State of Affairs

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sat May 22, 2010 8:14 am

In the BP thread some of our esteemed colleges were pointing out the evils of the GOP. All well and good. It is now time to look at what the Dems are doing with Obama The Just in charge. Charles Krauthammer wrote a interesting article in the Washington Post, the highlights of which are:

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\"The real news is that already notorious photo: the president of Brazil, our largest ally in Latin America, and the prime minister of Turkey, for more than half a century the Muslim anchor of NATO, raising hands together with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the most virulently anti-American leader in the world.

That picture -- a defiant, triumphant take-that-Uncle-Sam -- is a crushing verdict on the Obama foreign policy. It demonstrates how rising powers, traditional American allies, having watched this administration in action, have decided that there's no cost in lining up with America's enemies and no profit in lining up with a U.S. president given to apologies and appeasement.

They've watched President Obama's humiliating attempts to appease Iran, as every rejected overture is met with abjectly renewed U.S. negotiating offers. American acquiescence reached such a point that the president was late, hesitant and flaccid in expressing even rhetorical support for democracy demonstrators who were being brutally suppressed and whose call for regime change offered the potential for the most significant U.S. strategic advance in the region in 30 year

They've watched America acquiesce to Russia's re-exerting sway over Eastern Europe, over Ukraine (pressured by Russia last month into extending for 25 years its lease of the Black Sea naval base at Sevastopol) and over Georgia (Russia's de facto annexation of Abkhazia and South Ossetia is no longer an issue under the Obama \"reset\" policy).

They've watched our appeasement of Syria, Iran's agent in the Arab Levant -- sending our ambassador back to Syria even as it tightens its grip on Lebanon, supplies Hezbollah with Scuds and intensifies its role as the pivot of the Iran-Hezbollah-Hamas alliance. The price for this ostentatious flouting of the United States and its interests? Ever more eager U.S. \"engagement.\"

They've observed the administration's gratuitous slap at Britain over the Falklands, its contemptuous treatment of Israel, its undercutting of the Czech Republic and Poland, and its indifference to Lebanon and Georgia. And in Latin America, they see not just U.S. passivity as Venezuela's Hugo Chávez organizes his anti-American \"Bolivarian\" coalition while deepening military and commercial ties with Iran and Russia. They saw active U.S. support in Honduras for a pro-Chávez would-be dictator seeking unconstitutional powers in defiance of the democratic institutions of that country.

This is not just an America in decline. This is an America in retreat -- accepting, ratifying and declaring its decline, and inviting rising powers to fill the vacuum. \" end quote
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 03885.html

While the BP oil spill is significant, so was the flooding in Nashville where 33 people died yet did you see Obama flying down there to help? Sadly no as I guess the floating bodies didn't get pictures pasted in the newsprint and besides, the victims are just bible clutching, gun toting rednecks who probably were praying as the flood waters rose.

While we have Obama afraid to vilify Islamno terrorists he has no problem allowing America's police to excort union thugs to demonstrate at a home where a teenage boy sits all alone:

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\"So, let’s sum this up: A caravan of SEIU buses receive a Metropolitan (D.C.) Police Department escort to a private home in Maryland where the protesters, from all appearances, violate Montgomery County law by engaging in a stationary protest. The Montgomery County police were not informed by their cross-jurisdictional colleagues of the impending, unusually large protest pending in their jurisdiction.

What’s up with that? Had the mob decided to torch the house, the D.C. police would not have been authorized to intervene. Not their jurisdiction. They’re just escorts. Meanwhile, a teenage boy is home alone, frightened by what’s happening outside his front door.

There’s something very wrong with this picture. \"
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http://bigjournalism.com/acary/2010/05/ ... aers-home/

So under the Obama administration we now have Hizzoner placating our enemies and terrorizing our helpless citizen. To think some of you are more worried about a SCOTUS decision or more concerned who might be to blame for a oil rig accident is a sad narrative of where our values have fallen.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Sat May 22, 2010 8:34 am

Sad simple truth is Obama never wanted to be the President of the United States, he intends to break it down and rebuild it in his vision of how it should be. His plans are less thought out than Bush's invasion of Iraq. In both cases they knew they had the power to break down the enemy and in both cases they had no idea of what to do with the mess they would be left with. Bush's half cooked omelet was, at least, far away and was made from already broken eggs. Obama however has crept into our own kitchen at home and he's standing there pissing in the cornflakes and complaining that we just don't get it!

