woodchip wrote:Quite easy to answer TC. Back in the Bush days unemployment was only 5% (yet Demoscamers were trying to paint 5% as horrible...remember?) and, while Bush was running yearly 500 bil deficits, that pales to Obama's 1.6 trillion deficits. People are justly horrified that politicians can spend so much while the country is in the throws of the deepest recession in 50 years. For 1 1/4 year, instead of job creation via working with small business, all the Dem majority could do was concentrate on creating another entitlement program costing trillions of dollars even while medicare and social security funds are dwindling. All those millions of protesters were not "hired" but were genuine concerned citizens who let their respective representatives know their displeasure. When mocked and scorned by the Dems, the tea party types lashed back by voting out Dems like the governor of New Jersey and "gasp" even voted in a republican to take over the "Lion of the Dem. Party Ted Kennedys vacant seat. Even still the Dems, so blinded by health care, didn't get it.
Why didn't this rage happen with Bush? Simply because the majority of the people approved of him protecting us. The majority now do not approve of health care and the obscene spending spree Obama and co. are on. All we see now is a arrogant disregard of what the majority wants by people who now run the risk of total ruin in the fall with the resultant repeal of health care by new republicans who hopefully understand why they were approved to represent us.
Well, Bush HID his war spending with slick accounting tricks and then pushed through over $2 TRILLION in tax cuts for the wealthy. There went the $230 billion surplus he started with! Lets see, start 2 unnecessary expensive wars and cut out a HUGE chunk of the government's income to pay for them, then hide the expenses off the books for said wars so that he won't look like he's deficit spending like a drunken idiot! What a smart guy! At least Obama has made this war spending transparent. So much for his honesty!
http://pr.thinkprogress.org/2009/02/pr20090224
As for a 'majority' opposing health care reform, it really depends on what state you poll. Florida, full of it's greedy, wealthy, set for life cushy insurance plans,
old geezers, are NOT for it by about 54%. I can't find a recent nationwide poll that goes much over 49% to 50% split. So a 'majority' doesn't oppose it yet. However, I will agree with you that opinions will probably shift more
against the bill when costs invariably don't go down as promised (because it was never dealt with in this bill). People who will now be
forced to buy expensive private insurance WILL get fed up with the mess as they either go bankrupt or get put in prison because they refused to pay the 'fine', cough, tax.
CUDA wrote:I think your forgeting about all the anti Bush rally's that were held, some vile, angry and hateful things said there, you yourself have even echo'd some of them on this BB
Yep. But at least I didn't go to the Capital and actually spit on him or call him the 'n' word or 'f' word!
AlphaDoG wrote:tunnelcat wrote: It's far more hateful and violent looking than when Clinton was being a jerk. Even I wanted the bum thrown out of office because of his arrogant stance, so I voted him out.
Am I the only one that caught this? I'm pretty sure Clinton served two terms, the maximum limit a President can serve.
I was tired, my boo boo. I wanted the bum IMPEACHED and THROWN OUT OF OFFICE before his final term was OVER and I voted AGAINST Al Gore for standing right next to him in the Rose Garden and NOT speaking up AT ALL like a little simping wimp. If Gore had shown some spine and spoke out against Clinton, he would've gotten my vote then. Clear now?
Will, maybe not all those Tea Partyers are racists, but I'm still willing to bet that since most of them are white Americans, there is some element of race that's influencing their actions at these rallies. I'm sure that there are many people of other races that don't like the health care reform that's been passed, so why aren't they out there protesting too? Why the mostly white makeup of the groups? Coincidence?
Bet, I think that a mandate ONLY makes sense if we have some form of single-payer health care that doesn't include the for-profit insurance industry. 20 percent of our health care dollars go just to overhead, not actual care. You'll notice how all the health insurance stocks went up after the bill was passed. What's good for Wall Street ain't going to be good for the common pion. Obama made his mistake by not starting with single-payer in the first place and standing his ground. Granted, getting something passed was better than doing nothing, but I sure don't see it working out in the end to everyone's satisfaction as long as for-profit health care with no cost control is what we get.
