Man carrying assault weapon attends Obama protest

Kilarin · Post by **Kilarin** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:48 am

Spidey wrote:There is no doubt in my mind that all you're hate filled rants about Obama have racist undertones.

Ah! different thread, no wonder I was confused.

Totally unacquainted with the original context, I shall quietly withdraw.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:08 am

Spidey understands perfectly what I was getting at. Bee has played the race card when ever Obama was critised, yet when she herself fall into the race trap she trys to deflect her racism by accusing the messenger of the very same thing.

How do we know Bee, you never saw a picture of the black man in question?

Bet51987 · Post by **Bet51987** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:23 am

Kilarin....

Would you please be so kind as to explain to me how my comment about the person with the assault weapon was racist.

Right now I'm big time confused because you seem to think I am and I still don't. You're the only forum member I want the answer from.

Bettina

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:34 am

Maybe someone was letting you see how it feels to be accused of being a racist because you had done the same to them...

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:35 am

I cant believe I'm saying this, but I have to side with Bee on this one

I've read and re-read her comment and I can find no racist overtones in it. while I am not fan of Bee's stance on just about any issue, BUT

He wasn't thinking because he, and those who support him, don't have a brain.

this seems to me that she was referring to the guy carrying the GUN or PRO NRA people. not the race of the person carrying said gun.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:37 am

Will Robinson wrote:Maybe someone was letting you see how it feels to be accused of being a racist because you had done the same to them...

I agree Will, both she and TC float the racist tag waaaay to often, but I don't feel that is the case in this particular incident

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:42 am

There's nothing racist in Bee's comment. She was commenting on the guy's lack of common sense.

It's as if this guy decided to yell fire in a crowded theatre and then once caught, try and excuse that behaviour by saying that he was using his right to free speech.

pretty selfish, self-serving and simply STUPID.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:48 pm

CUDA wrote:...I agree Will, both she and TC float the racist tag waaaay to often, but I don't feel that is the case in this particular incident

My take on it is dependent on there not really being anything racist within her statement...she didn't mean anything racist but there was a black man at the crux of her comments, other people didn't mean anything racist when they spoke about a black man, she called them racist anyway so now someone has done the same thing to her....
Just a guess on my part.

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:53 pm

I think it's stupid to take a gun to meet the president. There are better ways to protest.

I also think the group that staged this particular protest is mostly nuts -- 9/11 truthers, anti-vaccination types, moon landing = hoax types, etc. (video, via google cache, so I don't give traffic to nutjobs.)

Still, as moronic as it was, it was apparently perfectly legal.

Kilarin · Post by **Kilarin** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:02 pm

bettina wrote:Would you please be so kind as to explain to me how my comment about the person with the assault weapon was racist

It was NOT. Spidey was quoting something from ANOTHER thread. That's why I said:

Kilarin wrote:Ah! different thread, no wonder I was confused. Totally unacquainted with the original context, I shall quietly withdraw

I don't KNOW what was said in some other thread, and didn't have time to go digging into it. I firmly stand by the statement that NOTHING you said here was playing the "Race" card in any way. I didn't mean to leave that in any doubt. My comment was strictly to state that I could not argue about what had happened in any OTHER thread. I was withdrawing from the DEBATE, if it was actually about something I hadn't read. NOT withdrawing from my stance that nothing you said here had anything to do with race.

I will also say that attacking you here over something that may or may not have happened in some other thread seems odd, misplaced, and very vulnerable to confusion. It STILL just doesn't make any sense to me.

Lothar wrote:I think it's stupid to take a gun to meet the president. There are better ways to protest

Amen to that.

Bet51987 · Post by **Bet51987** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:08 pm

Kilarin, Cuda, Ferno.

Thank you very very much... A big weight removed.

Bettina

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:45 pm

Boy, talk about a twisted fairy tale.

Instead of the moral of the story being…what goes around comes around or if you don’t like being accused of something, you shouldn’t accuse others.

It became…it’s alright if some people do it, but not others…

Please kill me now.

AlphaDoG · Post by **AlphaDoG** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:34 pm

So far I'm the only person that says if it's legal, carry.