He doesn't have grasp of how to maintain any kind of position of power in the world because he has only known how to organize and agitate against power. He doesn't know how to rebuild a failing economy because he has only ever known how to strong arm and extort from the creators of success. He doesn't have the desire to see beyond his immediate tactics he just assumes if he breaks the right components things will change the way he wants them to. Well the system is bigger than he is and it will outlast his measly four years and it WILL NOT go back together the way he wants it to. It will go back together the way the big money decides to do it with the help and cover of the DNC and RNC who need that big money to maintain their place of power.

He's a simpleton with a great vocabulary, nice smile, deceitful nature and a really bad idea of what social justice is/can be/should be.

dissent · Post by **dissent** » Sat May 22, 2010 9:47 am

All I can say is, I'm glad I wasn't eating corn flakes while I read Will's post.

You sir, have a knack for that certain turn of phrase. Bravo.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 7:45 am

To take a further look at Obama's leadership abilities we must turn to look at how he is handling the oil spill. After dawdling for close to a month, Obama finally takes the situation firmly by the horns and does what? Send the corp of engineers down there? Direct the navy to help clean up? Why no, he sends his best \"tool\" down there...one Eric Holder. Who promptly tells the world that they will be using all sorts of lawsuits to punish BP. I'm sure the far left anti-corporate afficiendo's were thrilled no end. Just as promptly BP's stock now dived 30+%. So tell me Obama, who will you sue if BP goes bankrupt?

To further enhance his leadership qualities, Obama also but a moratorium on deep water drilling. So what happens to the 30 some deep water platforms? Why the oil companies will move them to another part of the world and of course, the jobs they provide for people in the gulf area. Someone remind if Obama said at one time that jobs and the economy were his number one goal.

Obama is looking more and more a Jimmy \"Lusty\" Carter type president. Some of you may remember it was Carter who ignored the Shah of Irans plead for aid when the extremist Muslim were taking over Iran. It was Carter who didn't view the Iran embassy hostage taking as nothing more than something that should be \"negotiated\" even though a attack on a nations embassy is a act of war.

So too is it now with Israel. Obama is turning his back on a staunch ally in favor of appeasing terrorist and thinking he can \"negotiate\" with them. As a result we have the latest ship running blockade incident. Much like Carter, Obama fails to understand the consequences of appearing weak. Has Hizzoner ever wondered what happens if Israel gets pushed too far? If Israel pushes the nuke button and radiation clouds drift around the world, what will Obama do then? I suspect he will send Holder to what ever is left of the middle east to tell them how we will be suing them for the environmental damage.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:08 am

To further exacerbate Isaels actions as somehow evil:

\"THE WEEKLY STANDARD has learned that senior Obama administration officials have been telling foreign governments that the administration intends to support an effort next week at the United Nations to set up an independent commission, under UN auspices, to investigate Israel's behavior in the Gaza flotilla incident. The White House has apparently shrugged off concerns from elsewhere in the U.S. government that a) this is an extraordinary singling out of Israel, since all kinds of much worse incidents happen around the world without spurring UN investigations; b) that the investigation will be one-sided, focusing entirely on Israeli behavior and not on Turkey or on Hamas; and c) that this sets a terrible precedent for outside investigations of incidents involving U.S. troops or intelligence operatives as we conduct our own war on terror.\"

http://weeklystandard.com/blogs/sources ... -next-week

Does the moron in charge have any clue as to how this will affect terrorists shipping arms into countries we hold as terrorists? How will this affect any UN embargo against Iran? Anyone remember when we stopped Iraq ships in international waters for \"inspections\"? I guess any and all inspections will be deemed illegal. I wonder how (or even if) the world will condemn Iran when they get a nuke and plop it smack dab in the middle of Tel Aviv. I guess Obama's response will be to sic Holder on Iran and sue them for any and all environmental damage.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:32 pm

If he does this, the way it is alleged, he is truly the worst president we've ever had and is probably much more dangerous than even the tin foil hat wackos thought!

