911 Coverage

[Gooberman]

So have you watched any? I was in class in 2001 when it happened, and while I have seen clips of the towers falling, the real time run through was quite difficult to watch. MSNBC was replaying it as it happened live, and it was several minutes after it fell before they even realized it, due to the incredible amount of smoke/debris.

So, what are you doing today, if anything? Do you think after 9 years the coverage is a bit excessive, not enough, etc? Should they still be showing the footage so frequently, which undoubtadly hurts many Americans to watch? Or is it nessesary?

[Will Robinson]

I'm not watching it, I have work to do and stuff around the house to do but I'll watch some of it on late night cable no doubt.
I'm much more troubled by the decision of our media to NOT play much of the footage over the last 9 years for socio-political reasons than running any coverage now they decide is good for 'us' (read: their ratings)!

[null0010]

Personally, I think we need to get over it and stop obsessing about it. I'm tired of hearing stories of how tragic and sad it was that 3,000 Americans died in one day. It's so self-centered; every day, almost 16,000 children die from hunger-related causes and most don't bat an eyelash. It almost enrages me to hear these people on TV and the radio going on and on with the same tired story every year about the horrific misfortunes and tribulations facing the United States of America.

[AlphaDoG]

Personally I think they need to show it everyday until Bin Laden is caught or killed.

[Isaac]

Personally I think they need to show it everyday until Bin Laden is caught or killed.

..and his group of proud idiots.

[Top Gun]

Personally, I think we need to get over it and stop obsessing about it. I'm tired of hearing stories of how tragic and sad it was that 3,000 Americans died in one day. It's so self-centered; every day, almost 16,000 children die from hunger-related causes and most don't bat an eyelash. It almost enrages me to hear these people on TV and the radio going on and on with the same tired story every year about the horrific misfortunes and tribulations facing the United States of America.

Without trying to downplay how horrific what happened nine years ago today was, I sort of agree with this sentiment. One has to wonder if those who did die that day would rather us concern ourselves with problems that still exist in today's world, like the easily-preventable deaths of so many from hunger, instead of keeping our eyes locked on the past. Even deaths that are publicized don't elicit that sort of response for us...most weeks, there's a report from Iraq or Afghanistan stating that several dozen civilians were killed by suicide bombers or IEDs, and no one really seems to bat an eye. I know that an attack on our own soil obviously has far more immediacy to us, but there's also a bigger picture that we shouldn't blind ourselves to.

And to answer the initial question, I don't really have any desire to watch that sort of coverage today. I saw those scenes as they were happening, so I don't feel like I need to relive them today.

[CUDA]

agreed that we need to solve the Hunger problem, and yes children and people die ever day. in many cases it is not preventable, in many cases it is. the WTC destruction was.

\"Those that forget their past are doomed to repeat it.\"

we have brushed off too many terrorist attacks in the past with little or no action in return. and what did it get us?? 9/11 if he do the same with this, someday we will get something far worse.

[Spidey]

Never Forget

[Tunnelcat]

Oh, the traumatized New York-based media personalities will NEVER let us forget, EVER. Kiss your favorite network programming goodbye every Sept. 11 for the next 20 years! Look out next year especially, it'll be the 10 year anniversary!

[null0010]

Never Forget

this is the most insipid meaningless worthless thing anyone can ever say about September 11th, or any other day

it's like sending a Christmas card with no message inside other than the one that was printed on it by the manufacturer

[Will Robinson]

...every day, almost 16,000 children die from hunger-related causes...

Ok, someone has to do it and I'm proud to be the one who did it here today...
Sam had the answer way back when...

[null0010]

...every day, almost 16,000 children die from hunger-related causes...

Ok, someone has to do it and I'm proud to be the one who did it here today...
Sam had the answer way back when...

[Will Robinson]

OK, Null don't laugh. Sorry I sidetracked your attempt to rise above insipid....with your beauty pageant contestant appeal to cure world hunger....

Here you go, right on topic for you:
Multi tasking.
We can have concern for a world wide militant faction spreading its violence like a plague trying to kill us and at the same time we'll tackle your world hunger project and have a laugh or two while we're at it.
Tell me, since I'm late to the hunger party, what have you been doing to feed the world besides bringing the topic up like a token badge of compassion today on this forum? I'll join you.

[Heretic]

Ask him no questions and he'll tell you no lies.

[null0010]

What have you done to counter international terrorism?

As for me, I donate money to hunger organizations whenever I can spare the money.

[Heretic]

What have you done to counter international terrorism?

As for me, I donate money to hunger organizations whenever I can spare the money.

