Miner Wars Alpha in-game video with 6DOF

TigerRaptor · Post by **TigerRaptor** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 3:34 pm

roid wrote:Wow this IS sounding more and more like nTrap

A faded memory.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 8:23 am

roid wrote:
With so many people in there, the tunnels will quickly hollow out bigger and bigger from all the missed shots. The landscape could look quite interesting, neighbouring tunnels eventually meeting up with one another until the landscape simplifys down to just one huge raggity hollow misshapen sphere - continually growing with all the stray bullet spam.

Wut? No doors to trigger ambushes?

Gekko71 · Post by **Gekko71** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:08 am

Bump.

New video featuring physics and solar wind effect posted today. See it at http://www.minerwars.com/

I like the way the chain guns kick your opponent's ship around

Darghan · Post by **Darghan** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:37 pm

Spidey wrote:In my opinion the first thing a company should release is a working demo…and not all of this tease.

Spidey how do you envision us getting enough audience in order to pay for the game development mate?

Silence and then releasing a demo wont make things work I am afraid.

Thx for all your positive replys guys I will be watching these forums from now on.

NUMBERZero · Post by **NUMBERZero** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:15 pm

Wait! Can it be? The man behind the curtain of Miner Wars! This is awesome! Welcome to the DBB!

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:37 pm

Welcome!!

Darghan · Post by **Darghan** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:08 am

a big thx for your welcome guys

Guys were now looking for people to help us with the project.
These are the areas:
3D modelling
Basic Routine Programming and scripting
Game promotion (marketing)
Idea contribution

All of this is really welcome in our project. We hope were making the very next descent with mining and space combat/exploration and we need all the help we can get

.

So just that you know there will be sectors where you will only be underground. The game is an open universe where we want to put as much as we can. Were counting on our community to help us with the project. Descent community is one of those that we put much faith into.

your welcome to visit: www.minerwars.com for more info

Darghan · Post by **Darghan** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:13 am

woodchip wrote:
roid wrote:
With so many people in there, the tunnels will quickly hollow out bigger and bigger from all the missed shots. The landscape could look quite interesting, neighbouring tunnels eventually meeting up with one another until the landscape simplifys down to just one huge raggity hollow misshapen sphere - continually growing with all the stray bullet spam.
Wut? No doors to trigger ambushes?

Underground sectors = doors = ambushes

Darghan · Post by **Darghan** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:15 am

Templeton wrote:Roid said- "The asteroids can be of such epic size that you could have an entire hollowed out "Descent" mine structure in there."

There was a quote by the original developer on their website, talking about how they could eventually have fully destructible asteroids that are the equivelant of our Moon in size.

Imagine a couple of those, with tunnels and a base inside, and then 300+ ships fighting it out between them in CTF or something.

Wheeee......

Current HW limitations (means that our game has to run on old 6600 GT cards) limit us to roughly maximum 8kms in size asteroids. But we can push much -- much more.

Darghan · Post by **Darghan** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:25 am

Guys its not a secret that we are a small team. We are a startup and were pushing our game and studio to be as big as Interplay was back in the old days. Do you seriously think that a high-end studio like EA or Ubisoft would have the balls to put 100 MIL EUR into a descent project? The answer is no. What we are trying to achieve here is brining all space sim fans out there together and have them play and develop the game. After the release were also putting our engine on the plate for other indie guys out there who want to make games. We want this engine to be the startup point for other descent/space games to grow and flourish. At this moment though we have got a good interest in the game from some well-sized publishers out there. The game is not dead. Its on its start and we are going to release it and make it great.

CDN_Merlin · Post by **CDN_Merlin** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:06 am

Keep it going. I'm interested in it. Sadly my PC is kinda old but hopefull can upgrade in a year or two.

Pandora · Post by **Pandora** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:15 am

Gekko71 wrote:Bump.

New video featuring physics and solar wind effect posted today. See it at http://www.minerwars.com/

I like the way the chain guns kick your opponent's ship around

Thanks for posting this, Gekko. I am now quite impressed. I like the way the ship moves, and the solar wind effects --- and the ability to hide from it.

I am really looking forward to see the first video of a frantic dogfight. Whether this will work is, IMHO, a big part of whether the game will succeed.

roid · Post by **roid** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:58 am

yes i too think that GAMEPLAY will make or break the game. I guess they are fielding for ideas guys.

The engine and graphics look good, now it's just a matter of constraining the abilities of the player enough that it gives challenging goals and makes the game interesting.

the vapourware game nTrap was so open ended, players seemed way too powerful, i couldn't see how it was viable as a \"game\" concept.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:06 am

Well Darghan,

Speaking from a totally capitalist pig perspective….

You run your idea by some investors, and if they like your idea…they invest.