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:06 am

It would appear my views on Obama are shared by no less than the heavy weights at MSNBC. With these guys turning on him, Obama will be history in 2012:

Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann and Howard Fineman react to President Obama's Oval Office Address on the oil spill. Here are the highlights of what the trio said:

Olbermann: \"It was a great speech if you were on another planet for the last 57 days.\"

Matthews compared Obama to Carter.

Olbermann: \"Nothing specific at all was said.\"

Matthews: \"No direction.\"

Howard Fineman: \"He wasn't specific enough.\"

Olbermann: \"I don't think he aimed low, I don't think he aimed at all. It's startling.\"

Howard Fineman: Obama should be acting like a \"commander-in-chief.\"

Matthews: Ludicrous that he keeps saying [Secretary of Energy] Chu has a Nobel prize. \"I'll barf if he does it one more time.\"

Matthews: \"A lot of meritocracy, a lot of blue ribbon talk.\"

Matthews: \"I don't sense executive command.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... mmand.html

I wonder if Matthews is still getting erotic pulses up his leg?

dissent · Post by **dissent** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:46 am

Is hell freezing over ???

I agree with their assessment of O's speech.
(Though probably not for the same reasons)

This assessment was interesting. And the Crist pic (and caption) was priceless.

TechPro · Post by **TechPro** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:02 pm

dissent wrote:This assessment was interesting. And the Crist pic (and caption) was priceless.

Wonder if he found any oil there?

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:13 pm

maybe he was looking to apply some oil

AlphaDoG · Post by **AlphaDoG** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:12 pm

Mind, Gutter!

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:18 pm

AlphaDoG wrote:Mind, Gutter!

who me

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:19 pm

We all have heard that Obama was going to bring racial harmony to the country. It would seem that racial discrimination is alive and well at the DOJ:

\"In emotional and personal testimony, an ex-Justice official who quit over the handling of a voter intimidation case against the New Black Panther Party accused his former employer of instructing attorneys in the civil rights division to ignore cases that involve black defendants and white victims.

J. Christian Adams, testifying Tuesday before the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, said that \"over and over and over again,\" the department showed \"hostility\" toward those cases. He described the Black Panther case as one example of that -- he defended the legitimacy of the suit and said his \"blood boiled\" when he heard a Justice official claim the case wasn't solid. \"

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07 ... ther-case/

So under Obama \"The Just\", black on white discrimination is just peachy, but of course the reverse is not. Curious how things work out when good clean well spoken blacks take charge.

Bet51987 · Post by **Bet51987** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:56 pm

Heretic · Post by **Heretic** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 9:30 am

The man they let off.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 9:51 am

I wonder what kind of attention I would get if I stood with a bull horn and yelled, \"Kill the niggers, kill their black babies\" on a crowded mixed racial city street? Do you think Holder would not charge me if I then went to a polling station dressed in neo-nazis attire and carried a club in hand while I blocked the door?

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 9:57 am

Heretic wrote:The man they let off.

Seems like a fine upstanding citizen.... if you want to live in Obama's reparations revolution.

Now let some white boy talk about that kind of thing and see if the hate crime police don't swoop down on him with no restraints from the Obama administration.

Obama is a militant black man with a grudge against white america, that is his focus and he's never wanted to spend time on any other part of his job that isn't related to evening the social scale as he sees fit.

He's a lot like the guy in the video only he's much more savvy in the public relations part of his mission. In spite of that understanding though he's on the verge of having all that white guilt that put him power turn into white people offended at the implied accusation that we deserve that kind of persecution. The sentiment manipulation game is a fickle horse to saddle and simple math tells me that if he pushes it to the end the black people will suffer big time because white people have the numbers and the money advantage.
We could see not only the great depression II but Jim Crow II at the same time and as the pendulum swings back the other way a white counterpart to Obama elected to the Whitehouse (emphasis on the 'white' part)

The mean streak in me hopes he does it because when frustrated by an arrogant thug it's rewarding to stomp his head into the sand...I know it's ugly but the truth is the truth.
The humanist in me wishes he would wake up and develop some noble character and borrow some wisdom. He needs to study history and recognize the contrast between Dr. King and Malcom X.

