Obama's internet control: Just another article

Red_5 · Post by **Red_5** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 10:10 pm

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/obama- ... ,7478.html

please spread this. I'm through with Obama. Yes this is old news but it's a new source.

Gooberman · Post by **Gooberman** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:02 am

Im missing the jump between a Republican Senator, and a democrat Senator introducing legislation; and you being \"through with Obama.\"

What am I missing?

Red_5 · Post by **Red_5** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:16 pm

I don't know about the senators part, but I've had enough of his arrogance. This country is not meant to be under the control of one person or government and I have taken it upon myself to make sure everyone knows what is happening. And if I get Obama himself pissed off at me then I know I'm doing a good job.

Gooberman · Post by **Gooberman** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:37 pm

I don't know about the senators part, but I've had enough of his arrogance.

Then maybe we can help eachother. I know the senators part, they (Republican and Democrat) introduced this legislation that you find objectionable.

Now please help me out on Obama's part.

Red_5 · Post by **Red_5** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:40 pm

His views are communist/socialist. He wants as much control as possible. This isn't the way our country is supposed to be run. It is a country meant to be governed by its people.

Using this power to control the internet he can silence people that speak out against him and control the content of the web.

Foil · Post by **Foil** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:27 pm

Red_5, is Obama pushing this legislation?

From where I stand, it looks like a couple senators pushing the idea, not Obama himself. Either way, I don't see much chance of it being passed.

Kaizerwolf · Post by **Kaizerwolf** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:25 pm

From that entire article, Obama wasn't really mentioned. Only some senators were mentioned, as far as i saw. Maybe i missed something, but i dunno if Obama really has anything to do with this.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:33 pm

Maybe it’s the old “if a tree falls in the Amazon, it’s Bush’s fault” syndrome?

Welcome to “paybacks are a ★■◆●”.

TechPro · Post by **TechPro** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:52 pm

You know, the truth is that Obama (or the U.S. Government, take your pick) can't shut down the Internet anyway. It does not rely on the U.S. in order for the Internet to exist (it used to years ago, but not anymore). It's global. Obama doesn't have that kind of authority (no one does).

Red_5 · Post by **Red_5** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:40 pm

Kaizerwolf wrote:From that entire article, Obama wasn't really mentioned. Only some senators were mentioned, as far as i saw. Maybe i missed something, but i dunno if Obama really has anything to do with this.

I'm not really sure but I bet he's not going to argue against it if anything...

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:20 pm

TechPro wrote:You know, the truth is that Obama (or the U.S. Government, take your pick) can't shut down the Internet anyway. It does not rely on the U.S. in order for the Internet to exist (it used to years ago, but not anymore). It's global. Obama doesn't have that kind of authority (no one does).

No. ISPs must follow laws. They add more every few years. This would be another. And color theory is a real science.

Red_5 wrote:I don't know about the senators part, but I've had enough of his arrogance. This country is not meant to be under the control of one person or government and I have taken it upon myself to make sure everyone knows what is happening. And if I get Obama himself pissed off at me then I know I'm doing a good job.

Red_5 wrote:His views are communist/socialist. He wants as much control as possible. This isn't the way our country is supposed to be run. It is a country meant to be governed by its people.

Using this power to control the internet he can silence people that speak out against him and control the content of the web.

I understand you view, but I disagree. These are elitist politicians that fear what they don't control. If the democrats are trying to make this country better they lack the understanding of how much stronger competing businesses are versus a new government branch. (This could also be true for health care but I believe that all premiums to one system would be best.) Also I wish there would be a massive net attack because Linux distros and macs would survive.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:43 pm

JFC, what's wrong with you people?

can't you see a garbage story when you see it?

there is no possible way that one person can control all the internet, no matter how powerful they are.

It can't happen and this story is just insulting. I feel dumber just from reading the first ten words of it.

I can't believe the junk I read on here now.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:10 pm

Ferno wrote:JFC, what's wrong with you people?

Nothing. This is a webforum where people exchange ideas and talk about events.

Ferno wrote:can't you see a garbage story when you see it?

I can't believe the junk I read on here now.

It can't happen and this story is just insulting. I feel dumber just from reading the first ten words of it

I feel dumber just from reading the first ten words of it

You are being rude. Please stop.

Ferno wrote:there is no possible way that one person can control all the internet, no matter how powerful they are.

Not all airplans can be grounded either.

Don't worry ferno. lothar will delete any inappropriate material. He's very good at monitoring. If you continue insutling I will report you.

Nightshade · Post by **Nightshade** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:26 pm

\"Nobody can control the internet.\"

Perhaps nobody can control the content- but how do you get your internet? It's called an ISP. Those can be shut down. Central servers? Routers? Shut down.

Run around with your wifi laptop hoping to get an open AP? They're all connected to ISPs which can be shut down.

About the only way someone could get internet is with a satellite connection- and that's assuming the government couldn't cut those off as well.

Yes, the internet can be shut down- at least in one country. Ask the Iranian people.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:20 pm

Look.

the fact is the loons on the left were spouting that Bush wanted to control the internet years ago, and now it's the same thing under a different name.

Issac: I'm not being rude. I'm calling bs on the story. You're just mad because I didn't let you turn your thread into a dumping ground.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:49 pm

I betcha Algore could turn his child off anytime he wanted.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 4:17 pm

woodchip wrote:I betcha Algore could turn his child off anytime he wanted.

well thats nothing to be proud of. he turns most of America off everytime he opens his mouth

TechPro · Post by **TechPro** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:14 pm

Ferno wrote:there is no possible way that one person can control all the internet, no matter how powerful they are.