I don't even own a gun, however, it IS your right, under law, AND, the constitution, to have and to hold. All men should be married to their side arm. It is your right to keep and bear arms that keeps people like Barney Frank in check.

It is up to you, the PATRIOTS, to keep this country free. Either LEAD, FOLLOW or get the hell out of my way!

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:50 pm

Spidey wrote:Boy, talk about a twisted fairy tale.

Instead of the moral of the story being…what goes around comes around or if you don’t like being accused of something, you shouldn’t accuse others.

It became…it’s alright if some people do it, but not others…

Please kill me now.

spidey Maybe I'm a little slow tonight. It has been a long day, But I don't get your point. PM me if you want, or say it in open forum.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:29 pm

You know what…just forget I said anything at all…

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:02 pm

E&C: Text based soap.

Bet51987 · Post by **Bet51987** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:46 am

AlphaDoG wrote:So far I'm the only person that says if it's legal, carry.

I don't even own a gun, however, it IS your right, under law, AND, the constitution, to have and to hold. All men should be married to their side arm. It is your right to keep and bear arms that keeps people like Barney Frank in check.

It is up to you, the PATRIOTS, to keep this country free. Either LEAD, FOLLOW or get the hell out of my way!

Would you feel the same way about a man bringing an assault weapon to a childrens playground because he has the right?

All this man did was give ammunition to the people who advocate gun laws and they should use that ammo. The fact that the NRA didn't call this man out as being stupid just supports my theory of the NRA and it's members.

Bee

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:53 am

Bet51987 wrote:
AlphaDoG wrote:So far I'm the only person that says if it's legal, carry.

I don't even own a gun, however, it IS your right, under law, AND, the constitution, to have and to hold. All men should be married to their side arm. It is your right to keep and bear arms that keeps people like Barney Frank in check.

It is up to you, the PATRIOTS, to keep this country free. Either LEAD, FOLLOW or get the hell out of my way!
Would you feel the same way about a man bringing an assault weapon to a childrens playground because he has the right?

All this man did was give ammunition to the people who advocate gun laws and they should use that ammo. The fact that the NRA didn't call this man out as being stupid just supports my theory of the NRA and it's members.

Bee

SO because of the actions of one man not being called out by the NRA. EVERYONE that belongs to the NRA is now stupid

so tell me how do you feel about your party in congress not calling out the actions of their members when they do something stupid. which is just about everyday. and I say YOUR party so you will not throw it back on the RNC because they do it too.

Bet51987 · Post by **Bet51987** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:11 am

CUDA wrote: so tell me how do you feel about your party in congress not calling out the actions of their members when they do something stupid.

I would have liked an answer to my question

, but to answer yours... I read about party members calling each other out all the time. Both parties.

Bee

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:19 am

I answered your question LONG before you ever asked it. as a matter of fact it was the first response in this thread.

I said wrote:stupid, just because you have the right, doesn't make it right

Bee wrote:]I read about party members calling each other out all the time. Both parties.

REALLY???? I find it such a rare occurrence that its almost shocking when it does happen.

Bet51987 · Post by **Bet51987** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:25 am

CUDA wrote:I answered your question LONG before you ever asked it. as a matter of fact it was the first response in this thread.

I said wrote:stupid, just because you have the right, doesn't make it right

Bee wrote:]I read about party members calling each other out all the time. Both parties.
REALLY???? I find it such a rare occurrence that its almost shocking when it does happen.

Yep. Sorry, you did answer.

I agree that the parties don't do it often but they DO do it. The NRA however, made no comment.

Bee

AlphaDoG · Post by **AlphaDoG** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:39 am

Bet51987 wrote: Would you feel the same way about a man bringing an assault weapon to a childrens playground because he has the right?

All this man did was give ammunition to the people who advocate gun laws and they should use that ammo. The fact that the NRA didn't call this man out as being stupid just supports my theory of the NRA and it's members.

Bee

Actually I would. The children wouldn't HAVE to worry about being abducted by Chester the Molester, if every RESPONSIBLE citizen carried.