One thing is certain, our lack of hands on participation in the political process has given us this system run by assholes who don't care about their neighbors and the leaders they appoint represent those assholes quite well.

flip · Post by **flip** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:46 am

Well I'd like to comment on this. I'm not racial in no sense of the word. I don't feel like you can believe in God and be a racist, who made us all. But I have noticed that in my dealings with blacks, trying to be kind and friendly to them, that a great majority of them reject it just on the basis that I'm white. But let me say this concerning that fellow in the film, the so-called \"black panther\". Go ahead and bring that kinda hate to my doorstep and threaten my wife and kids. Then you will see one hard core SOB LIKE YOU'VE NEVER MET IN YOUR LIFE. I'd have no qualms putting 2 shotgun blasts, one in your head and one in your chest. I don't think that the black community realizes just how many of us there are, who try to live in peace with all men, but when pushed like that, will come at you with full resolve. COME GET SOME.

AlphaDoG · Post by **AlphaDoG** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:02 pm

woodchip wrote:I wonder what kind of attention I would get if I stood with a bull horn and yelled, "Kill the niggers, kill their black babies" on a crowded mixed racial city street? Do you think Holder would not charge me if I then went to a polling station dressed in neo-nazis attire and carried a club in hand while I blocked the door?

Lord, how about we put it this way?

I wonder what kind of attention I would get if I stood with a bull horn and yelled, "Save the Gentiles!" on a crowded mixed Judean city street? Do you think Herod would not charge me if I then went to a synagogue dressed in Muslim attire and carried a sword in hand while I blocked the door?

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Thu Jul 08, 2010 6:45 am

AlphaDoG wrote:..

...Do you think Herod would not charge me if I then went to a synagogue dressed in Muslim attire and carried a sword in hand while I blocked the door?

I don't know, is Herod a democrat and are you a member of a coddled group of voters who tend to vote exclusively for democrats?

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:43 am

The latest utterance by our gifted orator once again shows the monumental incompetance of Obama. That he believes some of the Israeli people dislike him due to his middle name being \"Hussein\", makes one wonder at his sanity. Mr Obama, maybe you should learn not to walk out and leave a head of state just so you can go feed your face. Maybe you shouldn't be giving 400 million to Israels enemies:

\"In violation of Federal Law, recently affirmed by the Supreme Court, the President announced he was sending $400 Million to the Islamic Terrorist Organization, HAMAS(June 9).\"

So Mr Obama, please stop being the epitome of the \"Me ME ME\" generation and learn what the word \"class\" means

flip · Post by **flip** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:22 am

HAHA all you dummies voted a closet muslim into office. I'm surprised he gave 400 million directly to HAMAS though, I figured he was gonna funnel it through NASA or something. I can't believe how gullible people are, or maybe more correctly, \"overly hopeful to the point of stupidity\". Obama is as much a christian as Bush was from Crawford Texas. He was \"raised\" muslim but then conveniently \"converted\" to christianity. Heres the kicker though. I've seen the inside of his \"christian\" church and heard the sermons with my own ears. Just replace \"the white man\" with the word \"infidel\" and it sounds exactly like what I hear from muslim extremists. EXTREME. Obama sat in who knows how many of those kinda sermons and said \"amen brother\". I mean cmon, if you didn't agree with some nut screaming and hollering and making outrageous comments, would you sit and listen to him? I've went to churches where the preacher was hollering and carrying on, and for the most part I even agreed with what he said, but since their delivery was so dang loud and \"animated\" I'd get up and leave half way through. Nobody listens to a loud rant for too long unless they are ones to rant themselves.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:59 am

During the health care debate, Obama and the party of yes all said that there was no taxation involved and no new taxes were involved....even though each and every American would have to get coverage or be fined. So how does the Obama administration present it's case when challenged in court?:

WASHINGTON — When Congress required most Americans to obtain health insurance or pay a penalty, Democrats denied that they were creating a new tax. But in court, the Obama administration and its allies now defend the requirement as an exercise of the government’s “power to lay and collect taxes.”