The worst thing you can do is give money to those places. Don't you know the keep most of the money for themselves? You would help the hungry more by going down to the local soup kitchen and giving them can goods and the like. Even helping to dish out the food is better then giving money to some organization.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/ ... s0503.html

http://philanthropy.com/article/Fund-Ra ... eep/57130/

[Spidey]

Lol null…

One word….

Context.

If you want me to explain, just let me know.

[AlphaDoG]

[Avder]

I think we need to get over it simply for the fact that it would prevent the media from making an annual circus out of it as they have.

If perl harbor had happened in the CNN-Faux-News-M$NBC age, it would have been made into a similar yearly circus. There is no news outlet that aims to inform, they all aim to entertain, which severely diminishes the value of news coverage.

[Spidey]

Why are we in Afghanistan again, I seem to have forgotten? I know we are fighting for something…but, I just can’t put my finger on it.

I don’t watch mainstream media so I really don’t know what’s going on there, and if you watch it, well…you get what you deserve.

Don’t tell me to get over something that started a war, where our soldiers are still fighting and dying. There is a huge difference between getting over something, and placing it in its historical context.

If remembering 911 once a year only 9 years after the fact, is too much for you, then go watch some of those movies you illegally downloaded from the net, and leave the rest of us who care alone.

And write your congressman, maybe you can get rid of Memorial Day, and the Forth of July too…

Oh, and Top Gun…putting words in the mouths of dead people…LOLOLOL that’s pathetic, even worse than the straw man, and ad hominem arguments you use all of the time.

[Gooberman]

I'm much more troubled by the decision of our media to NOT play much of the footage over the last 9 years for socio-political reasons

Like what specifically?

The word, "emotional scar" gets thrown around easily, but I will say that most Americans have one with regard to this incident. When you say the words 911, or I see the images, I feel it.

I do remember afterwords seeing more graphic images on the Internet, of people in free fall having jumped out. I'm not sure that it *isn't* the media's job to portray the story while protecting the general public from such images. I can still recall many of those images I later found quite vividly. Yes, that is the "real life," aspect of it, but I'm not sure there is any need to show such troubling things rather then just say that they happened. (In which the news broadcasts did all report that people were jumping).

I'm tired of hearing stories of how tragic and sad it was that 3,000 Americans died in one day.

I understand the arguments about world hunger, and the "death count" being relatively small.

911 is, in my opinion, different. Americans have gone to incredible lengths to build a country where most Americans prosper, to allow for security, freedom, and rule of law. I think the majority of Americans at least have family members who have been to war, who have suffered from war, to protect us, and to protect that.

9/11 was an attack on that, it was an attack on the Country and our history. And thats why it is a bit different to me, then per-say the same 2000 or so people that will die in auto-collisions this year.

Along those lines, and why this may sound cold, when someone mentions 911 my first thoughts are not of the victims (though I certaintly do feel bad for them), my first thoughts are of those planes hitting those towers.

It made us feel vulnerable.

[Top Gun]

Oh, and Top Gun…putting words in the mouths of dead people…LOLOLOL that’s pathetic, even worse than the straw man, and ad hominem arguments you use all of the time.

o hay i googled some debate terms how cool

[Will Robinson]

I'm much more troubled by the decision of our media to NOT play much of the footage over the last 9 years for socio-political reasons

Like what specifically?..

I don't have links or details off the top of my head but I'm not just talking about the gory details like the people jumping out of the burning building. I'm talking about in the time after the attack that the elites in control decided there was too much danger in letting us see the images any more and some of it they never released.

There have been hollywood movies and TV series that were being re-run on cable with scenes that used to have the twin towers in them edited out by the network...times when the footage of the towers collapsing or the planes hitting the buildings was said to be inflammatory so it wasn't used in programming that discussed the event only a quick shot of the buildings, still standing and smoking, was allowed...

Those same networks had no trouble showing anything they could regarding Abu Grab and Guantanamo so I guess riling up the radicals in the Muslim world isn't a problem in their view but letting Americans be reminded of the hit we took is. It seems they felt showing the details of the attack was the same thing as airing pro-Bush material and they wouldn't be caught dead doing that. We had CNN and MSNBC talking heads criticizing Fox for airing "too much" of the "inflamatory footage" for example so the reasoning behind their holding back is pretty clear.

I'm sure there are some right wing blogs that have chronicled those self-censorship decisions by the media if you want to find them.

[Spidey]

Oh, and Top Gun…putting words in the mouths of dead people…LOLOLOL that’s pathetic, even worse than the straw man, and ad hominem arguments you use all of the time.

o hay i googled some debate terms how cool

What debate? That was called criticism.

[Stroodles]

Oh, and Top Gun…putting words in the mouths of dead people…LOLOLOL that’s pathetic, even worse than the straw man, and ad hominem arguments you use all of the time.

o hay i googled some debate terms how cool

He's using terms that can be found on google. Therefore, his arguement must be incorrect. Also, this must validate what you said earlier.