Bet51987 · Post by **Bet51987** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:02 am

AlphaDoG wrote:
Bet51987 wrote: Would you feel the same way about a man bringing an assault weapon to a childrens playground because he has the right?

All this man did was give ammunition to the people who advocate gun laws and they should use that ammo. The fact that the NRA didn't call this man out as being stupid just supports my theory of the NRA and it's members.

Bee
Actually I would. The children wouldn't HAVE to worry about being abducted by Chester the Molester, if every RESPONSIBLE citizen carried.

Not all gun owners are responsible so we have to drop that part.

So, what about my rights as a mother to feel unthreatened by the man in a childrens playground carrying an assault rifle. Whether the man is standing there with an assault rifle, or trenchcoat and candy, I would feel threatened and call the police.

Don't I have rights?

Bee

AlphaDoG · Post by **AlphaDoG** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:09 am

It must be terrible to walk around feeling threatened all the time. If I were you I'd prolly just stay in the house.

However, you do have rights, you have the right to go to another playground, you have the right to build your own playground.

Personally, I'd prefer the weapon and KNOWING that as long as that responsible card carrying citizen was around I'm totally safe.

Gooberman · Post by **Gooberman** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:56 am

Only in America would someone who sees logic in carrying assault rifles to children's playgrounds; accuse another of \"walk[ing] around feeling threatened all the time.\"

I'd prefer the weapon and KNOWING that as long as that responsible card carrying citizen was around I'm totally safe.

I'll just look to see if the name plate over their head is red or green. Hopefully friendly fire is turned off.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:01 am

There are very few places I can think of using an AK for defense in the country today. All of them are rural and under extreme/unusual circumstances like riots, grizzly bear attacks, foreign invasion forces, etc., playground and children don't fit anywhere into the description.

Just because I think the weapon is not very practical doesn't mean we should ban it but if someone takes one to town to a gathering of people not engaged in rioting then that someone has a priority problem at the very least.
The shock value of being seen with it doesn't serve his cause at all unless he thinks he has too much freedom.
In fact the only way it makes sense is if he's really an anti-gun nut and wants to perpetuate the gun nut stereotype.

Birdseye · Post by **Birdseye** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:19 pm

people do things like this for their own pure pleasure and to get on the news

Stroodles · Post by **Stroodles** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:24 pm

Bee-the NRA doesn't need to make a comment every time some loon does something. This guy is in no way representive of the whole population of NRA members. And if you think everyone in the NRA is brainless, then that is just beyond stupid.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:13 pm

Bet51987 wrote:Would you feel the same way about a man bringing an assault weapon to a childrens playground/SNIP

ok i'm going to stop you right there. That's a ridiculous analogy designed to do nothing but evoke a fear response.

you know better than to try something like this.

Dedman · Post by **Dedman** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:18 pm

Ferno wrote:what was this guy thinking.. taking a gun into a debate? what does he expect to happen?

I'm surpised he didn't get swarmed by the secret service.

That's exactly what I was thinking Ferno. I mean, yes the guy has the right to do what he did. It may or may not have a smart thing. That is up for debate. But, out of a good ole sence of self preservation, why would anyone in his right mind make a point of visibly carrying a firearm near the President? Like Will said, one little thing could very well lead to a dead protester at the hands of the SS. It's like Clevon Little walking into the KKK rally and asking "where are all the white women at?" Within his rights? Absolutely! Smart? Probably not so much.

Kilarin · Post by **Kilarin** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:19 pm

Ferno wrote:That's a ridiculous analogy designed to do nothing but evoke a fear response

No, not really, I think it's spot on. The same arguments for and against apply.

Bringing an AK-47 to a playground makes parents panic in much the same way that bringing an AK-47 to an Obama rally makes the Secret Service panic.

Of course, the really BIG difference is that the Secret Service is a LOT better armed than the kids and parents at the playground.

Bet51987 · Post by **Bet51987** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:26 pm

Stroodles wrote:Bee-the NRA doesn't need to make a comment every time some loon does something. This guy is in no way representive of the whole population of NRA members. And if you think everyone in the NRA is brainless, then that is just beyond stupid.