\"And that power, they say, is even more sweeping than the federal power to regulate interstate commerce.

Administration officials say the tax argument is a linchpin of their legal case in defense of the health care overhaul and its individual mandate, now being challenged in court by more than 20 states and several private organizations. \"

So there you have it folks. When Obama wants something he will look you in the eye and lie like a sumbiatch.

Oh and just for you Techpro:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/18/healt ... /mg/WcpYZw

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:14 am

My family of four is covered under a policy I bought about five years ago that pays for NOTHING until I spend over $5000 out of my own pocket on health care in the same year, then they pay for everything after that (up to the limit of 2 million or something like that). It cost about $4800 per year.

Now five years later that same policy, which we have never had any claim on (nor have we had any history of medical problems) costs $10,000 per year and the deductible is over $6000 per year before they will pay anything.

So as much as I don't like Obama screwing up our system I hope he breaks the insurance/healthcare system completely in half and chops up the pieces!

With any luck the repairs to the system once he's gone will result in something I can afford because as it stands right now I'm not sure I can afford to be paying $10,000 per year but as a father of two young girls I don't dare leave us exposed to potential financial ruin if one of us develops some million dollar disease.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:28 pm

I don’t think that is going to happen, because contrary to popular belief, the insurance industry actually supports the “reform”. In 5 years your premimum will be 15,000 and the deductable will be 10,000.

What's going to get broke…is how your employer supplies your insurance. (and the bank, of course)

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:33 pm

Spidey wrote:I don’t think that is going to happen, because contrary to popular belief, the insurance industry actually supports the “reform”. In 5 years your premimum will be 15,000 and the deductable will be 10,000.

What's going to get broke…is how your employer supplies your insurance. (and the bank, of course)

I'm self employed so Obama is screwing me front and back!
In addition to the lack of affordable health care that he isn't going to fix he considers me "rich" since I'm a sole proprietor my "income" is judged on sales not net profit so even though I take home under the thresh hold of "rich" my gross profit is above that mark so I'm going to be taxed much higher than some one earning the same net income from an employer.

I guess I should be setting up an LLC to pay myself a mere pittance of official salary and 'reinvesting' in the 'company' to hide my income like all those bastards like Clinton, Pelosi and Obama do. Which proves raising taxes too high ultimately stifles growth and revenue....
If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!

Bet51987 · Post by **Bet51987** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:56 pm

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:02 pm

You mean they spent 150 mil, to make sure they got what they wanted in the bill.

1. The elimination of the public option.
2. The individual mandate.

Cuda68 · Post by **Cuda68** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:14 pm

Yea, and thats why insurance companys are doubling the premium paid by employers and the DEMS are losing control of the house to the Republicans - strike three and he is outa there.
Come December we all get a 4% federal tax increase to start paying for this insurance along with the corp tax breaks coming to an end. Then state and local tax will need to go up to cover the medical coverage for the police and fireman and all those darn state employees. Suck it up people, next year is going to be very painful.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:52 am

So when the employers stop supplying health care and the premiums are too expensive for a normal family to afford, just what do you think will happen as health insurance companies are faced with a shrinking pool of members? In the end the govt will supply the health care and the liberal dream of socialized medicine will become a reality. Of course, as more and more people are forced into the govt. plan, we will see either taxes increase or the quality of service will plummet. More than likey you will see both happen. Look for govt. hospitals to open where you will find:

Waiting lines

Bed sheets being washed weekly...whether they need washing or not

Needles being re-used

Patient wards where 40 ill people are crammed into one room

Medical waste piling up in hallways

Quality of staff being positively Byzantine due to low wages paid

And I bet you think I'm kidding

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:07 am

Bet51987 wrote:...

Will Robinson wrote:.... to hide my income like all those bastards like Clinton, Pelosi and Obama do. Which proves raising taxes too high ultimately stifles growth and revenue....
If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!
And the Bush's and Cheney's. Just to be fair.

Bee

Fair enough except Bush and Cheney didn't tell me I wouldn't have my taxes raised but then raise them in spite of that promise....
If my health insurance costs stay this high AND I get hit with the higher 'rich person' taxes I will be screwed!

