Report: Former Natalee Holloway Suspect Sought in Murder in Peru
Published June 02, 2010
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The Dutch man who was the main suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway is being sought in the murder of a woman in Peru, Thaindian News reported Wednesday.
Joran Van der Sloot, 22, is suspected of murdering Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramirez, in Peru. Ramirez's body was found with multiple stab wounds on May 26.
According to Ramirez's friends, the 21-year-old was reportedly last seen leaving a Lima, Peru, casino with Van der Sloot at 5:16 a.m. local time.
Van der Sloot is now believed to be in Chile, according to police.
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glad they addressed this fully the first time
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glad they addressed this fully the first time
Uhm yea.
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well my hope is they reopen the case in Aruba, convict him and exdradite him there. he spends 20 - 30 years in jail there. then once released they send him back to Peru to serve out his 35 years. once released \"IF\" still alive they send him to the US to serve out his sentence on the extortion charges with the Holloway family and put him in a US prison for another 15-20 years.
oh and I wouldn't be the least bit upset if he became Billy Bob's unwilling girlfriend while there.
oh and I wouldn't be the least bit upset if he became Billy Bob's unwilling girlfriend while there.
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Glad the FBI was on the ball:
Federal agents trying to build an extortion case against Joran van der Sloot secretly gave him the cash that wound up funding his trip to Peru, where he killed a young woman exactly five years after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, The Post has learned.
Van der Sloot tried to shake down Holloway's mother by offering information about her daughter's 2005 disappearance, and agents decided to set him up with a $25,000 payoff, a source told The Post yesterday. \"
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/internatio ... MPmKeAwrfL
Federal agents trying to build an extortion case against Joran van der Sloot secretly gave him the cash that wound up funding his trip to Peru, where he killed a young woman exactly five years after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, The Post has learned.
Van der Sloot tried to shake down Holloway's mother by offering information about her daughter's 2005 disappearance, and agents decided to set him up with a $25,000 payoff, a source told The Post yesterday. \"
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/internatio ... MPmKeAwrfL
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Well Goob, regaredless of punishment (pick your most horrible) she still remains dead. Nothing will recitfy that loss (I know you know that). Still, you are right. 35 years seems kinda light.Gooberman wrote:I just can't believe the punishment for taking someones life...someone who will never leave their coffin, is capped at 35 years in that country.
I fully get that after 35 years he will be a different man, but I also get that that poor girl will still be dead.
Ya know, we have a guy at work that grew up in Peru. I'll talk to him and see what prisons are like and if he has anything to add.
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Well we could always hope that the reason that they made it a 35 year Max sentence, was the that nobody has ever survived past 20 years 
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I think considering the crime 35 years is not enough. as Goob pointed out those young women will never see those 35 years that Van der slut willSpidey wrote:I don’t really care what they do to that guy, but if you think 35 years in a cell is “light” there is something wrong with your perception of time.
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Maybe you all should do a Google on conditions of prisons in Peru. It may just well be a life sentence for the Murderer. They are not like prisons in the states where they get to go to school to become a well educated murderer or get a meal on a regular basis or access to health care. Tuberculosis and HIV/AIDS and others are at near-epidemic levels. May he find his time there cut short as the lives he had taken.
Eye for an eye…how Biblical.
So if a guy rapes once , he should be raped once?
The objective in a modern society should be justice, not revenge, pay backs or some 2000 years out of date system.
And, if you consider what might be best for society…we might all belong in jail.
Anyway, my comment wasn’t about the punishment fitting the crime in this case (didn’t bother to inform myself about this case…tired of these kinds of things) my comment was purely on the time frame being “light”. It may not fit this crime…but is in no way “light”.
So if a guy rapes once , he should be raped once?
The objective in a modern society should be justice, not revenge, pay backs or some 2000 years out of date system.
And, if you consider what might be best for society…we might all belong in jail.
Anyway, my comment wasn’t about the punishment fitting the crime in this case (didn’t bother to inform myself about this case…tired of these kinds of things) my comment was purely on the time frame being “light”. It may not fit this crime…but is in no way “light”.
Dude cmon. Wasn't anything biblical in that statement, your responding in the wrong thread. No to me it makes perfect sense. That's why I didn't phrase it that way.
Since we were talking about murder that's what I was responding to. If someone murders someone they should be put to death in my opinion. Not by any individuals, but by the government, which is exactly why we have government. The only reason we need a government is to punish wrongdoers. If everyone loved each other then we wouldn't need laws would we?
