deadman

Bee has a habit of trying to pick apart my posts and I respond. OTH you will rarely find me giving her one liners where she first makes a post. I am not the only one who fews Bee's post lacking in depth so do not act as tho there is only a Bee and I war of opinions here.

[Dedman]

so do not act as tho there is only a Bee and I war of opinions here.

I'm not trying to. You are the most vocal of her protagonists, and vice versa.

I'm not picking sides. I just find it amusing is all.

Carry on

[Bet51987]

I'd win Deadman

Bee has a habit of trying to pick apart my posts and I respond. OTH you will rarely find me giving her one liners where she first makes a post. I am not the only one who fews Bee's post lacking in depth so do not act as tho there is only a Bee and I war of opinions here.

Like you took apart one of my posts here so it took on a completely different meaning, then posted it at .com knowing I didn't go there?

My replies lack in depth because I find your posts more comical than serious.

Bee

[woodchip]

So you are just being spiteful? Look around and you will see I've taken apart just about everyones post at one time or another. None of them have bore any real animus to me nor have I bore any animus to any who have \"taken apart\" any of my posts. You really need to grow up.

[Dedman]

Ding ding! Round ELEVENTEEN!! Awesome

[Spidey]

You are absolutely right CUDA, first they stick their fingers in the air, to find out what you want to hear, then they take the money and do something else.

[Lothar]

Like you took apart one of my posts here so it took on a completely different meaning, then posted it at .com knowing I didn't go there?

Would this be the post you asked him to discuss at .com because you thought I'd delete the response you wanted to post here? Or was there another one?

[Isaac]

[Stroodles]

Lawl

[Bet51987]

Like you took apart one of my posts here so it took on a completely different meaning, then posted it at .com knowing I didn't go there?

Would this be the post you asked him to discuss at .com because you thought I'd delete the response you wanted to post here? Or was there another one?

The first post. The one that left a mark.

Bee

[Tunnelcat]

First of all, Palin is an AIRHEAD BIMBO without enough brains to run ANYTHING, let alone be Veep! If you like her and your male, you're thinking ONLY with your pants brain!

Also, she's a closet socialist herself with the Alaska Oil revenues she managed as governor.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/t ... ealth.html

Read part of her quote: \"we wanted a fair and equitable share of the resources that we own.\" Translation: SPREAD AND SHARE THE WEALTH!