Republicans Out in Force

[Heretic]

72.6 percent of voters in Missouri voted to not have Obama care mandate for the citizens to buy health care. A high Republican turnout may signal a swing of the pendulum back the right. Seems like this couldn't be a clearer signal that Americans don't want this peace of monstrosity. Will it matter though 72% say they don't want it but federal laws supersedes state laws.

Missouri voters don't have to say they are Republican or Democrats i bet there were some democrats who voted against Obama care no way was the turn out just Republican.

[Cuda68]

Seeing as how Republicans are by far the smaller party, I would think that's a safe bet.

[AlphaDoG]

federal laws supersedes state laws.

Supposed to be the other way around unless it is explicitly enumerated in...

....powers not granted to the federal government nor prohibited to the states by the Constitution of the United States are reserved to the states or the people.

[Will Robinson]

federal laws supersedes state laws.

Supposed to be the other way around unless it is explicitly enumerated in...

....powers not granted to the federal government nor prohibited to the states by the Constitution of the United States are reserved to the states or the people.

Exactly.

Funny how the liberals think it can't be anyones business to stop an abortion, right to privacy and all that but they have the right to force me to buy health insurance and insist it contains the coverage that they deem proper! No right to privacy there...

There is no attempt by the left to work within the law, only work around it or run right over it like a steamroller and if anyone trys to talk about it we're racist looney tea baggers!

The original tea partiers....remember them?!? All you liberals owe them bigtime, you ungrateful self absorbed little twits!

[Heretic]

All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

[AlphaDoG]

Health-care and Mandated insurance is NOT enumerated in the U.S. Constitution.

[null0010]

The original tea partiers....remember them?!? All you liberals owe them bigtime, you ungrateful self absorbed little twits!

Yeah, we owe them tea-smugglers sooo much, what with all the bad press it gave the colonists and how it pretty much didn't do anything except make Britain mad...

No, far more important was the First Continental Congress.

The healthcare reform law(s) have all been rationalized under the constitution by everyone's favorite part, the interstate commerce clause. It's valid, essentially, until the Supreme Court says otherwise. (You can bet that a case challenging this law will make it all the way to SCOTUS.)

[Spidey]

The problem is null, that it is based on a lie…that lie being that we must make all of the people cheating the system, pay their fair share.

But the fact is, the exact same people now using the ER and then not paying, are the exact same people who will be subsidized in the new system…no net gain.

The people they want in are…those who have opted out, for one reason or another, and don‘t abuse the system…like me. But, they can’t use the ICC excuse for that.

Ok, I was referring to the mandate part...Other parts of this plan are also based on lies as well.

[null0010]

I think the individual mandate is kinda meh, but without it, and with the mandate that insurance companies can not turn down service based on pre-existing conditions, the system would collapse.

I would much rather have had the medicare buy-in that was proposed near the end of the debate.

[Heretic]

The system is still going to collapse. There is no money to pay for it we just keep going further in the hole. Watch the numbers fly

[null0010]

A friend of mine (a known conspiracy theorist nutbar type) thinks the system was deliberately engineered to be weak and collapsable, so that when it did collapse, congress could point to it as a failure of the American insurance system and institute a real insurance policy.

[woodchip]

Well Null, will you now start looking at Rasmussen as the better polling company than the NYT's or the Atlantic Journal?

[Will Robinson]

A friend of mine (a known conspiracy theorist nutbar type) thinks the system was deliberately engineered to be weak and collapsable, so that when it did collapse, congress could point to it as a failure of the American insurance system and institute a real insurance policy.

I think your friend is no nut at all. That exact outcome has been touted by Harry Reid recently as the official goal of the democrat party at every campaign function he has held for the last 6 months or more! He is offering that scenario as inevitable and is pointing to it as fulfillment of their promise to create the public option.

[null0010]

Well Null, will you now start looking at Rasmussen as the better polling company than the NYT's or the Atlantic Journal?

All of those polls are just as "good" as the other. I said before you have to look at a number of polls, some right-leaning and some left-leaning, in order to really get a feel for what people think.