Pandora · Post by **Pandora** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:57 am

roid wrote:The engine and graphics look good, now it's just a matter of constraining the abilities of the player enough that it gives challenging goals and makes the game interesting.

exactly!

Darghan · Post by **Darghan** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:30 am

lol this is no Ntrap guys

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Darghan · Post by **Darghan** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:31 am

Spidey wrote:Well Darghan,

Speaking from a totally capitalist pig perspective….

You run your idea by some investors, and if they like your idea…they invest.

being an ex top management executive at an international software house I too see a potential in investors

but they usually take too much freedom from your concept and this usually ruins the whole thing

CDN_Merlin · Post by **CDN_Merlin** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:57 am

The longer you take to make it, the better change I have to having a newer PC. So take your time.

Sllik · Post by **Sllik** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:18 pm

My skepticism is waning. I guess we'll see. =)

On a different tangent, Jumpgate Evolution is taking way too long to get released. Damnit.

Templeton · Post by **Templeton** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:13 pm

Guys, have not been very active on the forum, but most everyone knows me from the Descent games over the years.

I have been watching Miner Wars with great interest over the past 6 months, and my honest opinion is that this is as close as anyone will ever get to a game that exemplifies everything we have loved about the Descent and Freespace series (short of Descent 4, which is taboo to mention anymore).

My suggestion is that we spread the word in the community, and let everyone visit the site and see for themselves. I believe that the Descent/Freespace community can and should play a vital role in this project. Given some of the ideas, art, mods, etc.... over the years, there is a large collective knowledge base and brain trust right here.

This team may be small, but Marek has laid most of the foundation. So if they can tap into the wealth of ideas already generated (ship designs, weapons and even some level design to name a few) then it becomes a win/win for all. As mentioned, they are making this open and asking for input. We know there is no shortage of \"input\" around here, so lets focus that towards something productive.

BTW, I suggest a ship like the BlackPyro would be nice, with dual homers.... Oh, and dont forget the Mass Driver (also, if you speed up the chain gun a bit, its alot like a Vauss!)

Perhaps the Miner Wars team could join us for a few matches in Descent, would love to have you guys check it out first hand if you have not already. Im sure there is not shortage of people that would be willing to help get you up too speed.

Heck, I will buy everyone on the team a copy of Descent 3 (up to about 5 copies, probably the most I can find locally) and ship it too you if you promise to join us some time.

roid · Post by **roid** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:56 am

Hmm, well ok here's an idea for MinerWars:

If you are going to make the ships capable of strafing in any direction, make sure it fits the design of the ship.
The ships in Descent (particular D1 which has no afterburner capability) are stupid in that they can move in any direction THE SAME SPEED even though they only have engines on the rear of the craft.
The Descent craft were dumbly designed with aerodynamics in mind, they have useless vestigial wings as if they \"fly\". It's just coz that's what we all expect to see in a space-ship - something that looks like an aircraft - we're idiots.

A Descent ship properly designed to match it's actual capabilities would be covered in relatively equally sized engines (or at least exhaust ports) on all sides, not just on the back.

I like how in Psygnosis Lander, the main engine is on the bottom of the craft, and you can thus only really thrust upwards (the rest is just all about what direction your craft and thus engine is pointing). It's a realistic design.

To have only huge rear engines on a MinerWars craft that can strafe left and right just as easily as thrust forwards - would be a design mistake.
I'm not yet particular familiar with the MinerWars ships, but from the videos (particularly the most recent one that first demonstrates a solar \"wind\" (do you mean to say \"flare\"?)) i notice that the ships have visible rocket exhaust comming from all around the ship. Good job

i understand you have a call out for new more ship designs, this may cause a problem with unmatching design styles (which could be a good thing), or even worse: unmatching design STANDARDS OF REALISM.

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:42 am

Oh good grief.

can we PLEASE not go there.

NUMBERZero · Post by **NUMBERZero** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:52 am

Duper wrote:Oh good grief.

can we PLEASE not go there.

X2

No Mass Driver/sniper type weapon. People will use it for close quarters combat and that usually comes straight down to who has the better ping. The Mass Driver also trumps every other weapon in the game, making it horribly unbalanced.

NUMBERZero · Post by **NUMBERZero** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:53 am

double post

Darghan · Post by **Darghan** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:24 pm

Templeton wrote:Guys, have not been very active on the forum, but most everyone knows me from the Descent games over the years.

I have been watching Miner Wars with great interest over the past 6 months, and my honest opinion is that this is as close as anyone will ever get to a game that exemplifies everything we have loved about the Descent and Freespace series (short of Descent 4, which is taboo to mention anymore).