Speaking specifically about murder. It makes sense that if someone kills another in the manner that these 2 women were killed, that the penalty should be death too. Not for revenge, but to keep society honest and safe.
Of course we are all guilty of something, but most of these crimes do the most damage to ourselves. When your lawlessness bleeds over into others lives and causes pain and destruction, then you HAVE to be dealt with. And since this is lawlessness, nothing is gonna be perfect in how it is dealt with. It all becomes a compromise and the lesser of 2 evils with nothing being ideal. That's why arguments like these are never resolved and are always ongoing. There's no good way because, frankly, people just shouldn't kill other people, yet, if you KNEW it was gonna be your life you paid for then maybe you would think it through more. I dunno.
It's a harsh punishment for harsh people in harsh times. Just my opinion, because like I've said before I feel it falls squarely on the governments shoulders to punish and I as a individual to love and forgive. It's a balancing act of course, because just like everyone else here we are on the outside looking in. It's gonna be ALOT MORE DIFFICULT for these 2 girls families to be individuals in these matters and one way I think they will be able to continue on in their lives is if they feel they have some kind of justice in the matter. Which the government should bring about for them. I feel that God shows mercy to the mercy and forgives those that forgive. We reap what we sow. I have no compassion or pity for murderers, but we as a people should also not be burdened to bring about vengeance ourselves, but corporately so that it becomes no one individuals burden.
Since we were talking about murder that's what I was responding to. If someone murders someone they should be put to death in my opinion. Not by any individuals, but by the government, which is exactly why we have government. The only reason we need a government is to punish wrongdoers. If everyone loved each other then we wouldn't need laws would we?
Speaking specifically about murder. It makes sense that if someone kills another in the manner that these 2 women were killed, that the penalty should be death too. Not for revenge, but to keep society honest and safe.
Of course we are all guilty of something, but most of these crimes do the most damage to ourselves. When your lawlessness bleeds over into others lives and causes pain and destruction, then you HAVE to be dealt with. And since this is lawlessness, nothing is gonna be perfect in how it is dealt with. It all becomes a compromise and the lesser of 2 evils with nothing being ideal. That's why arguments like these are never resolved and are always ongoing. There's no good way because, frankly, people just shouldn't kill other people, yet, if you KNEW it was gonna be your life you paid for then maybe you would think it through more. I dunno.
It's a harsh punishment for harsh people in harsh times. Just my opinion, because like I've said before I feel it falls squarely on the governments shoulders to punish and I as a individual to love and forgive. It's a balancing act of course, because just like everyone else here we are on the outside looking in. It's gonna be ALOT MORE DIFFICULT for these 2 girls families to be individuals in these matters and one way I think they will be able to continue on in their lives is if they feel they have some kind of justice in the matter. Which the government should bring about for them. I feel that God shows mercy to the mercy and forgives those that forgive. We reap what we sow. I have no compassion or pity for murderers, but we as a people should also not be burdened to bring about vengeance ourselves, but corporately so that it becomes no one individuals burden.
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who's definition of Justice????Spidey wrote:The objective in a modern society should be justice,
I venture to say, he'd probably think twice about doing it againSo if a guy rapes once , he should be raped once?
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I don't support the death penalty, but I am a in-favor of not readmitting people to society for murder and any sex crime involving a child.
Yes, part of it is the justice/revenge factor, I'm not going to pretend there is a vast differences between the two in my mind, but the main part is simply protecting others.
After 35-years justice/revenge will be irrelivent, but this man still has something inside him that none of us should try and identify with.
Yes, part of it is the justice/revenge factor, I'm not going to pretend there is a vast differences between the two in my mind, but the main part is simply protecting others.
After 35-years justice/revenge will be irrelivent, but this man still has something inside him that none of us should try and identify with.
My concern is for the victims state of mind and not for the murderer. If the murderer faces death for his crime then he must repent or die in his sins. That decision lies with God then, but the families must also forgive to be forgiven themselves. If they feel they have dealt with unjustly it will be real hard for them to forgive and move on themselves. The focus should be on the victims lives and their ability to move on and have a productive life in light of the tragedy.
The murderer took his own life and the ones he murdered into his own hands. The blood then is therefore on his own hands too.
The murderer took his own life and the ones he murdered into his own hands. The blood then is therefore on his own hands too.
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Joran van der Sloot says he knows where Natalee Holloway is buried.
http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/van ... tigat.html
http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/van ... tigat.html
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well I would hope so. since he was the one that killed herHeretic wrote:Joran van der Sloot says he knows where Natalee Holloway is buried.
http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/van ... tigat.html
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