Saudis Get it Right

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:59 pm

Maybe our judicial system could learn a thing from Saudi Arabia:

\"RIYADH (Reuters) - A Saudi court of cassation upheld a ruling to behead and crucify a 22-year-old man convicted of raping five children and leaving one of them to die in the desert, newspapers reported on Tuesday.\"

Seems like a good dose of justice to me.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:54 pm

Feels like good judgment until you punish an innocent person. I'm all for exacting a pound of flesh from child rapists, but there's no taking back that punishment once it's been done. Also, this is from the nation that doesn't allow women to drive and cuts the hands off of convicted thieves. Sounds like a nice place to live.

Gooberman · Post by **Gooberman** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:59 pm

Also, this is from the nation that doesn't allow women to drive and cuts the hands off of convicted thieves. Sounds like a nice place to live

....no, I'd better not.

NUMBERZero · Post by **NUMBERZero** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:07 pm

tunnelcat wrote:Feels like good judgment until you punish an innocent person. I'm all for exacting a pound of flesh from child rapists, but there's no taking back that punishment once it's been done. Also, this is from the nation that doesn't allow women to drive and cuts the hands off of convicted thieves. Sounds like a nice place to live.

X2, but is the crime rate lower for fear of severe punishment? Just don't do it.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:47 pm

so let just not punish them. that way you'll never punish an innocent person. of course that leave the fact the the Innocent victims will get no justice. ahh but who cares. lets just not punish a potentially innocent criminal

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:50 am

I'm all for woodchip & CUDA moving to Saudi Arabia.

Dedman · Post by **Dedman** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:30 am

CUDA wrote:so let just not punish them. that way you'll never punish an innocent person. of course that leave the fact the the Innocent victims will get no justice. ahh but who cares. lets just not punish a potentially innocent criminal

Are those honestly the only two choices you see here Cuda; "kill em all" or "let the child rapists go free" or are you just trying to be an ass?

Just curious.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:10 am

Grendel wrote:I'm all for woodchip & CUDA moving to Saudi Arabia.

I'd be in really good company if we did.

CDN_Merlin · Post by **CDN_Merlin** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:15 am

I sometimes agree with their justice system. Sadly it would get out of hand here. But some of our henious crimes I'd let that justice system take over. If we can absolutely prove they are guilty, let the fry. No wasting money on them in prison.

Foil · Post by **Foil** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:20 am

Grendel wrote:I'm all for woodchip & CUDA moving to Saudi Arabia.

snoopy · Post by **snoopy** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:27 am

Dedman wrote:Are those honestly the only two choices you see here Cuda; "kill em all" or "let the child rapists go free" or are you just trying to be an ass?

Just curious.

I suppose the US justice system is an attempt at a balance between the two... and I'm not convinced about the over-populated jails (financed on my dime) that our system produces.

I don't we'll ever find a perfect answer. I don't think the Saudis have it right, nor do I think the US has it right. At the same time, I agree with the sentiment that child rapists deserve to be dead.

SilverFJ · Post by **SilverFJ** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:02 pm

i think this bad tooth is giving me a brain infection.

TheWhat · Post by **TheWhat** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:55 pm

SilverFJ wrote:
Grendel wrote:I'm all for woodchip & CUDA moving to Saudi Arabia.
I tried to think of something clever to respond to this, but I couldn't. You're just a douche-bag.

No, that was funny and the term "douchebag" is overused. GO U S A - WE FIGHT FOR DA HONOR ON A MESSAGEBOARD 2DAY!!!

*snore*

dissent · Post by **dissent** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:30 pm

Grendel wrote:I'm all for woodchip & CUDA moving to Saudi Arabia.

Not to worry.

They (the "Saudis") will be here soon enough.

(How's that, SilverFJ?)

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:48 pm

It'll be the 'Saudis' and the 'Chinese'. They're taking most of our money nowadays.

Here's an interesting debate on the pros and cons of Capital Punishment:

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/node/592

It also may not be a good deterrent to capital crimes either:

http://www.enotes.com/does-capital-article

If that's the case, why do we still have it as a punishment? My guess is it's for the sake of revenge and closure, not justice or deterrence.

Stroodles · Post by **Stroodles** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:55 pm

I'm all for death penalty. Let's give a narrative example.

One of these sick, twisted people, kills a member of my family or my children. They get caught, and have no pennance over it, laugh about the crime. They get life in prison. Meanwhile, for the rest of MY life, I get to pay taxes. These taxes go the jail to fund life for these prisoners. They get daily exercise, food, and health care, for the rest of their lives. And I PAY FOR IT.

I don't want MY tax dollars to pay for that. I say fry them, and give the money to someone more deserving.

Not to mention the 95% of child rapists repeat their crimes. I'm pretty sure that killing them all would significantly reduce the repeat crime rate.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:53 pm

now what would you say if you found out that a DNA test exonerated the person who was found guilty, Stroodles?

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:18 am

Or what would you say Ferny, when you let a child molester out for good behavior and he molested another child but this time killed her so there would be no witness?

CDN_Merlin · Post by **CDN_Merlin** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:11 am

The amount of times we would incarcirate an innocent person would not outweight the ones we give the death penalty to. Yes it is a sad thing but it's part of life.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:44 am

I'm all for an 'eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth', but we need to make damn sure the right scumbag is convicted and executed, not someone who is innocent. The problem is that some prosecutors and other law enforcement officials have agendas or prejudices and use the death penalty for their own purposes. How do you get around that?

CDN_Merlin · Post by **CDN_Merlin** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:57 am

Sadly TC, you can't get around it. Until everyone is not racist, it won't happen.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:05 am

Well, as a nation, are we willing to execute innocent people along with the guilty? Is that price too high and do we have a national conscience to live with it? Would you want to be in the shoes of a convicted innocent person? Remember, the U.S. is the only western nation that has the death penalty and Texas uses it the most.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009 ... fact_grann

CDN_Merlin · Post by **CDN_Merlin** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:29 am

I understand, Canada hasn't had the death penalty for 50 years or so. But I seriously think we have to bring it back for some of the most henious crimes. They don't deserve to live and have our tax dollars wasted.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:04 pm

woodchip wrote:Or what would you say Ferny, when you let a child molester out for good behavior and he molested another child but this time killed her so there would be no witness?

Ya like that's ever happend. Elizabeth Smart, Jaycee Lee Dugard and a little 9 year old named Jessica Lundsford. all repeat offenses by the way.
We have a moral obligation to protect society, in the course of the protection of that society mistakes will be made, that is un-avoidable, we are not God we cannot not know everything. But the instances of wrongful punishment pale in comparison to the instances of repeat offenders.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:40 pm

woodchip wrote:Or what would you say Ferny, when you let a child molester out for good behavior and he molested another child but this time killed her so there would be no witness?

are you serious?

dude that's a huge facepalm and so NOT related to what I asked.

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