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:08 am

Finally Obama is showing some true leadership:

\"WASHINGTON — As lunch was served in the Roosevelt Room of the White House one day last week, President Obama assured the nine Democratic members of Congress sitting around the table that he would do anything he could to help them survive their fall elections.

Even, he said, if it meant staying away. \"

null0010 · Post by **null0010** » Sun Aug 01, 2010 3:23 pm

Will Robinson wrote:
Bet51987 wrote:...

Will Robinson wrote:.... to hide my income like all those bastards like Clinton, Pelosi and Obama do. Which proves raising taxes too high ultimately stifles growth and revenue....
If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!
And the Bush's and Cheney's. Just to be fair.

Bee
Fair enough except Bush and Cheney didn't tell me I wouldn't have my taxes raised but then raise them in spite of that promise....
If my health insurance costs stay this high AND I get hit with the higher 'rich person' taxes I will be screwed!

I highly doubt you're in the top income brackets in the United States.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Sun Aug 01, 2010 4:37 pm

you do realize that MANY small business owners do fall into this category because of how they file their taxes. a majority of them file taxes as individuals and not Corporations. therefore the Bush Tax cut repeal will affect them and the job market. you don't have to be \"rich\" for this tax to affect you

null0010 · Post by **null0010** » Sun Aug 01, 2010 8:39 pm

CUDA wrote:you do realize that MANY small business owners do fall into this category because of how they file their taxes. a majority of them file taxes as individuals and not Corporations. therefore the Bush Tax cut repeal will affect them and the job market. you don't have to be "rich" for this tax to affect you

perhaps they should stop doing that then

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:42 pm

funny

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:03 am

With Obama's head long rush to have the feds control the business of America, it may behoove him to see what a socialist country 90 miles south is doing:

\"President Raul Castro expanded self-employment fields on Sunday, ahead of looming government plans to slash as many as one million jobs -- 20 percent of communist Cuba's work force -- from state payrolls.

The economy, 95 percent of which is currently in state hands, does not have the ability to absorb such vast numbers of jobless. Castro's move aims to try to reduce the socioeconomic fallout, but it will be an uphill battle.

After the crash of the former Soviet bloc, Cuba's cash-strapped government in the 1990s approved a wide range of self-employment. Positions such as beauticians, dog groomers, small restaurant owners and even lighter refillers were legalized as long as workers got licenses and paid taxes.

But social resentment emerged as an issue when some workers, particularly in small private restaurants, achieved dramatic levels of success.

The government began increasing taxation and regulation, and decreasing license-granting, until the self-employed sector was largely rendered paralyzed, like the rest of the economy. \"

As 2012 approaches and feckless leader comes closer to job termination, I wonder if he will do a Clinton and steer his agenda to the center or will he remain true to his Alinski hero and Rev Wright mentor, continuing with a screw America first policy.

null0010 · Post by **null0010** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:49 am

woodchip wrote:and even lighter refillers

First, that's just funny.

woodchip wrote:As 2012 approaches and feckless leader comes closer to job termination, I wonder if he will do a Clinton and steer his agenda to the center

Second, Obama is right of center. From 2008:

The only person from the 2008 primary more centrist than Obama was Edwards. Of course, after the primary, you may have noticed that Obama and McCain retreated towards the center of American politics, with Obama forgetting that he wanted to leave Iraq "immediately" and McCain suddenly claiming he wasn't willing to stay there "for a hundred years" anymore, making Obama's views... even more right-wing.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:12 am

null0010 wrote:Second, Obama is right of center. From 2008:

one thing SCOREBOARD

Look at Obama's voting record, he is HARD left. what he says on the Campaign trail are just words and has no bearing on where the man actually stands on Issues. his voting record is the true measure of the man

null0010 · Post by **null0010** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:33 am

CUDA wrote:
null0010 wrote:Second, Obama is right of center. From 2008:
one thing SCOREBOARD

Look at Obama's voting record, he is HARD left. what he says on the Campaign trail are just words and has no bearing on where the man actually stands on Issues. his voting record is the true measure of the man

I think it would be more appropriate to look at the bills he has pushed for and signed into law as president. I would call him a moderate corporatist before I would ever call him a liberal.

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