My suggestion is that we spread the word in the community, and let everyone visit the site and see for themselves. I believe that the Descent/Freespace community can and should play a vital role in this project. Given some of the ideas, art, mods, etc.... over the years, there is a large collective knowledge base and brain trust right here.

This team may be small, but Marek has laid most of the foundation. So if they can tap into the wealth of ideas already generated (ship designs, weapons and even some level design to name a few) then it becomes a win/win for all. As mentioned, they are making this open and asking for input. We know there is no shortage of "input" around here, so lets focus that towards something productive.

BTW, I suggest a ship like the BlackPyro would be nice, with dual homers.... Oh, and dont forget the Mass Driver (also, if you speed up the chain gun a bit, its alot like a Vauss!)

Perhaps the Miner Wars team could join us for a few matches in Descent, would love to have you guys check it out first hand if you have not already. Im sure there is not shortage of people that would be willing to help get you up too speed.

Heck, I will buy everyone on the team a copy of Descent 3 (up to about 5 copies, probably the most I can find locally) and ship it too you if you promise to join us some time.

Hey mate thx for the "calling to arms" thing

. No need to get me a copy Ive got one of my own. However I installed it yesterday again and I am having a strange issue. Not being able to finish the training. After I do that frickin stupid mission it does not let me go to the normal missions even though I finished it

. Anyway I am not really having time to do gaming now since were really pushing. Btw if you look at the ships maneuvering capabilities you will see that we really had descent in mind. Just take out the idea of joystick. We have designed the game for mouse control or stick control on xbox.

CDN_Merlin · Post by **CDN_Merlin** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:49 pm

Will you have stick control on the PC? If not I doubt there will be many Descent players (non-mousers) trying it.

Also, when you start the training missions, just hit ESC and you can skip it. Make sure to patch to 1.4 also.

NUMBERZero · Post by **NUMBERZero** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 6:25 pm

Darghan wrote:Just take out the idea of joystick. We have designed the game for mouse control or stick control on xbox.

Noooooooo!

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 6:55 pm

NUMBERZero wrote:
Darghan wrote:Just take out the idea of joystick. We have designed the game for mouse control or stick control on xbox.

Noooooooo!

x2...

Sirius · Post by **Sirius** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:20 pm

I play D2 with the mouse anyway...

roid · Post by **roid** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:44 pm

CDN_Merlin wrote:Will you have stick control on the PC? If not I doubt there will be many Descent players (non-mousers) trying it.

x2

Remove all joystick support and you will likely remove the descent community.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:23 pm

How do you even remove joystick support if you can map the keys to any button or slider? Is this a non-issue?

roid · Post by **roid** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:38 pm

true, with programs like PPJoy and GlovePIE we can emulate any controller (eg: mouse) with any other one (eg: joystick).

NUMBERZero · Post by **NUMBERZero** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:42 pm

roid wrote:
CDN_Merlin wrote:Will you have stick control on the PC? If not I doubt there will be many Descent players (non-mousers) trying it.
x2

Remove all joystick support and you will likely remove the descent community.

Indeed it is a pretty big hit. That's the reason I stayed away from Shattered Horizon.

Issac, sure you can map all of the keys, but the X Y and Z axis is the problem. Sometimes you want precise thrust and you only want to use 50%. Throttle for that. W/O joystick support, you are forced to go full throttle. Same goes with the X and Y axis, but those are even more important. I hear that there are mouse emulators for the JS, but IDK if I can trust them.

This news has definately caused a paradigm shift for me.

EDIT: I was writing this on the DSi and Roid posted about the emulators while I was also replying. I'll just leave it as is.

Sirius · Post by **Sirius** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:09 pm

What, did people actually use the throttle control in Descent?

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:18 pm

Sirius wrote:What, did people actually use the throttle control in Descent?

You might want it for this new game since the levels look humongous.

NUMBERZero · Post by **NUMBERZero** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:27 pm

You want it for sneaking around tunnels. It's more precise. Plus if the physics are above Descent's average, turning rate would be faster with the throttle at a low percent.

roid · Post by **roid** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:37 pm

and then there's also the whole space-simulator Newtonian vs Arcade physics debate.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 10:36 pm

roid wrote:and then there's also the whole space-simulator Newtonian vs Arcade physics debate.

Everything must drive like a car!

Sirius · Post by **Sirius** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 10:50 pm

Yeah, I don't really have a problem sneaking around tunnels without it. It only seems to work forward/backward anyway... rather not use different systems for the P/Q and N axes (if I'm remembering them right).

P.S. Newtonian physics may be realistic, but they make for a very inaccessible game.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:42 pm

Better to use “science fiction” physics…remember the Pyro defies gravity.

\"What, did people actually use the throttle control in Descent?\"

Yes

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