[Top Gun]

Well hey, mang, you tell me how I'm supposed to respond to someone cherry-picking a single sentence of mine out-of-context, misusing said sentence, and then referencing a bunch of past stuff that doesn't exist. Cause I'm kind of curious what the proper comeback is there.

[Heretic]

Well hey, mang, you tell me how I'm supposed to respond to someone cherry-picking a single sentence of mine out-of-context, misusing said sentence, and then referencing a bunch of past stuff that doesn't exist. Cause I'm kind of curious what the proper comeback is there.

What some one else is doing the same thing your do! No way.

[null0010]

i love how at least 33% of posts in this forum are about debate mechanics

and heretic, it depends on which organizations my money is going to.

Though, my original point on bringing that up was to highlight how Americans value American lives over the lives of others; tribal violence in Africa, sectarian conflict in the Middle East, children dying of hunger - these seldom get a mention on the evening news. But every year we trot out our whopping 3,000 dead bodies as if it trumps every tragedy the world has seen in recent memory.

When was the last time you heard of anyone who stopped and took a moment of silence for the people who died in that enormous tsunami in 2004? Even though it happened earlier this year, the memory of the earthquake in Haiti has faded from the collective consciousness. Many more died in these disasters than have died from acts of terrorism committed against the United States since the government started tallying that number.

[Top Gun]

Well hey, mang, you tell me how I'm supposed to respond to someone cherry-picking a single sentence of mine out-of-context, misusing said sentence, and then referencing a bunch of past stuff that doesn't exist. Cause I'm kind of curious what the proper comeback is there.

What some one else is doing the same thing your do! No way.

Hey man, haul out the citations, and then maybe we'll talk.

Oh, and listen to null. He makes good points. I was just reading an article earlier about how only a paltry 2% of the rubble generated by the Haiti earthquake has been cleared so far.

[Nightshade]

...and all the while, the singsong protestations of the \"religion of peace\" continue in the background:

Angry protesters chanting \"Death to America\" and \"Death to Christians\"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100912/ts_ ... sa_muslims

[Heretic]

Oh, and listen to null. He makes good points. I was just reading an article earlier about how only a paltry 2% of the rubble generated by the Haiti earthquake has been cleared so far.

Well as far as I can see the topic of this thread is 911 coverage not Haiti earthquake coverage.

[Top Gun]

I don't think it was soup kitchens either, yet you mentioned those on the previous page. What's your point?

[Spidey]

He was making a valid counter point, you were making an irrelevant point.

null:

If you can’t understand the difference between an event like 911, and the millions of deaths by natural causes every year…then I doubt any explaination will do any good.

Just don’t tell me to get over it, because for me 911 isn’t about the numbers…it’s about WHY.

And, stop acting like people don’t care about the other deaths.

[null0010]

null:

If you can’t understand the difference between an event like 911, and the millions of deaths by natural causes every year…then I doubt any explaination will do any good.

I've got a nigh-bottomless pit of examples, let's try Darfur, does that fit into your narrow catagory?

[Spidey]

Sorry, I did miss your example of tribal violence. But, what makes you think people don’t care about those things?

Mass Media?

[Heretic]

He was making a valid counter point, you were making an irrelevant point.

Yea what he said.

[null0010]

Sorry, I did miss your example of tribal violence. But, what makes you think people don’t care about those things?

Mass Media?

We don't have hackneyed national days of remembrance or blitzes of media information about it, and most people never give such things a second thought.

[AlphaDoG]

Sorry, I did miss your example of tribal violence. But, what makes you think people don’t care about those things?

Mass Media?

We don't have hackneyed national days of remembrance or blitzes of media information about it, and most people never give such things a second thought.

And why would they. It has no immediacy here.

[null0010]

Sorry, I did miss your example of tribal violence. But, what makes you think people don’t care about those things?

Mass Media?

We don't have hackneyed national days of remembrance or blitzes of media information about it, and most people never give such things a second thought.

And why would they. It has no immediacy here.

Immediacy? 9/11 was nine years ago.

[Will Robinson]

Sorry, I did miss your example of tribal violence. But, what makes you think people don’t care about those things?

Mass Media?

We don't have hackneyed national days of remembrance or blitzes of media information about it, and most people never give such things a second thought.

And why would they. It has no immediacy here.

Immediacy? 9/11 was nine years ago.

Yea but someone told a joke about Islam or some such nonsense and so Interpol and our own Department of Homeland Security have just issued a warning that the Muslims are going to have another murderous tantrum and we are the targets...
So, yea, a little more immediate than a perpetual wave of African famine somehow jumping the Atlantic and sweeping away my food supply.