That's what I was trying to say ... but you said it much simpler.

Ferno wrote:can't you see a garbage story when you see it?

there is no possible way that one person can control all the internet, no matter how powerful they are.

It can't happen and this story is just insulting. I feel dumber just from reading the first ten words of it.

I can't believe the junk I read on here now.

I agree, and it amazes me how many people think an authority figure could order the ISPs to shut down. At most a person could shut down *maybe* one country, but ONLY if all the many many ISPs all agree to do it (fat chance).

Ya, stupid thread.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:07 pm

TechPro wrote:
Ferno wrote:there is no possible way that one person can control all the internet, no matter how powerful they are.
That's what I was trying to say ... but you said it much simpler.

Ferno wrote:can't you see a garbage story when you see it?

there is no possible way that one person can control all the internet, no matter how powerful they are.

It can't happen and this story is just insulting. I feel dumber just from reading the first ten words of it.

I can't believe the junk I read on here now.
I agree, and it amazes me how many people think an authority figure could order the ISPs to shut down. At most a person could shut down *maybe* one country, but ONLY if all the many many ISPs all agree to do it (fat chance).

Ya, stupid thread.

This is incorrect.

Isaac wrote:ISPs must follow laws. They add more every few years. This would be another.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:08 pm

ThunderBunny wrote:"Nobody can control the internet."

Perhaps nobody can control the content- but how do you get your internet? It's called an ISP. Those can be shut down. Central servers? Routers? Shut down.

Run around with your wifi laptop hoping to get an open AP? They're all connected to ISPs which can be shut down.

About the only way someone could get internet is with a satellite connection- and that's assuming the government couldn't cut those off as well.

Yes, the internet can be shut down- at least in one country. Ask the Iranian people.

Correct.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:17 am

woodchip wrote:I betcha Algore could turn his child off anytime he wanted.

Only if he actually made it.

There's a big reason why they won't even attempt to shut down or even try to control the internet: People would actually get off their collective behinds and actually yank senators out of their seats if they did.

TB: Another Iran comparison?. I don't know if anyone's told you but people here are getting pretty sick and tired of you trying to demonize Iran every chance you get. Frankly it's just ridiculous to see it here all the time. Why should we believe you on anything now if all you've done is dump scare story after scare story?

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:42 am

Ferno wrote:There's a big reason why they won't even attempt to shut down or even try to control the internet: People would actually get off their collective behinds and actually yank senators out of their seats if they did.

Ferno wrote:there is no possible way that one person can control all the internet, no matter how powerful they are.

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Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:49 am

I’m sorry, but I have to say this…

The internet culture has to get it’s head out of its collective butt.

Sergeant Thorne · Post by **Sergeant Thorne** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:22 pm

Ferno wrote:There's a big reason why they won't even attempt to shut down or even try to control the internet: People would actually get off their collective behinds and actually yank senators out of their seats if they did.

If Obama dared to boldly hit the internet switch tomorrow, as the whole country watched in horror, then they might. Why would Obama want to shut down the internet (communication) against the wishes of the majority? That's really what you folks seem to be railing against. I believe that people like the people in power right now only require the precedent. The gullibility of the majority makes them easy pawns.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:09 pm

Lol…this is like the game we used to play on the schoolbus…

What’s next “Obama feels like shutting down the internet”.

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:14 pm

He'd better talk to Al Gore first .....

Red_5 · Post by **Red_5** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:28 pm

As arrogant as such a move would be, at least it would motivate people to stand up and march on the government. Every cloud does seem to have a silver lining.

I can assure you I would be participating in such a march.

TechPro · Post by **TechPro** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:39 pm

Isaac wrote:
ThunderBunny wrote:Yes, the internet can be shut down- at least in one country. Ask the Iranian people.
Correct.

Did you forget about the Twitter users who constantly got word out about what was/is going on in Iran? Shut down for Iran? Ha! Their government wishes!

Red_5 · Post by **Red_5** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:07 pm

Twitter is a powerful tool.

http://Twitter.com/Defend_America

Kilarin · Post by **Kilarin** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:36 pm

Not that I think Obama is a good guy, But isn't it likely that the whole point of this misguided bill was NOT an attempt to cut off peoples access to information, but to shut down infected botnets participating in DOS attacks on critical assets?

I think its probably a VERY bad idea, very likely to be misused, but it doesn't look like the INTENT was evil.

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:01 am

the problem with anti-biotics, is that they kill ALL bacteria; even the good bacteria.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:20 am

Duper, not anti-biotics. It would be more grammatical to call them anti-botics.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:13 am

Yea, everything is always a bad idea…until some cyber terrorist infects the web…then we hear…”the government didn’t do enuf to protect us”.

I’m just saying…

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:02 am

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:44 am

This is possible. I can build a computer bomb with a 486, duct tape, and a stick of dynamite.

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 1:32 pm

Kilarin wrote:I think its probably a VERY bad idea, very likely to be misused, but it doesn't look like the INTENT was evil.

Good point.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:43 pm

What can really come out of this…

Reality:

Government creates a rapid response office to help ISPs coordinate in the event of a cyber attack. (or sum such)

Fantasy:

In a darkened room, way beneath the whitehouse, hundreds of federal workers tap away continuously on their laptops blocking evil content.

..................

Lol isaac...

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