Stroodles, Not all gun owners are stupid, but some are.

The issue I have with the NRA is that they believe the gun owner is never wrong so the only time they become vocal is when they think someone is infringing on a gun owners rights...no matter how smart or how stupid that gun owner might be. You can call them a band of brothers.

The NRA could have made enormous gains with the anti-gun people by growing a miniscule brain and making a simple statement that although no laws were broken and no rights were infringed, they don't condone bringing an assault rifle, or any other weapon, that close to the President of the United States. But it will never happen because of who they are.

Bee

Ferno, what Kilarin said. The secret service was as nervous as a mother would be. I'm sure some sniper had him targeted... just in case.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:37 pm

Kilarin: Parents panic from a lot more than the secret service.

Her analogy was akin to 'releasing a known pedophile into public'. It's merely designed to evoke a response with little objectivity.

And let's not forget, a person with any kind of rifle wouldn't get near a playground without the police intercepting them well before they arrived at their destination. No one would even know until it hit the 6:00 news.

A question came to mind. Bet: are you a mother?

Bet51987 · Post by **Bet51987** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:34 pm

Ferno wrote:Kilarin: Parents panic from a lot more than the secret service.

Her analogy was akin to 'releasing a known pedophile into public'. It's merely designed to evoke a response with little objectivity.

And let's not forget, a person with any kind of rifle wouldn't get near a playground without the police intercepting them well before they arrived at their destination. No one would even know until it hit the 6:00 news.

But that's the point. In the state that the man in question was walking around with an assault rifle, he has the same right to enter a playground.

That freaks out the mothers that are there with their children... Just as much as he freaked out the secret service.

So, should there be limits to where you can open carry?

Ferno wrote:A question came to mind. Bet: are you a mother?

HUH?

Of course not. I'm not even married.

Bee

Birdseye · Post by **Birdseye** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:18 pm

Dedman wrote:
Ferno wrote:what was this guy thinking.. taking a gun into a debate? what does he expect to happen?

I'm surpised he didn't get swarmed by the secret service.
<snip>

But, out of a good ole sence of self preservation, why would anyone in his right mind make a point of visibly carrying a firearm near the President?

for pure pleasure, to stir the pot and cause a reaction. I loved doing this all the time on the DBB when I was 15, I should know all about that!

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:27 am

I like the knee jerk reaction. Man with gun, must be NRA member. Perhaps one should become acquainted with the GOA.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:18 am

Bet51987 wrote:
HUH? Of course not. I'm not even married.

Bee

so you're entire argument about playgrounds is now rendered irrelevant.

thank you for playing.

Birds: yeah that's always the fun part. I still do that most of the time! It's amazing how many people take us too seriously.

but of course there's a line between stirring the pot and doing something completely stupid, which this dude crossed.

Bet51987 · Post by **Bet51987** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 11:28 am

Ferno wrote: so you're entire argument about playgrounds is now rendered irrelevant.

No it's not. Though not a mother I worked for the park department for four years teaching kids how to swim. I felt enormous responsibility and if a gun toting jerk came into the playground, legal or not, I would call the police in a heartbeat and order everyone out of the pool and inside the building.

He can pretend to be a man somewhere else.

I'm not going to press the issue with you because of this....

Ferno wrote:
thank you for playing.

It made me laugh.

Bee

d3jake · Post by **d3jake** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:23 pm

woodchip wrote:I like the knee jerk reaction. Man with gun, must be NRA member. ...

Kinda like:

Bet51987 wrote:He can pretend to be a man somewhere else.

Obviously if a man is exercising his right he's just "trying to be a man" What if it was a woman? Well, she couldn't really be accused of "pretending to be a man," could she? Why is it that a man with a firearm is suddenly trying to prove his sex and not just exercising his rights?

Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:34 pm

More importantly, Why is it that our right to bear arms at any venue is questionable?

I doubt the mainstream would disapprove of law officers bearing firearms.. so what is up with this prejudice against citizens being able to? Are law officers any more qualified as human beings?

Oh wait, we MUST not know what's good for ourselves i guess, since this is a government spoonfed media ring circus america.

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