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[Insurrectionist]

Obama 'Green Jobs' Adviser Van Jones Resigns Amid Controversy.

This man may have believed that there was a government role in the 2001 terror attack 9/11. Why else would any one sign the petition seeking to have congressional hearings on the matter.

[Lothar]

Jones said of “the petition that was circulated today, I do not agree with this statement and it certainly does not reflect my views now or ever.”

First, Ben Smith contacted two of the other “signatories” of that document, and learned that they had indeed been misled by the Truthers, and thought they were signing a legitimate document calling for further investigations.

Here’s the response from leftist Rabbi Michael Lerner:

I was asked to sign a letter which I was told had four demands:

As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:

1. An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
2. Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
3. Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
4. The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry.

I did not authorize my name to be used for all the other stuff that I now see was included surrounding the letter, namely the sponsors of that 911truth.org, and would not have had I been aware that all that stuff was presented in ways that suggested that I agreed with it, and though I do recognize a few of the people I’d consider “nut cases” among the list of signatories, my guess is that most of those who signed were, like me, unaware of the context in which our names would appear.

And from far left “historian” Howard Zinn:

Zinn sent me a curt email in response to a question of whether he’d intended to suggest Bush’s complicity in the attacks: “I did not sign a statement suggesting that ‘Bush had prior knowledge.’ I signed a statement calling for an investigation.”

In other words, the Truthers lied about the real intent of their document in order to get people to sign it.

Imagine my surprise.

[Gooberman]

1. Glenn Beck calls Obama a racist.

2. Color of Change, a political advocacy group, organizes an extremely successful advertising boycott (which included 36 companies) of Glenn Beck's program.

3. Afterwards, Glenn Beck zeros in on Van Jones. He summons his mindless minions to go out in full force and protest this new evil.

Van Jones == co-founder of Color of Change.

\"...and now you know, the rest of the story.\" -Paul Harvey (1918-2009)

[AlphaDoG]

/me applauds Mr. Beck!

[dissent]

3. Afterwards, Glenn Beck zeros in on Van Jones. He summons his mindless minions to go out in full force and protest this new evil.

Van Jones == co-founder of Color of Change.

Did it really happen afterwards? This report indicates that Beck was reporting on Van Jones prior to the boycott.

[dissent]

First, Ben Smith contacted two of the other “signatories” of that document, and learned that they had indeed been misled by the Truthers, and thought they were signing a legitimate document calling for further investigations. ...

...And from far left “historian” Howard Zinn:

Zinn sent me a curt email in response to a question of whether he’d intended to suggest Bush’s complicity in the attacks: “I did not sign a statement suggesting that ‘Bush had prior knowledge.’ I signed a statement calling for an investigation.”

In other words, the Truthers lied about the real intent of their document in order to get people to sign it.

Imagine my surprise.

But is Zinn's defense credible?




Ace also has this on Michael Lerner.

[Gooberman]

Did it really happen afterwards? This report indicates that Beck was reporting on Van Jones prior to the boycott.

Yes, I chose the words 'zeros in' intentionally, I mean we went from ~two reports, which I believe were reporting on most of the Czars which included V.J., to almost dedicating show after show to the man.

Van Jones was an easy target, and Glenn Beck went straight for the jugular. This is right out of Bill O'Reilly's play book. You ever wonder why Bill goes after GE so strongly? Saying they might of supplied terrorist with Bombs, etc.

They own MSNBC, along with Keith Olbermann.

The 'Factor' has been told, but can not confirm, that the General Electric Co. is under investigation in the case...The 'Factor' is not accusing anyone of anything; we are just reporting what we believe to be true.

I mean how the hell does the above even make it on the air.

The point is that all of these men are abusing their positions and using their audiences as tools to fight their ego wars.

[flip]

I was asked to sign a letter which I was told had four demands:

As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:

1. An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
2. Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
3. Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
4. The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry.

Sounds like to me they have doubts themselves and understandably don't want to take a firm position without evidence first. I can't see how anybody can just resolve it all in their minds and have no doubts at all, and I think that's what these people signed for. Not to make an accusation, but to say \"we still have our doubts\".

[Insurrectionist]

Wow and only one media source to bring this out into the light. I seen no other media report that Van Jones was in RAW, STORM, and other left wing radical movements or his arrest in the Riots over Rodney King. How about his support for Mumia Abu-Jamal who was convicted for the 1981 shooting death of a Philadelphia police officer. Van Jones lead a act of civil disobedience after the Supreme Court rejected claims that Abu-Jamal did not receive a fair trial.

Poor old evil FOX NEWS.

I bet Obama ask him to step down which is a very smart move on Obama's part.

[woodchip]

So perhap we should be thankful that Fox News and Beck are willing to expose someone like Van Jones as the other major news organs seem to be asleep at the wheel:

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\"Yet some of the biggest names in media are most curiously absent from a news story which now enjoys six major prominent links at Drudge and is raging across the Internet. The Washington Examiner's Byron York did a Beltway Confidential piece titled \"The Van Jones (non) Feeding Frenzy,\" highlighting Lexis-Nexis searches from 11:30AM on Friday, September 4th:
Here are Mr. York's basic term searches and eye-opening results:

From a Nexis search a few moments ago:
Total words about the Van Jones controversy in the New York Times: 0.
Total words about the Van Jones controversy in the Washington Post: 0.
Total words about the Van Jones controversy on NBC Nightly News: 0.
Total words about the Van Jones controversy on ABC World News: 0.
Total words about the Van Jones controversy on CBS Evening News: 0.\"

[Will Robinson]

The media has already gone on record as excusing Obama from associating with and/or hiring radicals so it's nothing new that they wouldn't pick up on any aspect of this guys appointment and only look for stories that make his detractors look loopy. It is the results oriented business model they have regarding presidential politics...the result of filtering criticism for their candidate.

[AlphaDoG]

The Czar is dead. Long live the Czar!

[Sedwick]

Not that I believe 9/11 was an inside job, but if there really is some interesting evidence, what's wrong with calling for an investigation? What's the big controversy?

[Spidey]

Figments of imagination are not “interesting evidence”.

[Will Robinson]

Not that I believe 9/11 was an inside job, but if there really is some interesting evidence, what's wrong with calling for an investigation? What's the big controversy?

If you are talking about Bush had explosives put in the twin towers, had a military plane hit the Pentagon etc. etc....
Have you ever stopped to think about how many people from all sorts of different walks of life would have to be willing to work together to perpetrate that event and then ALL OF THEM KEEP IT A SECRET?!?!

I think if you look in the dictionary for "Absolutely Impossible" you will see this scenario as an example.

[Lothar]

By the way, I hope nobody took my post as a defense of Van Jones as a whole. I wouldn't trust the guy to be czar in a fifth grade play.

But the criticism over the 9/11 investigation petition is goofy. It's not as though 9/11 \"truthers\" were exactly trustworthy the way they presented their \"petitions\". If it was phrased as \"a petition for the federal government to put together a thorough investigation of 9/11\" one could easily sign it thinking it was about investigating Al Qaeda and looking to fix intelligence failures leading up to the attacks, rather than a nutjob conspiracy theory petition. Even if Zinn and Lerner's \"defenses\" aren't credible, the \"truthers\" aren't either, so all we have is a name on a petition that may or may not mean anything.

There's plenty of reason to criticize Van Jones and to cheer over his resignation. I just don't see this particular issue as even remotely important.

[CUDA]